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I have heard that many schools are not as they should be and are barely educating their students. I have even seen evidence of this myself! What do you think?
I do know of some people who never use punctuation.
I think ur being pretty general. But I guess if your asking genrally you are correct. You are not pinpointing the main problem tho: schools are lacking the ahavas Hashem nessciary for a wholesome yid. Children today are not excited about judaism and if they are its because they are getting it at home. Why do we spend so much money on tuition if they arent helping us in the process of raising our kids???
See? Bad grammar.
Most partnerships are doomed to failure when one partner takes to griping in online forums about the perceived faults of the other partner(s). Partners who respectfully address all things they feel important with the other members of the partnership will find that the partnership will either grow, or due to significant differences will dissolve the partnership.
What partnership? This is an online gripe.
Most partnerships are doomed to failure when one partner takes to griping in online forums about the perceived faults of the other partner(s). Partners who respectfully address all things they feel important with the other members of the partnership will find that the partnership will either grow, or due to significant differences will dissolve the partnership.
Now you sound like my husband.
You have a husband again?
I dunno what you’re talking about. If ur not happy with the school u chose, than u obviously made a bad choice. Why are u blaming the school on your bad decision?
Who said anything about somebody choosing a school? He said schools are bad.
One is always free to home school one’s children. It works fine if both parents are 200% committed, and have sufficient Torah and secular educations to handle all subjects. When one includes opportunity costs, it’s cheaper to use the frum schools. In all fairness, even for kids who are never home schooled, their academic success is largely a function of their parents not the schools – so if a parent is unhappy with their kid’s education, they should compalin to a mirror.
Consider that the goyim gave up their classic curriculum and replaced it with a modern one (about 150 years ago), but we are trying to keep our classic curriculum intacts (i.e. Torah) while adding a modern one, we are doing fine. Of course we are going broke and the kids are driven crazy, but that’s by design.
A school is not an educator, neither is it a babysitter.
It is a place where children are confined so they don’t get in the way. (The OP never said he was a parent. He may be a student, teacher, or person who passes a school on the way home from work.)
Oh, and by the way, you don’t choose a school nowadays. They choose you. (Sorry, Main Manager, for taking over, but you know it’s what I do.)
I think what schools should do is besides teaching what to do, they should teach them why. Obviously, the most important is because it’s what G-d said. Some people though need other reasons before they reach that level. They should explain how it helps us connect to Hashem. That way, they help them build the Ahavah, which helps them to do things with kavanah. And when talking about aveiros, mention about a disconnect, and then teshuva which connects again.
Both parents and teachers can do this
Did former Main Manager recently work in a Yeshiva, by any chance?
RebYidd asked, “You have a husband again? ”
It’s nothing new:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/is-this-muttar#post-263796
I know its nothing new, hence again.
I think the problem with schools today is that the teachers are more interested in teaching their subject and not their students. They rush to cover the curriculum and so they dont have time for questions. Even if they do accept questions, many teachers dont know how to answer. If they see the question is coming from a genuine interest, they should be willing to call someone more qualified like a rav for an answer. In general,yes, many schools need improvement.
I think schools are providing exactly what parents want. Everyone wants their son in the best yeshiva or beis yackov. that is measured by how many hours of seder or how intense the girls are driven. in the quest to be the best, everyone tries to outdo the next guy by adding another seder, another class in navi with rishonim and then like lemmings everyone tries to get into those yeshivos. when people start flocking to the few yeshivos and beis yackovs that place a strong emphasis on hashkafa, mussar and middos instead of looking for ways to further burn out talmidim and talmidos with additional “optional” sedarim, activities and research projects, all yeshivos and beis yackovs will emphasis those areas. like all providers, they are merely offering what people are asking for.
Schools are not for parents.
If you want your kid to have a good secular education then send him/her to a more modern school. I was a para at a frum yeshiva in Brooklyn for a year and the secular education was a joke. They crammed 4 subjects in basically an hour and a half. The kids weren’t event interested bc they were exhausted from the long morning Hebrew classes.
What if you’re a kid and want a good education for yourself?
| What if you’re a kid and want a good education for yourself?
That’s easy. Drop out of school and spend all your time in the CR.
“Schools are not for parents.”
True, but the parents are the ones paying the tuition. Therefore, the schools offer what the parents want not what the kids need. In short, my previous message still stands.
In response to “What if you’re a kid and want a good education for yourself?”
Study on your own. It’s easier now than ever before. Build on what the school offers rather that feel you are limited to what the school offers.
yeah! schools better shape up! they are morbidly obese! they need a diet or they will be a bad example for our children!!!
Schools have a rule nowadays. No learning in middle of class.
Makes sense, considering all the learning that goes on during davening.
@Main Manager,
we are? I had no idea.
@kfb,are you insinuating that modern schools don’t teach enough Jewish subjects?
