October 14, 2009 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #590578
I think you do get paid back,October 14, 2009 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #703521
Great question. It would seem logical to me that you pay for the leftovers only if you had in mind that there should be leftovers. If you made extra to be sure that there would definitely be enough, as you said, I would think if you did it for Covod Shabbos, then Hashem would cover the cost.October 14, 2009 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #703522
Your payback is that you get to eat the expensive roast on a weekday after you already budgeted for it on Shabbos!
Seriously, you made it lekovod Shabbos – how do you know ahead of time that someone will not be very hungry or that someone doesn’t feel like eating, or that an unexpected guest will show up, an invited guest won’t etc.October 14, 2009 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #703523
FWIW, I don’t worry too much about it. What we spend on food we spend, and if HKBH will send it back to us, He’ll send it back.
In addition, in our family, the “traditional” Sunday night dinner is Shabbos leftovers. If HKBH wants to deduct from our “Shabbos allowance” for that, then so be it. I’m not going to throw the food away.
The WolfOctober 15, 2009 4:30 am at 4:30 am #703524
if you had in mind that it might be needed on shabbos then i would assume you’d get paid back, way back i was once in a store with a friend of mine and he saw a big bag of candie bars for 7$ and he was thinking if he should buy it or not and it was rosh chodesh and i told him anything you buy for rosh chodesh will be paid back.In the end he bought it and when we stepped out of the store we met his great aunt who was so glad to see him that she gave him 20$, so yes i think you’ll get paid back!October 15, 2009 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #703525
Thats what we do, if that helps 😉October 15, 2009 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #703526
Who says that Shabbat is free?October 15, 2009 7:19 pm at 7:19 pm #703527
Should we really not make any cheshbonos at all when shopping for Shabbos? Is it really ok to spend much, much more than we’d spend on a regular meal? Can I buy the $50 roast instead of the $30 one? Is that justified?
Of course. L’Kovod Shabbos Kodesh you should go the extra mile.October 15, 2009 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #703528
There’s going the extra mile, and there’s going overboard. There’s also inconspicuous consumption. But basically, most people can’t be that extravagant, especially if they’re not consistent in fulfilling their obligations (e.g. tuition) – reminds me of the mashal of the two brothers going to their other brother’s wedding, father sent money to the rich man to cover the costs of both the first brothers, etc.October 15, 2009 8:03 pm at 8:03 pm #703529
Who says that Shabbat is free?
Not free, per se, but there is a teaching that expenditures for Shabbos are repaid by HKBH and not included in your yearly parnassah cheshbon.
The WolfOctober 20, 2009 2:00 am at 2:00 am #703530
“L’Kovod Shabbos Kodesh you should go the extra mile. “
Of course. But people like Wolf figure it doesn’t matter since he doesnt care if he gets paid back or not.October 26, 2010 3:12 am at 3:12 am #703531
1. You only get paid back if u trust, it says “haminu bi”
2. the rishonim deal with a contradiction in one place it says borrow on me and i will pay u back, in another it says make ur shabbos like weekday and dont come on to people, big machlokes how to answer this, the mishnah brurah brings a machlokes when one duz not have money and has no idea if hell be able to pay back shud he borrow or not? he is machriah “hakol kefiy hinyan” which it appears to mean 1. the chances of being able to pay back. 2. the level of the person 3. possibly if he truly respects shabbos
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