September 25, 2009 2:08 am at 2:08 am #590493PhyllisMember
Are you following the story Shattered Glass in the Mishpacha? What do you think about it? Is it exaggerated? DO you think it’s exposing pple to ideas they never knew existed?September 25, 2009 2:25 am at 2:25 am #661289
Yes, I am following the story. Though I do enjoy the writing style, this is a very atypical story line. Truth is, I think I have to wait more and see where the whole plot is going to go. It’s too early to tell. Her last story, Green Fences, was also atypical but sort of interesting. I like reading what she writes, even though I may not necessarily enjoy the content.September 25, 2009 3:58 am at 3:58 am #661290
of course i am reading it! the green fences was a good story but a bit too in teh scheme of the happenings of the world right then. i thought shattered glass was good but why do all of these stories need to be either about: kollel life, working vs. learning boys. shalom bayis issues, etc. i dont think that teh information should be so open and exposed do u understand how many ages are reading this magazine? and especially teenage girls who get influenced very deeply and then think about it, i dont think that its too appropo. she is a good writer but i think that the whole revelation of her husbands thoughts and all is way too much. i dont mean anything against riva, just this point bothers me.September 25, 2009 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #661291tzippiMember
Am I following it? Wish I could afford to. I’ll have to wait till it becomes a book and makes it to our Judaica library.September 25, 2009 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm #661292Be HappyParticipant
tzippi – I am sure you could find someone who will pass on their Mishpacha after they have read it. We do it all the time.September 25, 2009 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #661293
The adults at-risk issue is an issue people are still in the dark about. This serial SEEMS to be shedding some light onto this very sore subject.
Sadly, the story is not exagerrated.September 25, 2009 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #661294
artchill, the story is not exxagerated, true. But, as sunflower pointed out, many ages are reading this story and it is too revealing of things going on nowadays. That information may need to get out to the public, but not necessarily in the form of a novel such as this one.September 25, 2009 5:09 pm at 5:09 pm #661295
DeNile is a river in Africa!!
Problems must be confronted and exposed at younger ages now. Don’t forget, big kids=big problems.September 25, 2009 5:15 pm at 5:15 pm #661296
artchill, i’m not arguing with the fact that problems should be exposed. However, there is a way of doing it. A novel serialized in a family magazine is not necessarily the appropriate forum for this type of exposure.September 29, 2009 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm #661297
The story is definatly ‘shedding light’ about the subject, but, in my opinion, i don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. if s/o wrote a serial about teens at risk, would it be ‘inappropriate’? unless im totally missing the point.September 29, 2009 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #661298
ybns- i hate to tell u this butyou missed the point- teens at risk is unforunately commom and many people know about it. but this type of issue should not be printed in a magazine in which a 11 year old can go and read it. if u dont agree answer me back ill be glad to explain furtherSeptember 29, 2009 10:46 pm at 10:46 pm #661299
youngbutnotstupid, there are plenty of books on the topic of teens at risk. As far as I know, this is the first (serialized) novel of a topic of this nature and yes, it is shedding light on the topic- and that’s exactly my point. The first time a topic like this is being “shed light on” should NOT be in the form of a casual novel. Reading through the rest of my posts in this thread I feel as if I keep on repeating myself. Can anyone else help me get my point across?September 29, 2009 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #661300
funny bunny, i feel as if i am talking to a mirror here! i agree with what ure saying.! the whole casualty of this really erks me. if u really god forbid need this type of readign material , then go to a marriage counselor and can explain situations as such to ya! no?September 29, 2009 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #661301shtarkbocherMember
its such a good story!!September 29, 2009 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #661302
I think i understand what FB means about people not realizing whats going on from a novel, but i still dont get why a younger kid cant read about parents going off the derech, its scary, and maybe some kids are better off ‘sheltered’ from this topic, but i dont think appropriate is the right word.
Also, if this was a widley known topic, i don’t think that people would say its so bad for a younger kid to read about it.
Or am i still not getting it.
