Shabbos soap: Liquid vs bar
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May 8, 2017 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1272359
Is there a concern about using bar soap to wash your hands or anything on Shabbos?
A friend said that there was, but I only use liquid soap and never thought about it. Bar soap is such hard work! Am I the only one who prefers liquid 100%?
Thanks!!! 🙂May 8, 2017 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1272377bmyerParticipant
I’m no posek but i’m 99.9 % sure that it is ASSUR to use bar soap on shabbos.
Liquid is also a problem so I recommend that you ask your LOR…May 8, 2017 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1272383YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
bmyer is correct (100%) on both accountsMay 8, 2017 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #1272398
What? So no soap on Shabbos at all? What do you use then to wash your hands after using the restroom?May 8, 2017 10:35 pm at 10:35 pm #1272408
Water.May 8, 2017 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #1272417
What about illnesses that come from unwashed hands after using the restroom? Even touching doorknobs and such.
Also, what about children playing outside in the dirt. I have seen kids playing outside. Later eating with their hands. I never thought about them not washing their hands. Dunno if their mom told them to clean up before eating. But I would think so. Hmmm.
Thank you!May 8, 2017 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #1272421YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
Joseph is inappropriately misleading you.May 8, 2017 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1272419
Hand sanitizer?May 8, 2017 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #1272426
Thanks Mod-29! That’s a relief! Wow.
But I’m still confused because you said that liquid soap may also be a problem.
Maybe it’s not every liquid soap?
Okay… so this is an ask my LOR question —Good to know!
Thanks 🙂May 8, 2017 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #1272431
You can use shabbos soap, or your homemade thin liquid hand sanitizer.May 8, 2017 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #1272435
Absolutely incorrect.May 8, 2017 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1272445
Bar soap is accepted as assur. Thick liquid soap is a machlokes, but if it’s watered down, should be okay according to at least most poskim.May 8, 2017 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1272441
Bar soap is a problem according to everyone (as far as I know). Liquid soap is a machlokes. It also may depend how thin the liquid soap is. Some will only use it if it is watered down, and some will use it the regular way. There may be a difference between dishwashing detergent and the hand liquid soaps (which are thicker).
It is possible that there are some people who would only use the dishwashing detergent (on their hands) and not the liquid hand soap, and that some will use either one, but I’m not sure.
Definitely an LOR question. And when you ask, make sure to mention that hygiene is important to you!May 8, 2017 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1272447
Oh that’s so cool! I didn’t know that there was Shabbos soap ~ Thanks! 😊👏👏👏🌊🌊🌊🌹🌹🌹May 8, 2017 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1272448
Yes, Joseph, you are absolutely incorrect. Most, if not all poskim are mattir liquid soap if it’s watered down. Some are even mattir it at it’s typical thickness.May 9, 2017 12:23 am at 12:23 am #1272465
“What do you use then to wash your hands after using the restroom?”
Which part of the answer did you fail to understand as accurately responding to the question asked?May 9, 2017 12:26 am at 12:26 am #1272469
Why must you mention that hygiene is important to you? Is it not important to every Jew? So how will mentioning that be relevant to the psak?May 9, 2017 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1272471
um..pardon my ignorance, but what’s Shabbos soap? I didn’t know that existed.May 9, 2017 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1272472
DaasYochid is still in proving mode to demonstrate he’s not my Rashi. 🤓May 9, 2017 12:27 am at 12:27 am #1272473
Or perhaps DY is still upset that RingPlus folded.May 9, 2017 12:28 am at 12:28 am #1272476–Participant
The Star-K uses 600 Centipoise (cP) as the cutoff point. SAE 40 motor oil is about 600 cP if you want to do your own testing.
What happened to my signature line?May 9, 2017 12:32 am at 12:32 am #1272494
What, the fact that you said the wrong halachah isn’t enough of a reason to dispute you?May 9, 2017 12:32 am at 12:32 am #1272495
Lol. No, but Ting was certainly a rip-off.May 9, 2017 12:37 am at 12:37 am #1272498
It’s okay DaasYochid. I still love you.May 9, 2017 1:42 am at 1:42 am #1272500
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I didn’t say any halacha in this thread. I simply answered a question as to what I use to wash my hands on Shabbos with.May 9, 2017 5:47 am at 5:47 am #1272503
Probably watered down liquid soap.May 9, 2017 5:51 am at 5:51 am #1272511ChadGadyaParticipant
If the liquid soap is too thick, it is permissible to water it down on shabbos itself. Same goes for swishing toothpaste and water around in one’s mouth in lieu of mouthwash.May 9, 2017 5:53 am at 5:53 am #1272518
People really shouldn’t wash their hands with motor oil. Actually though I think my mechanic showed me how that works to clean off something. It was a long time ago. What was it?
Thanks 🙂May 9, 2017 5:55 am at 5:55 am #1272527WinnieThePoohParticipant
OK, if DY quit, then I volunteer to be the perush on Joseph.
Joseph was being purposely, umm, well, Joseph.
Technically, his answer was correct- we all use water to wash our hands on shabbos.
His answer ignored the deeper question, which is whether and in what form are we allowed to use a micelle-forming amphipathic surfactant/emulsifier in addition to H2O to make sure our hands are clean and germ-free.
And in classic Joseph style, his omission was successful in stirring a mini-controversy.
