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    Is it better to learn shas and get into rashi tosfos or learn chumash first. I know people that get into aruch laner and obscure achromin but they don’t even know basic chumash! One person even told me a this complex Akiva Eger and he did not even know the Jewish months in proper order!


    I have seen plenty of people who spend lots of time learning Chumash and the are am hoaratzim dioraysa.


    there is a rashi in brachos that at least according to one of the leshonos says children shouldn’t be exposed to chumash be’yiun until they are exposed to GM’ i guess this shows which one goes first of course both are necessary


    Nobody should touch a gemara without first going through:

    1. All of Chumash with Rashi

    2. At least 4 sedarim of mishnayos

    Patur Aval Assur

    “????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??”


    Patur Aval Assur

    “?????? ???? ?????… ?????? ???? ??????”

    (Pirkei Avos)


    You can always have a seder for both. I found that learning the entire nach helped my gemara learning tremendously


    nisht: The Halachic status of an Am Ha’aretz is all D’rabannan. The phrase “Am Ha’aretz D’oraisa” is nonsensical.

    nem: That’s not what Rashi means. The Gemara says prevent your children from studying “Higayon”. Rashi explains Higayon as meaning Nach. The reason for this is that, in Rashi’s time, most people who learned Nach were the Catholics. Thus, being too involved in Nach could lead to intermingling with the knowledgeable Catholics, which we tried to avoid. (Fascinatingly enough, many of the Sephardic Rishonim translate “Higayon” there to mean philosophy.)

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕

    Sam, nisht didn’t invent the phrase. It’s an old Yiddish idiom (and idioms aren’t supposed to make sense).


    It was also meant to be a play on words, using a common expression, along with making a point.

    Which is lost, once it has to be explained.


    When I was in 12th grade, my Rebbe told us, “It’s a big problem that many bachurim only learn Gemara, and skip Chumash! We’re going to have a seder every Friday just to learn Chumash with Rashi and Ramban.”


    sam2 thanks for the pshat i just chazered the gm and it is appreciated because it is otherwise most definite a weird rash

    catch yourself

    If someone isn’t going to learn Chumash anyway, they may as well learn Aruch Laner…

    old man

    1. Chumash is essential and must not be skipped.

    2. Learning chumash need not be at the expense of gemara.

    3. The Aruch Laner is not obscure, c”v.

    4. A person who knows chumash cannot be an am ha’aretz d’oraisah, by definition.

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