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  • #2491569
    Happy new year
    Participant

    Video Shows Armed Settler Ramming Praying Palestinian; Suspect Released to House Arrest

    These guys are MUCH worse than Neturay Karta. Where all the anti neturay karta guys at??

    These guys are RODFIM to the highest degree. NK are tzadikkim compared to these “settlers”.

    #2491652
    ujm
    Participant

    Fanatical Zionism is the biggest cause of antisemitism worldwide today and for the last 77 years.

    #2491657
    ZSK
    Participant

    Are you kidding me?

    The Dati Leumi community disassociated itself from the incident immediately, without even having all the facts that point to a very different picture.

    #2491658
    jdb
    Participant

    My Rabbeim always said that when somebody is making a chillul hashem, it is assur to stay silent. I am mocheh your post.

    There are well over 500,000 Jews living over the so-called Green Line. A handful of crazies do not represent the vast majority of these holy Jews. Over 90% of “settler violence” is fictitious reporting. I’ve seen it for myself.

    If you need to take a day and calm down, go for it. But don’t go onto an open forum spreading motsi shem rah about hundreds of thousands of our holy brothers and sisters.

    #2491838
    HaKatan
    Participant

    @Happy new year:
    Zionism is idolatry. Idolatry is not rational. That’s the basic answer.
    Zionism and its “State” are also infinitely worse than anything else. But there’s no criticism of that idol either.
    Their criticism of NK is basically due to NK’s opposition to the Zionist idol, not any other reason.

    #2491841
    yedl
    Participant

    I’m not convinced that the narrative is correct. If you just watch the video without reading the YWN headline it seems more like this: this Jew was driving his vehicle down the road, a taxi was blocking the road so he drove on the side without paying attention that some stupid guy was using the side of the road for prayer. when he hit the guy he immediately stopped. after looking down and seeing that the man he just hit was ok, he told him off for putting himself in danger. then he proceeded to scream at the driver who blocked him and caused all this trouble.
    This man may not have the best manners (as is common in people from that area) but it seems he was not trying to hurt anyone.

    #2491843
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    When I compare this message from “Happy new year”
    to comments by UJM, they seem so similar that
    I suspect that they may be the same person (or maybe not).

    #2491850
    chiefshmerel
    Participant

    The specific subgroup you describe are indeed Rodfim and deserve many of the sanctions placed upon them by foreign countries (as individuals, not broadly on Israel). They’re not looking for goodwill, yet my observation as someone who once believed that settlers were indeed Rodfim is that plenty of people obsessing on them as a group don’t either have goodwill.
    Considering that a Jew in Tel Aviv is also an occupier to Hamas and undermining Judaism as per some people on this forum, while there is no Green Line violation in Tel Aviv, why stop there? If your issue is with Medinas Yisroel, say so directly without acting self-righteous with human rights or religious terms depending on audience.
    These politically correct (in the classic sense of a government narrative that is pushed though it may not be true, not the way it’s been hijacked by people with no manners today) terms just beat around the bush. The dishonesty in this crowd is its biggest weakness. I will have infinitely more appreciation for the honesty of an antisemite who says he wants to murder me directly over one who tells me I’m a colonizer who deserves to be pressured and resisted, i.e. murdered.
    Shoin.

    #2491851
    simcha613
    Participant

    Attacking innocent goyim or making friends and supporting our genocidal enemies in an effort to weaken the Jewish state? Both will have to face din v’cheshbon for their terrible actions.

    #2491857
    anIsraeliYid
    Participant

    Did you actually look into the background of this event? This was the continuation of an ongoing confrontation between a group of “settlers” and Arab residents of local villages. I don’t have enough information to judge the situation – but you definitely do not if you’re going by the video alone.

    #2492009
    Happy new year
    Participant

    @yedl

    I’m maskim. I watched the video again and it seems you’re right. The taxi was blocking the road and he swerved around it, hitting the guy bowing in the road, with a black leather jacket, not seeing him.

