June 10, 2014 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #612983
I have heard that many schools are not as they should be and are barely educating their students. I have even seen evidence of this myself! What do you think?June 11, 2014 12:05 am at 12:05 am #1031020
I do know of some people who never use punctuation.June 11, 2014 12:11 am at 12:11 am #1031021OURtorahParticipant
I think ur being pretty general. But I guess if your asking genrally you are correct. You are not pinpointing the main problem tho: schools are lacking the ahavas Hashem nessciary for a wholesome yid. Children today are not excited about judaism and if they are its because they are getting it at home. Why do we spend so much money on tuition if they arent helping us in the process of raising our kids???June 11, 2014 12:13 am at 12:13 am #1031022
See? Bad grammar.June 11, 2014 12:23 am at 12:23 am #1031023
Most partnerships are doomed to failure when one partner takes to griping in online forums about the perceived faults of the other partner(s). Partners who respectfully address all things they feel important with the other members of the partnership will find that the partnership will either grow, or due to significant differences will dissolve the partnership.June 11, 2014 12:37 am at 12:37 am #1031024
What partnership? This is an online gripe.June 11, 2014 12:46 am at 12:46 am #1031026popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Most partnerships are doomed to failure when one partner takes to griping in online forums about the perceived faults of the other partner(s). Partners who respectfully address all things they feel important with the other members of the partnership will find that the partnership will either grow, or due to significant differences will dissolve the partnership.
Now you sound like my husband.June 11, 2014 1:20 am at 1:20 am #1031027
You have a husband again?June 11, 2014 5:20 am at 5:20 am #1031028sk8ergirlMember
I dunno what you’re talking about. If ur not happy with the school u chose, than u obviously made a bad choice. Why are u blaming the school on your bad decision?June 11, 2014 6:51 am at 6:51 am #1031029
Who said anything about somebody choosing a school? He said schools are bad.June 11, 2014 11:04 am at 11:04 am #1031030akupermaParticipant
One is always free to home school one’s children. It works fine if both parents are 200% committed, and have sufficient Torah and secular educations to handle all subjects. When one includes opportunity costs, it’s cheaper to use the frum schools. In all fairness, even for kids who are never home schooled, their academic success is largely a function of their parents not the schools – so if a parent is unhappy with their kid’s education, they should compalin to a mirror.
Consider that the goyim gave up their classic curriculum and replaced it with a modern one (about 150 years ago), but we are trying to keep our classic curriculum intacts (i.e. Torah) while adding a modern one, we are doing fine. Of course we are going broke and the kids are driven crazy, but that’s by design.June 11, 2014 11:34 am at 11:34 am #1031031squeakParticipant
A school is not an educator, neither is it a babysitter.June 11, 2014 12:27 pm at 12:27 pm #1031032
It is a place where children are confined so they don’t get in the way. (The OP never said he was a parent. He may be a student, teacher, or person who passes a school on the way home from work.)June 11, 2014 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #1031033
Oh, and by the way, you don’t choose a school nowadays. They choose you. (Sorry, Main Manager, for taking over, but you know it’s what I do.)June 11, 2014 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1031034sm29Participant
I think what schools should do is besides teaching what to do, they should teach them why. Obviously, the most important is because it’s what G-d said. Some people though need other reasons before they reach that level. They should explain how it helps us connect to Hashem. That way, they help them build the Ahavah, which helps them to do things with kavanah. And when talking about aveiros, mention about a disconnect, and then teshuva which connects again.