I wasnt.
In general, I think schools are doing a less than stellar job. Children need to develop rudimentary skills to see them through their adulthood. Basic reading, writing, and mathematics are crucial for whatever they will be doing in the future, even if it is “only” running a household and raising a family.
When I see certain types of spelling and/or grammatical errors (and I am not immune to making them myself), it makes me cringe. More than that, when I hear a teacher speak with poor grammar or lack of good enunciation, it REALLY makes me cringe. There was a time when a teacher of any subject not just language arts, could not be hired without passing elocution tests. Though I applaud teacher creativity and enthusiasm, there is certainly something to be said about articulate presentation of subject matter. At least, this grumpy old lady thinks so.
Finding wrongs where there aren’t any? School is a place where I was. It nearly killed me. Literally.
The cr used to be a place for logical, positive people to hang out. Now… I dunno. The fun has completely gone out of it. I know, im just a naive lil teen, trying to make the world right. But thats better than a lot of people on this thread. They’re trying to find wrongs where there aren’t any. And if there are, is typing about it going to do anything but cause a chillul Hashem?”
G-d willing when you are no longer a teen, and perhaps when you are even a seasoned adult, the CR will still be here, and you may revisit this thread with a completely different viewpoint. All teens think they can fix the world (halevai that were so). And thaty’s great, because someday, maybe you even WILL do something that will set things right, or at least a great deal better. But for now, unfortunately and unquestionably there ARE a lot of things wrong with our world and it is extremely naive to believe otherwise. And the first step to correcting so many of the wrongs, begins with a really good education, and the ability to express oneself properly and sound like a mature and intelligent person.
oomis, dont give up!
I, for one, have a hard time blaming the Jewish education system for its’ failure to successfully educate their students when the non-jewish schools aren’t doing any better.
This should obviously NOT be misconstrued as a “get out of jail card”. On the contrary, as a community we should demand the best.
but at the same time realize that “less than 30% of New York City students were proficient in math and 26% in reading” (NYDN, August 7, 2013).
I don’t blame the JEWISH education system, per se, the general ed system has dropped the ball terribly.
Oomis,
I’m not saying that there is nothing wrong with the world. All i am saying is that nothing is gained from dissecting the topic on an online forum.
I just read over my post and realized that it is complete chutzpah to those older and wiser to me. I apologize.
And what does it mean to read over a post? To be above a post while reading?
I think the high schools need to shape up, In my humble opinion when a high school accepts a girl they are taking her life in their hands. They will be a big factor if the girl goes OTD or not, or enjoys school or not or comes out with a diploma or not. And by kicking a girl out they are throwing that responsibility off, which is not responsible. At the least, they should have a valid reason to kick a girl out and help her get accepted to a place they think is better suited for her needs that the school obviously can’t fulfill.
I think the schools are too academic…it’s too hard, we need 7-9 hours of sleep, many of my friends get 3-6 hours a night cuz of work overload…
If you think school is too hard, maybe you are in the wrong school. The double curriculum for jewish schools is overwheming for many esepcially if you have a learning disability which many yeshivas are not equiped to handle
Shopping613, schools are responsible for ALL of their students. Sometimes expelling one student is the only way to preserve a proper education for the hundreds of other students they have, who may otherwise pick up bad behavior from that one student. And by the way, students also have a responsibility to the school– what do you think that thick packet of forms is for? Schools have codes of dress and conduct and if a student isn’t willing to respect that, he or she can’t expect to be allowed to stay.
They don’t always have a valid reason. Sometimes they accept a student because they want to look good, then expel that student because it was their intention in the first place.
jewishfeminist02
who exactly do you think is responsible for making such decisions and do you think they ask a rav before doing so?
“Sometimes expelling one student is the only way to preserve a proper education for the hundreds of other students they have, who may otherwise pick up bad behavior from that one student.”
usually just the schools excuse because they don’t want to deal with the student (and the students parents don’t have enough money). These are big questions which should be posed to a rav on a case by case basis.
Sometimes there IS a valid reason to throw out a girl, not just excuses for money, or just not wanting to deal with her.
But in those cases, the girl is STILL the schools responsibility, and if a big factor of her future.
How would they like it if she told everyone that was the reason she went OTD, because she was thrown out for a valid reason or not valid reason (most times it is NOT a valid reason)
In any case, the school is responsible or warning her before hand, a month at least, giving warning before that, recommending a better suited school for her needs and helping her get in to there and explaining to that school why she was thrown out and how their school has better tools for that certain girl.
No girl should be found on the street when 2 days before she was in a school and had no warning and has no where to go.
If the girl doesn’t take the recommended school(s) her first school saw as better suited for her, it is no longer their responsibility, they warned her, helped her, and they can do no more.
Anything less than that, in just plain not decent and the principal should be fired….
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