    And he had a gun. If this was the other way around, the leather jacket guy and all bystanders would be killed by the ramming and the gunfire. The tractor driver was clearly NOT a terrorist.

    I apologize for calling him a Rodef.

    #2492113
    riva
    Participant

    Firstly, I’d like to make something clear since I am a Hareidi 67-year-old wife, grandmother, and “SETTLER” LIVING OVER THE GREEN LINE FOR OVER 33 YEARS! This conversation is absolutely terrible and VERY VERY MEAN/FORBIDDEN TO SAY ABOUT YOUR FELLOW JEW who is doing Mesert Nefesh by living in a part of Israel which protects it and develops the land which is ours!! There is no violent “settler” movement that I know of going on there in all the years I lived here. IF and I mean IF a few guys engaged in violence against Arabs, you can bet they had a good reason (although I do not encourage people to break the law) because the fact is that Arab terrorist attacks and lots of murder against Jews LIVING OVER THE GREEN Line have been ongoing since before I lived here. We’re dealing with many evil goyim, make no mistake, and THIS LAND IS OURS! To quote Arutz 7:

    Once again, we are witnessing videos that serve the “settler violence” campaign-a campaign that raises its head whenever the left identifies an opportunity for diplomatic pressure that could lead to further Israeli withdrawals. BLOOD LIBEL! The purpose of the blood-libel campaign against the Jews living in Judea and Samaria (labeled in English “settlers” but who really should be called “inheritors of the land”) is to serve as a tool in the hands of those demanding their uprooting and expulsion from Judea and Samaria and the establishment of an Arab terror state in the heart of our land.
    I highly enourage all of you who have said nasty things about “settlers,” you fellow Jews to learn the laws of Loshen Hora and start caring about each and every Jew if you really want Mossiach to ever come.

    #2492139
    chaim_baruch
    Participant

    To all those NK Kapos voicing their outrage at Zionist settler violence against the bloodthirsty Muslims. Do Tshuva now before it’s too late! You are in great danger of losing your place in Olam Haba if you haven’t already. The Moshiah is coming very soon and when he does, he will ask you all. Why did you forsake your brothers and side with the enemies of Klal Yisrael? And when you have no words because of your shame, you will go the way of Korach and his band of rebels.

    #2492248
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    DISCLAIMER: My point is NOT to bash kollel or yeshivas.
    My Question is not just about Kollel, but about the entire yeshiva system nowadays:
    Why is it that after 10 or 15 years in yeshiva, most guys are not experts in Shas (at least Bavli and Mishna – ideally also yerushalmi, tosefta, Mechilta, Sifra, Sifray – and of course, Mishne Torah L’Rambam)??
    i feel like after 10 years in kollel, and the guy finally goes to work, then he starts finally to learn a little – by a daf shiur. To learn a few hours a day is not ideal or enough.
    The Kollel guys have no excuse – i think they should be focused more on learning Gantz everything.
    The mesivtas are even worse!

    #2492273
    ZSK
    Participant

    @AnIsraeliYid – Rotter dot net has more information. It seems the incident also had some security implications.

    #2492276
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @yedl

    sounds quite right

    thanks for the context

    does someone have any sources to what really happened there ?
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    #2492314
    yankel berel
    Participant

    Dr Mahmoud Alzahar ‘s book :

    No future for Jews between the Nations [printed in Algeria 2008]

    Dr Alzahar is a Founding Member of Hamas and member of their Politburo.

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    Gems to be found in his book :

    -Hitler was right.

    -There is no future for the Jews within the Nations of the World

    -The Jew is a foreign plant within the Garden of the World

    -The koran supports the killing of the Jews.

    -The Jews have to be deported from Palestine

    -The Jews will be totally uprooted

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    ujm, somejew and katan support the collapse of the medina

    ujm, somejew and katan seem to paskan halacha lema’se not like shulchan aruch

    ujm, somejew and katan are therefore ready to be mafkir millions to the likes of Dr Alhazar …
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    #2492424
    riva
    Participant

    The Title of this post is Settlers are RODFIM! That’s like saying all people in Boro Park are evil. G-d forbid! It implies that this title applies to ALL PEOPLE living over the Green line. But in this case, we didn’t even guy our INNOCENT fellow Jew before being quick to condemn him. Even so, as I said, many Jews are extremely frustrated at the ongoing murderous ARAB TERRORISM. Therefore, it’s time that we, as a Jewish people, should support and stand up for each other!