Both parents and teachers can do thisJune 11, 2014 10:02 pm at 10:02 pm #1031035
What I mean is that schools don’t even give a basic general education.June 11, 2014 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #1031036Little FroggieMember
Did former Main Manager recently work in a Yeshiva, by any chance?June 11, 2014 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #1031037HaLeiViParticipant
RebYidd asked, “You have a husband again? ”
It’s nothing new:June 12, 2014 12:46 am at 12:46 am #1031038
I know its nothing new, hence again.June 12, 2014 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1031039business1Participant
I think the problem with schools today is that the teachers are more interested in teaching their subject and not their students. They rush to cover the curriculum and so they dont have time for questions. Even if they do accept questions, many teachers dont know how to answer. If they see the question is coming from a genuine interest, they should be willing to call someone more qualified like a rav for an answer. In general,yes, many schools need improvement.June 12, 2014 6:47 am at 6:47 am #1031040
I think schools are providing exactly what parents want. Everyone wants their son in the best yeshiva or beis yackov. that is measured by how many hours of seder or how intense the girls are driven. in the quest to be the best, everyone tries to outdo the next guy by adding another seder, another class in navi with rishonim and then like lemmings everyone tries to get into those yeshivos. when people start flocking to the few yeshivos and beis yackovs that place a strong emphasis on hashkafa, mussar and middos instead of looking for ways to further burn out talmidim and talmidos with additional “optional” sedarim, activities and research projects, all yeshivos and beis yackovs will emphasis those areas. like all providers, they are merely offering what people are asking for.June 12, 2014 9:12 pm at 9:12 pm #1031041
Schools are not for parents.June 13, 2014 2:25 am at 2:25 am #1031042kfbParticipant
If you want your kid to have a good secular education then send him/her to a more modern school. I was a para at a frum yeshiva in Brooklyn for a year and the secular education was a joke. They crammed 4 subjects in basically an hour and a half. The kids weren’t event interested bc they were exhausted from the long morning Hebrew classes.June 13, 2014 2:28 am at 2:28 am #1031043
What if you’re a kid and want a good education for yourself?June 13, 2014 7:25 am at 7:25 am #1031044yehudayonaParticipant
| What if you’re a kid and want a good education for yourself?
That’s easy. Drop out of school and spend all your time in the CR.June 13, 2014 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #1031045
“Schools are not for parents.”
True, but the parents are the ones paying the tuition. Therefore, the schools offer what the parents want not what the kids need. In short, my previous message still stands.June 13, 2014 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1031046akupermaParticipant
In response to “What if you’re a kid and want a good education for yourself?”
Study on your own. It’s easier now than ever before. Build on what the school offers rather that feel you are limited to what the school offers.June 13, 2014 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #1031047To be or not to beMember
yeah! schools better shape up! they are morbidly obese! they need a diet or they will be a bad example for our children!!!June 15, 2014 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #1031048
Schools have a rule nowadays. No learning in middle of class.June 16, 2014 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1031049
Makes sense, considering all the learning that goes on during davening.June 17, 2014 2:51 am at 2:51 am #1031050
We are talking about secular studies.June 17, 2014 3:48 am at 3:48 am #1031051yitzchokmParticipant
we are? I had no idea.
are you insinuating that modern schools don’t teach enough Jewish subjects?June 17, 2014 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #1031052
I wasnt.June 17, 2014 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm #1031053
In general, I think schools are doing a less than stellar job. Children need to develop rudimentary skills to see them through their adulthood. Basic reading, writing, and mathematics are crucial for whatever they will be doing in the future, even if it is “only” running a household and raising a family.
When I see certain types of spelling and/or grammatical errors (and I am not immune to making them myself), it makes me cringe. More than that, when I hear a teacher speak with poor grammar or lack of good enunciation, it REALLY makes me cringe. There was a time when a teacher of any subject not just language arts, could not be hired without passing elocution tests. Though I applaud teacher creativity and enthusiasm, there is certainly something to be said about articulate presentation of subject matter. At least, this grumpy old lady thinks so.June 18, 2014 12:08 am at 12:08 am #1031055
Finding wrongs where there aren’t any? School is a place where I was. It nearly killed me. Literally.June 18, 2014 4:10 am at 4:10 am #1031057
The cr used to be a place for logical, positive people to hang out. Now… I dunno. The fun has completely gone out of it. I know, im just a naive lil teen, trying to make the world right. But thats better than a lot of people on this thread. They’re trying to find wrongs where there aren’t any. And if there are, is typing about it going to do anything but cause a chillul Hashem?”