I personally love the story and look foward to it every week.September 30, 2009 12:16 am at 12:16 am #661303
young but not stupid, AS MY MOTHER JUST TOLD ME: ITS QUITE SAD THAT YOU ARE NOT REALZING WHATS WRONG WITH THE STORY,. STILL NEED EXPLANATION?
i am trying to say that even if these topics may be known i dont think THAT ITS APPROPO for young kids such as yourselfSORRY BUT THATS WHAT YUR SCREEN NAME IS GIVING THAT IMPRESSION, should have to know that a reg magazine is publicizing it to the world. its llike the type of topics- plz think for a second – for a topivc you would never want your kids to be exposed to or anyone bec it just doesnt belong in a publec magazine. these thingsSeptember 30, 2009 3:16 am at 3:16 am #661304
What’s the story about?September 30, 2009 3:54 am at 3:54 am #661305
MYBAT, i dont think it should posted here for obvious reasons …….September 30, 2009 4:14 am at 4:14 am #661306
mybat: you don’t get the Mishpacha in Mexico?!September 30, 2009 4:19 am at 4:19 am #661307
jax, if i am able to get the mishpacha, then i am sure that mexico can get it too.September 30, 2009 4:24 am at 4:24 am #661308
No mishpacha here! Or any Jewish magazine or newspaper for that matter. Actually I get the yated by email.September 30, 2009 4:25 am at 4:25 am #661309
sunflower: which desert are you in?! i heard the Sahara is real hot these days!September 30, 2009 4:32 am at 4:32 am #661310
yeah it is actualy quite hot here now, but i dont live in the sahara! by us its like the opposite. we get summer by like october thru february and winter by april thru august – with fall and spring in between. mybat, just curious when u did your screen name did your brother like just take your bat to go play and u screamed” MO ITS MYBAT!?” WHATS THE STORY BEHIND IT? anyway, lets see who else is still here!September 30, 2009 4:32 am at 4:32 am #661311
mybat; you sound very deprived out there! 😉September 30, 2009 4:47 am at 4:47 am #661312
mybat. at least you have the coffee room!September 30, 2009 2:14 pm at 2:14 pm #661313
sunflower, THANK YOU!!! I needed that validation! 😉 youngbutnotstupid, I hate to break it to you, kid, but I think you are missing the boat.September 30, 2009 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #661314workingMember
I actually only bought the bina and once came upon a copy of a mishpacha and this story got me. since then i only buy the mishpacha. This is a very sad story. I have a question though, the last part was how she told her sister. This is such a private topic why is she mishing in her sister into her problems??? There are so many therapists out there…. I am getting carried away i know its just a story but I read it and found myself getting angry at Huvi. Did anyone have such reactions too?September 30, 2009 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #661315oomisParticipant
Sunflower, I did not read this story, so I have no idea what its content actually is and do speak admittedly out of ignorance of the subject. However, I have seen how people who have different hashkafos about certain issues, tend to feel either more in favor or less in favor of such things being published (read: publicized). It is the very way of thinking that you and some others have (and I am NOT belittling or derogating it, chalilah, because I DO get your opinion and your very valid concerns), that leads sometimes to a community covering up abuse of spouses and children, drug use that is RAMPANT in yeshivas (whether we want to believe it or not), immoral behavior, and so on. Hiding our children’s heads in the sand is NOT the asnwer, in my humble opinion, because whether or not you accept this to be true, many of them ALREADY KNOW what is going on. Off the derech behavior unfortunately is in our faces everywhere we go. The idea is to teach our children that this is a great tragedy, and strengthen their emunah and religious connection to Torah and mitzvos, so that when they read, see, or experience something like this, they are equipped to handle it.