    #2492432
    riva
    Participant

    I want you to know that I am sooooo soo hurt by this topic “SETTLERS ARE RODFIM” because I am a very proud “settler!” During my over 33 years living over the Green line, my family and I have been in several Arab Terrorist attacks. And yet, we are still here because we believe this is our land, it is holy and precious, and needs to be lived on by Jews! So we’re here. At the very least, Jews outside of Israel SHOULD NEVER REFER TO US AS SETTLERS! It’s offensive. We are inheritors of the land, and we invite you all to join us.

    #2492587
    Happy new year
    Participant

    @riva

    I’m sorry if I caused pain to a 67 year old grandma. That definitely was not my intention. I apologize.

    My grandparents were MAJOR zionists and supported zionist activities in East Jerusalem (Arab quarter – Shuvu banim, Ohel Yitzchak, Ras al Amud and many others) and Yehuda/Shomron, giving millions for jews to live there. Speak to Mati Dan…..
    They even had an annual zionist prize!

    I do respect those jews who have the courage to live over the green line. Since Bar Kochba, we haven’t been able to live there. The gentiles have treated us very unfairly over the last 2000 years and now dont want to let us back to our land.

    There is no simple solution…

    #2492588
    Happy new year
    Participant

    @commonsaychel

    I appreciate that you copied a prior post of mine and put it here. Not relevant, but still important….

    #2492733
    HaKatan
    Participant

    yankel berel:
    You don’t mention that the original Zionists were the ones who came up with many of those filthy and false accusations against Jews – which the Nazis later used as well, and the savages after them.

    You also seem very confused. Like it or not, everyone prays for the collapse of the Zionist regime.
    As the Brisker Rav pointed out, that’s the viLaMalshinim prayer we all say thrice daily.

    Obviously, that has nothing to do with the shulchan aruch and also not being mafkir any Jewish lives, CH”V.
    Hashem is omnipotent. That means that He can do anything, including the peaceful discontinuance of the curse of Zionism in all its forms.
    The Zionist heretics and idolaters, on the other hand, insist that G-d cannot run the world without that Zionist paradise, and they ignore/deny portions of the Torah in claiming that nonsensical view.

    riva:
    Hashem should protect you all, but the Torah does not approve of putting yourselves in any danger for the sake of any land, no matter how holy and precious that land is. Doing so is idolatry.

    #2492772
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Chaim_Baruch, thank you for speaking this truth:

    “To all those NK [Neturei Karta] Kapos voicing
    their outrage at Zionist settler violence against the bloodthirsty Muslims:
    Do Tshuva now before it’s too late!

    You are in great danger of losing your place in Olam Haba if you haven’t already.
    The Moshiah is coming very soon and when he does, he will ask you all:

    Why did you forsake your brothers
    and side with the [genocidal] enemies of Klal Yisrael?

    And when you have no words because of your shame,
    you will go the way of Korach and his band of rebels.”

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    PERSONAL COMMENT:

    The Neturei Karta are much worse than “Korach and his band of rebels”,
    because Korach challenged the leadership of Moshe Rabbeinu ZTL ZYA,
    but Korach NEVER wanted to kill even one Jew.

    The Neturei Karta pursue evil policies that
    are designed to cause GENOCIDE against ALL JEWS.

    Therefore, the Neturei Karta are much worse than “Korach and his band of rebels”.

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    PERSONAL COMMENT:

    Anti-Zionists who quote the Satmar Rebbe of the 1940s and 1950s
    are the spiritual equivalents of running a PC
    with MS-DOS from 1992 or Windows 95 from 1995.

    The Satmar Rebbe was a severely over-rated and out-dated fanatic
    with a minority opinion that was motivated by hate
    so powerful that he unable to think straight.

