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    commonsaychel
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    “we have to express our thanks to every Israeli soldier and police-man…” and what does this have anything to do with settlers?

    #2503374
    Yaakov Yosef A
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    Yankel Berel said: “but the shavu’ot are being – in my opinion – misused and misrepresented and that is, besides simply megaleh panim batorah shelo kehalacha, also dangerous and leads to pikuach nefesh”

    YYA: I’m assuming that you are referring to the way the Shevuos are being used by SomeJew et al or the (fake, neo)NK, not the Divrei Yoel זצ״ל himself, who I’m not חושד you to refer to with such לשונות. That being said, there were quite a few Litvish Gedolim who held exactly like the Divrei Yoel on this issue. Reb Reuven Grozovsky, and Reb Eliyahu Henkin were the most explicit about it in writing. Reb Chaim and Reb Velvel of Brisk, as well as Reb Elchonon Wasserman, also held this way in principle, but they did not make it the main focus of their opposition to Zionism because they held that it was too easy for people to weasel out of this טענה by invoking the various kashes and alternative Shittos, which would weaken opposition to Zionism instead of strengthening it. It’s worth noting that Reb Reuven held that the issue of voting and participation in government etc. is not dependent on the Shevuos, and one can hold of the Shevuos and still vote, although he personally didn’t like the idea of the Agudah participation in government for other reasons.

    #2503522
    yankel berel
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    @YYA

    Thanks . What page in ba’ayot hazman is r reuven saying this ?

    where is rav henkin in writing ? do you have an exact address ?

    my question is not at all regarding zionism

    my question is regarding the way forward now – 80 years after the establishment of the medina …
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    I find it extremely hard to justify -the in principle refusal of entertaining pikuach nefesh considerations

    it is mindboggling to me that in all other areas of halacha so much care and so much attention is given to all possibilities

    and here in the most weighty of issues a psak is issued on the flimsiest basis ….

    a psak not for only one sick person ….

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    #2503699
    HaLeiVi
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    Yankel Berel, do you understand why past generations tried avoiding the Russian and Polish army?

    #2503941
    yankel berel
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    @haleivi

    sure

    I would be aghast at the prospect of my son chvsh joining the army

    no question
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