(Joe, how did I do?)May 9, 2017 7:19 am at 7:19 am #1272553
“What do you use then to wash your hands after using the restroom?”
Which part of the answer did you fail to understand as accurately responding to the question asked?
The questioner obviously didn’t mean “you” in that sense.
So you answered a question from a relative beginner in Yiddishkeit using word games in a way likely to mislead her, as 29 correctly pointed out.
Hope you had fun.May 9, 2017 7:52 am at 7:52 am #1272557
You know many Yidden will only use water to wash their hands on Shabbos, correct?May 9, 2017 9:09 am at 9:09 am #1272594golferParticipant
Yes you have come up with an actual ask your LOR question!
While everyone will tell you bar soap is no good, at issue is smearing and rubbing thick liquids or lotions. Many people will water down their regular liquid hand soap or dishwashing liquid (if your LOR thinks you should do that let him advise you as to the proportion) for use on Shabbos. Like ChadG already said, you can make more watered down soap on Shabbos if you run out. I just thought I’d mention that while you’re talking to LOR about this, you might want to include other similar things in the discussion, like moisturizing lotions, cosmetics, suntan lotion, diaper rash ointments, and other things people tend to “shmeer”, as all can be problematic on Shabbos. Someday in the not so distant future when you have a baby boy and have to take care of him after his Bris on Shabbos, the Mohel will advise you exactly how to deal with using the antibiotic ointment!May 9, 2017 10:45 am at 10:45 am #1272736WinnieThePoohParticipant
Squuezing the toothpaste out of the tube on shabbos is also problematic.May 9, 2017 11:02 am at 11:02 am #1272774🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
“The Star-K uses 600 Centipoise (cP) as the cutoff point. SAE 40 motor oil is about 600 cP if you want to do your own testing.”
I remember Rabbi Fuerst telling me anything from vegetable oil and thinnerMay 9, 2017 11:30 am at 11:30 am #1272783
“Many people will water down their regular liquid hand soap or dishwashing liquid”
I don’t think everyone even says you have to water it down (especially dishwashing liquid. The regular hand soap I’m less sure of).
But again, there are different opinions, so LOR in this case for sure. And mention that hygiene is an issue for you.May 9, 2017 12:01 pm at 12:01 pm #1272816
Hygiene is important to all Jews. So how is mentioning that halachicly relevant?May 9, 2017 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #1272822
You know many Yidden will only use water to wash their hands on Shabbos, correct?
Without even debating whether is solid basis for that chumra, you do know that that’s not what (in context) you appeared to have said, correct?May 9, 2017 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #1272823
Might mean this case is more of a makom tzorech than others, and if it’s meikar hadin muttar, he might not advise being machmir even if he would to someone else.May 9, 2017 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #1272911MammeleParticipant
If “watering down” liquid soap seems like too much work, almost all poskim agree that foaming hand soap is okay. (And of course you can still make that on your own.)
Also, you can water down liquid soap in the palm of your hand. The idea is not to “spread” the soap befor it’s diluted.
But again, to be sure, ask your LOR. (If you feel shy, remember that it’s good practice, so you’ll feel comfortable asking a shailah when true need arises.)May 9, 2017 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1272920
But what about the scent that most liquid hand soaps contain?May 9, 2017 1:31 pm at 1:31 pm #1272927
I checked. There is a product called Shabbos soap from Adwe. It’s easier than mixing your own.May 9, 2017 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #1272956golferParticipant
What’s your problem with the scent RebY?
You can’t perfume your clothing, but what’s your issue with putting the scented soap on your hands?May 9, 2017 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #1272971
I’m not sure, but I think the shabbos soap is deliberately unscented.May 9, 2017 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #1273000
This topic got no answers. I didn’t think about it much, I just remembered the old topic.May 9, 2017 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1273200
I’m so happy to hear that! I was scared that you guys weren’t friends anymore.May 9, 2017 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1273211
Actually, the way I had read it before all the peirushim were posted was that BMYer and Mod 29 wrote something that could have sounded like they meant that no soap is allowed on Shabbos. I realize that they did not say that, but one could have understood them that way, as LB apparently did based on her question.
One certainly could have understood that there are those who hold that all soap is assur (which I thought was the case, since I know people who don’t use any soap on Shabbos, although perhaps, they just don’t feel like watering it down.) In any case, BMyer’s post could have been understood in either of these ways. LB apparently understood it that way, so she asked “how can one wash his hands on Shabbos if all soap is assur (or if one holds that all soap is assur)?”
So Joseph answered that if someone holds that all soap is assur, he uses water. I have known many people who did just that, so I saw no reason to assume that Joseph meant anything else.
Joe, how did I do? And who did better – me or WTP?May 9, 2017 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #1273203
I asked a sheilah once to a well-known poseik about taking something to help me sleep at night on Shabbos (I had recently heard a recording of a shiur in which it was mentioned that it’s a machlokes.) The Rav said that it’s assur. So I asked, “but isn’t there an opinion that it’s muttar?”
So he said, “Wait a minute.” He went and looked it up and came back and told me that I can take it if I really need to (I do).
Disclaimer: I am not suggesting that one make a practice of shopping for leniencies. I am talking about those situations in which there is more than one valid opinion, and there are factors that may make if difficult for the person in question to go by the stricter opinion. They should make sure to mention those factors when asking the sheilah.May 9, 2017 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #1273224☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
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