    He was NOT a kadosh; he was a phoney and a hypocrite with Jewish blood on his hands.

    #2492773
    Non Political
    Participant

    Thank you Riva for your excellent posts

    #2493001
    riva
    Participant

    There is a positive mitzva to conquer the land and settle it in every generation. We are fortunate that at this time, there are probably 1 million Jews living over the Green line, so how can we call this idolatry? Maybe you’re not aware, but now there is quite a bit of antisemitism going on around the world, including NY. I live in Betar Ilit, a Torah city of over 80,000 Jews. Are we all idolaters because we live here?

    #2493005
    riva
    Participant

    Thank you for your apology. It’s really not for myself, but for every “settler.” You’re forgiven. As far as your statement: there’s no easy solution, I disagree. The answer is simple. Come join us in Israel, and take what is our gift and inheritance from Hashem! The are around 1 million Jews living over the Green line. We’re winning! Be a part of this!

    #2493058
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    @riva
    what a strange reaction.

    Conquering Eretz Yisroel
    1) there’s is not a positive mitzvah to conquer EY (not sure what you mean with the English word “settle”) in effect RIGHT NOW as we are in gulis. This is why the Rambam doesn’t include it in the 613 and why the Ramban explains his rational to include it in the 613 as despite that it is not currently in effect.

    2) even if there would be such a mitzvah of conquering EY, that “conquering” means conquering it to be obedient to the Torah and uprooting all false idolatries from the land, something you and zionists like you, certainly are NOT doing.

    Danger
    While I can’t speak for @HaKatan , the words he wrote are that one should not risk their life for land as that is idolatry. He did not say that living on this side or that side of some green line is more or less dangerous, nor did he call out the Beitar community for such idolatry of sacrificing their life for earth. All he said is don’t put yourself in danger or send your children of to die for some fake-jewish government control. zionism is an evil death cult that thrives off of and causes mass jewish (chas v’shulem) death. Consider that zionism and their evil state would fully fall apart if antisemitism completely stopped (may both those things happen spedilly in our days).
    There is a reason why some many on both sides of the political aisle easily consider that perhaps Oct 7 was planned by Netanyahu. Zionist have no problem sacrificing Jewish blood for their anti-semitic political dreams. Some sacrifice that blood on the altar of “the state” others on the altar of the “land”.
    That is idolatry, something rampant on both sides of the zionist “green line”.

    Safety
    Why would a G-d fearing Jew choose to move to Eretz Yisroel if he was afraid of antisemitism? Is Eretz Yisroel not the place the Rambam says does NOT have our Divine protection provided in gulis? Are the aveiras of the secular and zionists not rampant I the land that the Torah warns us will bring (chas v’shulem) wrath on the inhabitents with such neighbors? Is chilil shabbos (especially) in EY nothing to you? Beyond this, even those barren of Torah know that within the zionist borders is by far the MOST DANGEROUS place that Jews live today!

    Rashi on the very first pusik says that the land of Eretz Yisroel is G-ds to give to whom He choose. Did he not send us into gulis and take the land away? Are we jews supposed to now come like thieves (Rashi’s language) and claim it our inheritance when the Torah gives us no right (without Moshiach)?

    I can promise you that the only one “winning” because of the State and their violent wars is the Sitra Achra and its zionist followers you call neighbors. Jews are certainly not winning because of their aveiros. Rather, we are winning as servants of Hashem and keepers of His Torah.