I am sure you disagree with the above, but trying to keep our children like ostriches, is largely responsible for a lot of what we see going on today. The Yetzer Hara has to be challenged and met with strength. Pretending he is not there, only gives him more power. I would read the article together with my children were they still so young, and then discuss the ramifications of what we have read, to get a better understanding of their own thought processes.September 30, 2009 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #661316
Do you feel the Chinuch Roundtable which occasionally talks about children with doubts is also inappropriate because maybe some kids will become enlightened? How about the responses of the panel members (Rabbis Aisenstark, Kaminetzky, and Neuberger) which shed light on many important problems?
There are very few THINKING people who make it through life without hashkafic questions. If you insist that a hashkafic questions automatically puts one into the category of apikorus all you’ll accomplish is, when the questions come up they won’t be asked. A question that goes unanswered grows roots and causes much more damage.
Hopefully, the serial highlights and glorifies the people who work with at-risk people who are unafraid of questions. Almost every city has a person like that.
The response from FunnyBunny was very disrespectful. No question is a stupid question. If you ever have a question or comment ask someone you respect.September 30, 2009 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #661317smartgalMember
what about in last week’s serial ? When Huvi tells her sister how Betzalel is going online to kefira blogs & the author implies that perhaps he is doing worse & looking at things he shouldnt be-when huvi cuts her sister off in mid sentence … anyone else get that perception that she is alluding to ‘other things’ ?September 30, 2009 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #661318
artchill, if u knew me personally I don’t think you’d ever imply (thru caps lock, which is disrespectful in its own right) that I do not think before I speak, or in this case type. One of the things I pride myself on being is someone who thinks before she speaks.
I do not read the Chinuch Roundtable, but as Rabbi Aisenstark was my sem principal a lot of the answers he gave were actually from the sem students. He would read a question aloud in class and we would answer it.
If you would have read my posts a bit more carefully, I think you would have noticed this:
Yes, I agree that this topic is important and should be addressed to the those who need to hear it.
No, I do not think this topic should be addressed in the form of a casual novel that people flip through from time to time.
youngbutnotstupid: i read your post and my post a few times over and I do not believe that I said anything that implied that your question was stupid. If you ask me, artchill, I did not say anything worse than this:
young but not stupid, AS MY MOTHER JUST TOLD ME: ITS QUITE SAD THAT YOU ARE NOT REALZING WHATS WRONG WITH THE STORY,. STILL NEED EXPLANATION?
i am trying to say that even if these topics may be known i dont think THAT ITS APPROPO for young kids such as yourselfSORRY BUT THATS WHAT YUR SCREEN NAME IS GIVING THAT IMPRESSION, should have to know that a reg magazine is publicizing it to the world. its llike the type of topics- plz think for a second – for a topivc you would never want your kids to be exposed to or anyone bec it just doesnt belong in a publec magazine. these things
ybns- i hate to tell u this butyou missed the point-
If anything, my comment was less hurtful and not at all disrespectful.
All the same, youngbutnotstupid, please forgive me if I hurt you in any way.September 30, 2009 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #661319yoyoMember
I 100% agree with funnybunny- many kids will get new ideas from these stories and will have the taavah to try it out!!!! every tween, teen and adult will most probab ly read this story!! what will occur because they read it either they will get a new idea and realize its severity and try to prevent it from happening or chas v’shalom the oppositee
the sad side is that the author writes beautifully and its sad that its being wasted on a plot like thisSeptember 30, 2009 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #661320
ok guys. wow. i just came home and i come here and all i here is yelling at me! ybns and fb, i am sorry if i came across sounding like an ostrich and btw, i dont think it was too nice to have to explicitly write out my posts again just to get your point across.
and you know what oomis? your right that i should probably be disagreeing with you but how can i if you didnt even read the story? also i understand that if pple have diff hashkafos they tend to feel diff about certain issues. the thing that is bothering me is that such a sad story really which no one should ever have to know from is written in a magazine like this. and everyone is yelling that you would rather youre kids know about it now and not be an ostrich and all. right? but if you would think for a few seconds and say hey! you know i wouldnt read this type of story to my kid. i wouldnt really want my 11 year old daughter reading this type of material.EVEN IF SHE WILL FIND OUT ABOUT IT LATER and yes fb, im using caps to emphasize. would you want your 11 year old daughter reading about drug addicts and abuse… in order that she will know about it because its in our faces and theres no reason why she should “bury her head in the sand” come on. and you know what, i guesss if you dont agree than maybe you are right that if pple have diff hashkafos the will look at things at a diff perspective.