G-d willing when you are no longer a teen, and perhaps when you are even a seasoned adult, the CR will still be here, and you may revisit this thread with a completely different viewpoint. All teens think they can fix the world (halevai that were so). And thaty’s great, because someday, maybe you even WILL do something that will set things right, or at least a great deal better. But for now, unfortunately and unquestionably there ARE a lot of things wrong with our world and it is extremely naive to believe otherwise. And the first step to correcting so many of the wrongs, begins with a really good education, and the ability to express oneself properly and sound like a mature and intelligent person.June 18, 2014 6:58 am at 6:58 am #1031058yitzchokmParticipant
oomis, dont give up!
I, for one, have a hard time blaming the Jewish education system for its’ failure to successfully educate their students when the non-jewish schools aren’t doing any better.
This should obviously NOT be misconstrued as a “get out of jail card”. On the contrary, as a community we should demand the best.
but at the same time realize that “less than 30% of New York City students were proficient in math and 26% in reading” (NYDN, August 7, 2013).June 18, 2014 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #1031059
I don’t blame the JEWISH education system, per se, the general ed system has dropped the ball terribly.June 18, 2014 11:50 pm at 11:50 pm #1031060the-art-of-moiParticipant
I’m not saying that there is nothing wrong with the world. All i am saying is that nothing is gained from dissecting the topic on an online forum.
I just read over my post and realized that it is complete chutzpah to those older and wiser to me. I apologize.June 19, 2014 6:01 am at 6:01 am #1031062
And what does it mean to read over a post? To be above a post while reading?June 19, 2014 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1031063Shopping613 🌠Participant
I think the high schools need to shape up, In my humble opinion when a high school accepts a girl they are taking her life in their hands. They will be a big factor if the girl goes OTD or not, or enjoys school or not or comes out with a diploma or not. And by kicking a girl out they are throwing that responsibility off, which is not responsible. At the least, they should have a valid reason to kick a girl out and help her get accepted to a place they think is better suited for her needs that the school obviously can’t fulfill.
I think the schools are too academic…it’s too hard, we need 7-9 hours of sleep, many of my friends get 3-6 hours a night cuz of work overload…June 19, 2014 2:16 pm at 2:16 pm #1031064zahavasdadParticipant
If you think school is too hard, maybe you are in the wrong school. The double curriculum for jewish schools is overwheming for many esepcially if you have a learning disability which many yeshivas are not equiped to handleJune 19, 2014 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1031065jewishfeminist02Member
Shopping613, schools are responsible for ALL of their students. Sometimes expelling one student is the only way to preserve a proper education for the hundreds of other students they have, who may otherwise pick up bad behavior from that one student. And by the way, students also have a responsibility to the school– what do you think that thick packet of forms is for? Schools have codes of dress and conduct and if a student isn’t willing to respect that, he or she can’t expect to be allowed to stay.June 19, 2014 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1031066
They don’t always have a valid reason. Sometimes they accept a student because they want to look good, then expel that student because it was their intention in the first place.September 4, 2014 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm #1031067
You are right!September 5, 2014 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1031068jbaldy22Member
who exactly do you think is responsible for making such decisions and do you think they ask a rav before doing so?
“Sometimes expelling one student is the only way to preserve a proper education for the hundreds of other students they have, who may otherwise pick up bad behavior from that one student.”
usually just the schools excuse because they don’t want to deal with the student (and the students parents don’t have enough money). These are big questions which should be posed to a rav on a case by case basis.September 7, 2014 8:56 am at 8:56 am #1031069Shopping613 🌠Participant
Sometimes there IS a valid reason to throw out a girl, not just excuses for money, or just not wanting to deal with her.
But in those cases, the girl is STILL the schools responsibility, and if a big factor of her future.
How would they like it if she told everyone that was the reason she went OTD, because she was thrown out for a valid reason or not valid reason (most times it is NOT a valid reason)
In any case, the school is responsible or warning her before hand, a month at least, giving warning before that, recommending a better suited school for her needs and helping her get in to there and explaining to that school why she was thrown out and how their school has better tools for that certain girl.
No girl should be found on the street when 2 days before she was in a school and had no warning and has no where to go.
If the girl doesn’t take the recommended school(s) her first school saw as better suited for her, it is no longer their responsibility, they warned her, helped her, and they can do no more.
Anything less than that, in just plain not decent and the principal should be fired….
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