    #2493113
    yankel berel
    Participant

    anyone knows the name of katan’s mother ?

    katan needs our tefillot urgently

    when confronted with the ikarei emuna of hamas , which include the destruction of the jews anywhere on the globe

    plus praise for hitler

    he blames the … zionists

    instead of blaming hamas themselves and

    instead of recognizing that as the direct result of katan’s shitah

    those savages will rule EY …

    which obviously is clear mass pikuach nefesh

    katan buries his head in the sand …

    katan needs a refua shlema

    refuat hanefesh …
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    #2493119
    metoo
    Participant

    square root: you’re wrong about Reb Yoel, the Satmer Rebbe. Many gedolim testified that was indeed a Kadosh and a great tzaddik. If, like Reb Ahron Kotler z’l and other gedolim, you do not like is views (or think that they no longer apply), and even if he is a da’as yochid, still – that does not entitle you to be motzi shem rah about an acknowledged tzaddik.
    (BTW he did also give tzedaka to Mizrachi-niks, according to my sources)

    #2493138
    HaKatan
    Participant

    SQUARE_ROOT still has not apologized for cursing and falsely accusing other Jews on this forum, so his nonsense will be ignored.
    But all should be mocheh against his denigration of the holy Satmar Rav.

    SQUARE_ROOT should be banned from these forums, as there are plenty of pro-Zionist/idolater forums where he can hang-out and spread his Zionist nonsense.

    #2493140
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    It doesn’t make sense to call them Rodfim if they are not being Rodef. Why the ridiculous rhetoric? Are you a Rodef if you disable a traffic camera?

    #2493333
    ujm
    Participant

    Haleivi: If some idiots call people rodfim because they protest against Israel at the UN together with Palestinians, the above here is a much lesser transgression.

    #2493499
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    UJM, I’m in full agreement about the idiocy of calling them Rodfim. I don’t know how to measure which one is sillier.

    #2493462
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    Several weeks ago, UJM told us that he wants to dismantle
    The State of Israel and give the land to the USA.

    But if you listen to The Neturei Karta,
    they want to give the land to the so-called “Palestinians”.

    You know— the Phoney-stinians — the people who killed Jewish athletes
    at the Munich Olympic games, and hijacked many airplanes,
    and started a civil war in Jordan, and destroyed Lebanon,
    and want to KILL ALL [100%] JEWS.

    This Neturei Karta “plan” would cause ANOTHER HOLOCAUST,
    with 8,000,000 Jews in Eretz Yisrael being mercilessly massacred,
    including millions of Jewish children and babies.

    Even if UJM was being honest when he said that,
    his statement is still somewhat misleading because
    it is a minority opinion among radical anti-Zionists.

    There is also a Halachic prohibition against giving non-Jews ownership of Eretz Yisrael.

    Most American politicians — even Donald Trump, who is very pro Jewish —
    would strongly oppose using American soldiers to protect Eretz Yisrael’s Jews
    from relentless never-ending attacks from Muslim terrorists.

    #2493353
    somejewiknow
    Participant

    ERROR: In my above comment, I mistakenly wrote ” Is Eretz Yisroel not the place the Rambam says does NOT” when is should have been “Ramban”, making the correct phrase: ” Is Eretz Yisroel not the place the Ramban says does NOT”.

    I apologize for the error.

    #2493343
    RightJew
    Participant

    @riva:

    Thank you for your enlightening comments here that debunk the radical Satmarist/N.K. Reformadoxers.

    You are quite correct about the mitzva to conquer and settle the land, I learned that clearly in a black hat yeshiva in Israel.

    Certainly when the UN General Assembly in 1947 votes to give part of the Land of Israel to the Jews, we are absolutely required to take possession of it.

    If anyone is violating the invented “halacha” of the three oaths, it is the radical Satmarist/N.K. Reformadoxers.

    The greatest rabbis all ruled that there is a continuing mitzvah of “yishuv Eretz Yisrael”, it is clear that to perform this mitzvah requires a Jewish state and a Jewish army.

    The notion of a “gezeiras galus” where allegedly Jews are required to abandon the Land of Israel to the non-Jews is a pure Reformadox invention.

    The Reformadox ideology is being heavily financed by NYC Democrats with long beards and black hats, who spew fake “Judaism” while protesting against Israel with their genocidal Islamo-Marxist brothers.

    These Reformadox may perform Jewish ritual in their temples, but outside their temples their agenda is the pure apikorus Democrat/Islamist religion where the Land of Israel is morphed into a “Fakestine” state and there are no Jews present, God forbid.