just explain to me why you think that such a story should be in its form as is.
i am sorry if my explanation doesnt satisfy you. tell me if it doesnt and why.September 30, 2009 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #661321
I don’t know where you’re from but maybe there are more Mishpachah customers there. I called them once to see if I could suscribe but they said that they don’t send subscriptions to mexico…..September 30, 2009 9:49 pm at 9:49 pm #661322
sunflower, I wasn’t yelling at you, and nothing I said was actually directed at you, sorry. I came home and found some people yelling at me, and I was too worked up to realize that what I said may have hurt you. I’m sorry if I came across that way.
yoyo, I also love her style of writing, and I avidly followed the last serialized novel, Green Fences- but that was also a bit problematic… though, I really don’t want to get into that.September 30, 2009 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #661323
I apologize if you found my above statements insulting. I wasn’t saying that YOU aren’t a thinking person. You were very lucky to have had Rabbi Aisenstark which gave you an extra shot and answered any questions anyone might have. However, not everyone is so fortunate.
However, the way you treated youngbutnotstupid had the potential to cause harm to his/her feelings and questions. If you can’t see this, oh well!September 30, 2009 10:00 pm at 10:00 pm #661324
mybat, i feel for you. but maybe people can mail it to you? that is if you REALLY live in mexico……
funny bunny, thanks for apologizing. its ok. its just that i am trying to give people my point of view and i am gettign bombarded from all sides! i hope everyone will understand. and btw, i also luv riva’s style of wriring. it feels as if you are part of teh story. i just dont agree with her choice of storyline.September 30, 2009 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #661325
Actually I suscribed to a different Jewish magazine but I’m probably their only subscription in mexico. If I’m really from mexico………September 30, 2009 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #661326
sunflower, i totally empathize with you, I feel the same way. But that’s what you get when you state your opinion, and this is what a discussion is!
artchill, apology accepted. I really don’t see, though, where I went wrong with youngbutnotstupid. If you want to point it out to me (respectfully! :)) please do. I’d appreciate it.September 30, 2009 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #661327
youre right funny bunny! at least im allowed to state it no? and btw mybat, it you are from “mexico”” i think i have at least 4 possibilities to get a jewish magazine to ya:}October 1, 2009 2:14 am at 2:14 am #661328
Really sunflower? And what are these possiblities?October 1, 2009 3:13 am at 3:13 am #661330
mods, just curious if m post was deleted and if it was then can just edit it?
mybat, i was trying to say that in order for me to tell u the choices i need to know the exact location i am not interested in u giving me some far flung place to make me nuts it wont work on me. mods, its such a big deal to write the area where someone lives? its not like someone can track the mybat down!;)
anyway if u can tell me the exact place tehn i am willing to give over the info.October 1, 2009 5:09 am at 5:09 am #661331
What do you mean? City?October 1, 2009 1:44 pm at 1:44 pm #661332
I have no way and neither do you of knowing who youngbutnotstupid is. All I ask is that you respect ?younger people, after all some young people have more life experience than some adults.?
I hope you understand and I apologize that you felt under attack by me. ?October 1, 2009 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #661333AnonymousInactive
artchill, well said.October 1, 2009 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #661335
sunflower, please do not ask again for her location. this particular issue is over.October 1, 2009 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #661336
sorry mods! i didnt mean it. so i guess mybat, ull just have to stick to the yated and the coffee room! goodluck!October 1, 2009 7:51 pm at 7:51 pm #661337
artchill, thank you for explaining it. you put it very well, and I understand where I went wrong. I think we’re good now! 🙂October 5, 2009 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #661338
look what i started here. oi vey.
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