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  • #604571
    cholent guy
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    I was doing the daf the other day and it says something about how to see Sheidim. It says that if you take ash ground to fine soot an sprinkle it around your bed before you go to sleep you will see rooster footprints in the morning, which is what Sheidim feet look like. There was also something about seeing Sheidim. Anyone care to post it or try it

    #891584
    mommamia22
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    I don’t understand.

    I thought that when we daven that the four malachim surround and protect us, that there wouldn’t be an issue with such a thing near us.

    #891585
    WIY
    Member

    If it would work the person would be in a lot of danger because sheidim are mazikim. I would not recommend this to anyone!

    #891586
    shmoel
    Member

    Sheidim or Dibbuks. They’re both around, but they’re different things.

    #891587
    Curiosity
    Participant

    Have you lost your mind, or are you just trying to get others to lose theirs?

    #891588
    Avi K
    Participant

    I know a few.

    #891589
    frummy in the tummy
    Participant

    What is this “mind” thing you speak of?

    #891590
    Sam2
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    There was a story 30 years ago in YU about a guy who tried it and went crazy because he saw that Sheidim are everywhere.

    #891591
    TheGoq
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    I dont mind the sheidim in my bedroom they keep the monsters in my closet at bay.

    #891592
    R.T.
    Participant

    “It says that if you take ash” What kind of ash? How much? What’s the source?

    “ground to fine soot” How finely is it grounded?

    “an sprinkle it around your bed” Where? On the comforter? On the floor? Sprinkle it clockwise? counterclockwise?

    “before you go to sleep” Before midnight? How long do you have to sleep?

    “you will see rooster footprints in the morning”, Perhaps, if we know what to look for.

    “which is what Sheidim feet look like.”

    I agree wholeheartedly with Chazal. But as you can see, if we don’t know exactly what we are doing, we may not get the results we are looking for.

    Just my humble thoughts on the subject.

    #891593

    cholent guy: Rav Bibi bar Abaye tried it and he got hurt. Don’t mess with the Dark Side.

    #891594
    cholent guy
    Participant

    Shmoel, I think a dibbuk possesses you instead of just harming you.

    Curiosity, if you just sprinkle ash around yor bed nothing will happen, just you will see their footprints which look like a rooster’s on the ground around you when you wake up. However, if you actually tried the gemaras formula to actually SEE Sheidim which is to take a part of a cat(has to be firstborn several gens)burn it to ash and sprinkle it in your eyeA.no wonder you’d see Sheidim!B. if you actually saw Sheidim, yes you most probably would lose your mind.

    WIY, if you do try this out, it says to seal your mouth and put what’s left of the powder into an iron tube which is sealed so there will be no danger.

    Avi K, you wouldn’t be the first one. Shlomo Hamelech commanded Sheidim to do his bidding and their king was his servant.( Lots of interesting medrashim on that one.)

    Mommam, I don’t know about that so i can’t give you an answer on that one.

    Curiosity, about the question…. No comment.

    #891595
    RebRY
    Member

    The things that goyim call “ghosts” which they claim are spirits of dead people that haunt places, could those be what we call mezikim or sheidim?

    #891596
    optimusprime
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    #891597
    cholent guy
    Participant

    Rebry, Sheidim are demons, not ghosts. And regular people can’t see Sheidim unless you us the formula mentioned above, so things non-Jews see are simply hoaxes.

    #891598
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Sam, was there any description gleaned?

    #891599
    cholent guy
    Participant

    I just mixed the formula. I’m thinking weather I should use it or not.

    #891600
    Sam2
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    HaLeiVi: That, I do not know. I heard this story from my father while we were learning Brachos together when I was very young (somewhere between 10 and 14, I don’t quite remember).

    #891601
    cholent guy
    Participant

    Sam2 if someone put that kind of formula in their eyes, they probably would see Sheidim.

    #891602
    cholent guy
    Participant

    R.t, I’ll look it up 3rd thing tomorrow

    #891603
    mommamia22
    Participant

    This is TOTALLY freaking me out!!

    Does this not scare any one else?!?!

    #891604
    oomis
    Participant

    I thought with mezuzos on the doors, sheidim cannot get in.

    #891605
    cholent guy
    Participant

    Mm, no.

    Oomis, I don’t think so.

    #891606
    Sam2
    Participant

    Mommamia: What’s there to be scared of? HKBH, Torah, Mitzvos, and Kriyas Shma Al Hamitah protect us. (But if you’re really scared you can always hold like the Rambam that they never existed or the Gra that they no longer exist.)

    #891607
    greatest
    Member

    There was a well-known real story of a dybbuk relatively recently that the Chofetz Chaim dealt with.

    #891608
    WIY
    Member

    I love how we so cavalierly discuss seeing Sheidim here as though it were no big deal. Doesnt the Gemara Daf 6a in Brachos say that one who sees Sheidim will go insane? The human mind (or most people except Shlomo and maybe some others over the centuries) cant handle seeing them.

    #891609
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    (But if you’re really scared you can always hold like the Rambam that they never existed or the Gra that they no longer exist.)

    So those Sheidim that the protagonist in your story saw didn’t hold like them. That reminds me of the saying, a barking dog doesn’t bite. And the retort, you and I know it but the dog doesn’t.

    By the way, where is that Gra?

    #891610
    MorahRach
    Member

    This is really freaky. I remember learning a little about them in gemera ( yes my HS taught gemera to girls). This is freaking me out and I just woke up, can’t read anymore!

    #891611
    oomis
    Participant

    That reminds me of the saying, a barking dog doesn’t bite. And the retort, you and I know it but the dog doesn’t.”

    Not to get OT, but according to the laws of aerodynamics, the structure of a bumblebee’s body is such that it is impossible for it to fly. But the stupid bumblebee doesn’t know anything about aerodynamics, so he goes and flies anyway!

    #891612
    oomis
    Participant

    Now to get back ON topic – this IS scary stuff. i really thought that a mezuzah was a shmirah against such things, and now you are saying, NO?

    #891613
    cholent guy
    Participant

    R.t I have the answers.

    Any kind of ash will do.

    Just a fine powder.

    Just all around your bed, clockwise or counter clockwise.

    Just to be safe lets say you go to sleep at 8 and wake up at 6.30.

    Just the I’mprints of rooster footprints.

    Formula to see Sheidim

    Take the placenta of a firstborn black cat, daughter of a firstborn black cat. Grind it to powder. Fill your eye with it and you will see them.WARNING! Seal your mouth lest they harm you and seal what’s left of the powder in an iron tube sealed with an iron seal lest they steal it.

    Oh vey,

    Yes but reb bibi bar avaye recovered.

    Sam 2 ,

    It corroborates the Gemara because it says that there are a thousand on your left and ten thousand on your right, basically, they are everywhere.

    #891614

    I think that their a real sheid in some of their schools who take away children’s shoes.

    #891615

    cholent guy: Yes, but he recovered only because the Rabbanan davened for him.

    #891616
    2scents
    Participant

    Besides, I don’t think that it is sage to literally interpret a Gemara like that, the Gemara was written almost two thousand years ago, people had a different way of thinking and writing.

    That is why we need the Meforshim to help us out.

    #891618
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Here’s a couple of Kushyos. One of the ways a Sheid is similar to an angel is that it can appear in many forms, so why those foot prints? Also, since they can fly, we know from the Sugya of Joseph Shida, why the prints? Third, if they’re all over the place why only at night and around the bed? And lastly, why ash and not flour?

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