    “שהכל מעלין לא”י ואין הכל מוציאין משם הכל מעלין לירושלים ואין הכל מוציאין
    Anyone may initiate ascent to Eretz Yisrael, and no one may compel departure; anyone may initiate ascent to Jerusalem, and no one may compel departure. ”
    (Shulchan Aruch, Evan HaEzer 75:4)

    #2493339
    riva
    Participant

    It says hundreds of times in the Torah that Israel is a gift from G-d to Israel, and we say it a few times in every davening and in the Shma. At least 10 times a day, we talk about Israel, and we daven to bring every Jew back to Israel, so at this point, we are back with millions of Jews! We also daven to destroy all the evil people, but calling all the Jewish people who have come to live in Israel evil, especially so many very frum people like myself, who are willing to risk our lives as well as sacrifice material comforts only because G-d said it’s our gift, is absolutely wrong and evil.
    Any reasonable Jew can understand this by reading the Bible. One should be ashamed to suggest refusing the gift of G-d! Certainly, all the good people of Israel don’t deserve criticism for not being able to make everyone follow the Torah, but as Torah Jews, we not only influence others to keep the Torah but are slowly transforming Israel into a Torah State as more religious Jews join us.

    #2493338
    riva
    Participant

    It says hundreds of times in the Torah that Israel is a gift from G-d to Israel, and we say it a few times in every davening and in the Shma. At least 10 times a day, we talk about Israel, and we daven to bring every Jew back to Israel, so at this point, we are back with millions of Jews! We also daven to destroy all the evil people, but calling all the people in Israel, especially so many very frum people like myself, who are willing to risk our lives as well as sacrifice material comforts only because G-d said it’s our gift, is absolutely wrong and evil.
    Any reasonable Jew can understand this by reading the Bible. One should be ashamed to suggest refusing the gift of G-d! Certainly, all the good people of Israel don’t deserve criticism for not being able to make everyone follow the Torah, but as Torah Jews, we not only influence others to keep the Torah but are slowly transforming Israel into a Torah State as more religious Jews join us.

    #2493337
    HaKatan
    Participant

    @Yankel-Berel:
    Tefillos for good health and well-being are always appreciated.

    But you don’t seem to have comprehended what was written. Perhaps a little history would help.
    No, those savages will not rule E”Y, not according to any known “shita”.

    The wicked Zionists invaded the holy land against the wishes of the Jews there over a century ago. The wicked Zionists insisted on fighting not only Jews but, liHavdil, both the British Mandate authorities and the Arabs there. So the wicked Zionists knew very well the trouble they were causing. When the UN informed the wicked Zionists that they intended to start a new mandate after the British mandate concluded, the Zionists insisted that they would instead declare “independence” – and knowingly launch their “forever wars” to an entirely new level.

    They knew better but did not care about Jewish lives, of course.

    #2493588
    Happy new year
    Participant

    ידי מסולקת הימנה ואין לי עסק בה מהשתא

    #2493623
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @katan

    lol.

    I did not comprehend …

    laughing again ….
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    those savages will not rule EY ????

    really ???

    so exactly who will rule ????
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    who exactly will be happy for their own sons to die in fights against those savages ????
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    reality ….

    reality …..

    reality …..

    reality …..

    reality ……

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    #2493624
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @square

    you are a plain mehutsaf when you call satmar rav a ‘phoney’ etc

    there is a clear hyuv mecha’a against such blatant bizuy talmidei hahamim

    this is very hamur and

    you should recant asap
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    #2493625
    yankel berel
    Participant

    @katan

    Napoleon invaded Europe against the wishes of its citizens there over two centuries ago. Napoleon insisted on fighting until he conquered all of Europe. So Napoleon knew very well the trouble he was causing.

    Those words of mine are as relevant to the future of the Jews in EY as your words ….
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    #2493631
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    RightJew said this on 2025 December 31:

    “שהכל מעלין לא”י ואין הכל מוציאין משם הכל מעלין לירושלים ואין הכל מוציאין

    Anyone may initiate ascent to Eretz Yisrael,
    and no one may compel departure;
    anyone may initiate ascent to Jerusalem,
    and no one may compel departure. ”

    (Shulchan Aruch, chelek Even HaEzer 75:4)

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    MY PERSONAL COMMENT:

    RightJew: Thank you very much for this beautiful
    and relevant quote from the Shulchan Aruch.

    Notice that this quote DOES NOT mention
    ANY upper limit for the number of Jews
    who may make aliyah to The Land of Israel.

    On the contrary, the Shulchan Aruch that “HaCol” (הכל) =
    ALL JEWS [100%] may make aliyah to The Land of Israel
    (שהכל מעלין), meaning that there is NO UPPER LIMIT
    for the number of Jews who may
    make aliyah to The Land of Israel.

    This means that 100% of the world’s Jews
    may make aliyah to The Land of Israel,
    even those Jews who do not eat kosher.

    This means that the Shulchan Aruch does not merely
    passively omit The Three Oaths; this means that
    the Shulchan Aruch actively REJECTS The Three Oaths,
    and those people who hold by The Three Oaths
    are contradicting the Shulchan Aruch!! WOW!!

    #2493745
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    There is also a Halachic prohibition against giving non-Jews ownership of Eretz Yisrael

    Why so Machmir? I’m sure you can find a Rav that utilizes some kula.

    #2493746
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    I’m afraid that Riva’s soundbite quote of הכל מעלין was meant to sound like something it doesn’t say. In that case, that would be מגלה פנים בתורה שלא כהלכה.

    It is about a couple moving to Eretz Yisroel, not a movement of bringing people there. I hope that’s all you meant.

    #2493833

    yankel> Napoleon invaded Europe against the wishes of its citizens there over two centuries ago. Napoleon insisted on fighting until he conquered all of Europe.

    I don’t think this is such a simple story. Napoleon attacked countries that were attacking Frnech Republic and he was bringing ideas of French revolution to the rest of Europe. Many people were enthusiastic about this. In Russian empire, Poles and Polish Jews (except Chabad) were. Another lesson for Israel.

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    anon1m0us
    Participant

    I love these conversations. It reminds me who believes in the Torah vs who just learns the Torah.
    I think a majority of people on this chat falls in the latter group. They learn, but don’t believe. Oh, they think they believe, but reality proves otherwise.
    There is no Daas Torah that argues against Aliyah.
    There is no Daas Torah that is against living in Eretz Yistoel.

    If you quote anyone that disagrees with those statements, no matter their name, they are not Daas Torah. They are giligulim from the Merolglim.

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    riva
    Participant

    One final comment. Everything that happens is from HASHEM! Even the creation of Israel as a State…and it’s Hashem’s business if he used non-religious Jews to accomplish this. Perhaps it’s to teach us that every Jew does some type of mitzvah, even if it’s not intentionally. And some Jews have even become religious after experiencing something like BEING A HOSTAGE or being exposed to good frum people willing to accept them and share a bit of Yiddishkeit with them. For example, I have seen non-observant Jews involved in helping someone, giving money to charity, or fighting in the IDF/defending the land of Israel and the Jewish people, which in itself is such a “mersert nefesh” and brings huge reward to this person. WE cannot know what is in the heart of a person or what happened in someone’s life. Therefore, WE should leave JUDGEMENT to Hashem. Our Holy Temple was destroyed by Sinat Chinam. Let us change this NOW! Let’s open our hearts to caring about and respecting every Jew. Even if, for some reason, you don’t want to come to Israel or believe in its legitimacy, know that there are manay many pure neshamas living in the Holyland. We should never speak badly about anyone living in Israel or the land for any reason because it is forbidden! LET’S BRING MOSSIACH BY CHANGING OUR ATTITUDES TO LOVING OUR FELLOW JEW!

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    anon1m0us
    Participant

    The only Rodfim are the Yeshiva Bochorim who are protesting the IDF. It is better for them to leave Eretz Yisroel than divert police resources from doing their real job of protecting against terrorists.

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