August 15, 2012 1:39 pm at 1:39 pm #604571
I was doing the daf the other day and it says something about how to see Sheidim. It says that if you take ash ground to fine soot an sprinkle it around your bed before you go to sleep you will see rooster footprints in the morning, which is what Sheidim feet look like. There was also something about seeing Sheidim. Anyone care to post it or try itAugust 15, 2012 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #891584mommamia22Participant
I don’t understand.
I thought that when we daven that the four malachim surround and protect us, that there wouldn’t be an issue with such a thing near us.August 15, 2012 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #891585WIYMember
If it would work the person would be in a lot of danger because sheidim are mazikim. I would not recommend this to anyone!August 15, 2012 4:36 pm at 4:36 pm #891586shmoelMember
Sheidim or Dibbuks. They’re both around, but they’re different things.August 15, 2012 4:57 pm at 4:57 pm #891587CuriosityParticipant
Have you lost your mind, or are you just trying to get others to lose theirs?August 15, 2012 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #891588Avi KParticipant
I know a few.August 15, 2012 6:14 pm at 6:14 pm #891589frummy in the tummyParticipant
What is this “mind” thing you speak of?August 15, 2012 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm #891590
There was a story 30 years ago in YU about a guy who tried it and went crazy because he saw that Sheidim are everywhere.August 15, 2012 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #891591TheGoqParticipant
I dont mind the sheidim in my bedroom they keep the monsters in my closet at bay.August 15, 2012 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #891592R.T.Participant
“It says that if you take ash” What kind of ash? How much? What’s the source?
“ground to fine soot” How finely is it grounded?
“an sprinkle it around your bed” Where? On the comforter? On the floor? Sprinkle it clockwise? counterclockwise?
“before you go to sleep” Before midnight? How long do you have to sleep?
“you will see rooster footprints in the morning”, Perhaps, if we know what to look for.
“which is what Sheidim feet look like.”
I agree wholeheartedly with Chazal. But as you can see, if we don’t know exactly what we are doing, we may not get the results we are looking for.
Just my humble thoughts on the subject.August 15, 2012 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #891593oyveykidsthesedaysMember
cholent guy: Rav Bibi bar Abaye tried it and he got hurt. Don’t mess with the Dark Side.August 15, 2012 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #891594
Shmoel, I think a dibbuk possesses you instead of just harming you.
Curiosity, if you just sprinkle ash around yor bed nothing will happen, just you will see their footprints which look like a rooster’s on the ground around you when you wake up. However, if you actually tried the gemaras formula to actually SEE Sheidim which is to take a part of a cat(has to be firstborn several gens)burn it to ash and sprinkle it in your eyeA.no wonder you’d see Sheidim!B. if you actually saw Sheidim, yes you most probably would lose your mind.
WIY, if you do try this out, it says to seal your mouth and put what’s left of the powder into an iron tube which is sealed so there will be no danger.
Avi K, you wouldn’t be the first one. Shlomo Hamelech commanded Sheidim to do his bidding and their king was his servant.( Lots of interesting medrashim on that one.)
Mommam, I don’t know about that so i can’t give you an answer on that one.
Curiosity, about the question…. No comment.August 15, 2012 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #891595RebRYMember
The things that goyim call “ghosts” which they claim are spirits of dead people that haunt places, could those be what we call mezikim or sheidim?August 15, 2012 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #891596August 15, 2012 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #891597
Rebry, Sheidim are demons, not ghosts. And regular people can’t see Sheidim unless you us the formula mentioned above, so things non-Jews see are simply hoaxes.August 16, 2012 12:06 am at 12:06 am #891598
Sam, was there any description gleaned?August 16, 2012 1:05 am at 1:05 am #891599
I just mixed the formula. I’m thinking weather I should use it or not.August 16, 2012 2:16 am at 2:16 am #891600
HaLeiVi: That, I do not know. I heard this story from my father while we were learning Brachos together when I was very young (somewhere between 10 and 14, I don’t quite remember).August 16, 2012 3:30 am at 3:30 am #891601
Sam2 if someone put that kind of formula in their eyes, they probably would see Sheidim.August 16, 2012 3:32 am at 3:32 am #891602
R.t, I’ll look it up 3rd thing tomorrowAugust 16, 2012 3:32 am at 3:32 am #891603mommamia22Participant
This is TOTALLY freaking me out!!
Does this not scare any one else?!?!August 16, 2012 3:43 am at 3:43 am #891604
I thought with mezuzos on the doors, sheidim cannot get in.August 16, 2012 4:19 am at 4:19 am #891605
Oomis, I don’t think so.August 16, 2012 4:19 am at 4:19 am #891606
Mommamia: What’s there to be scared of? HKBH, Torah, Mitzvos, and Kriyas Shma Al Hamitah protect us. (But if you’re really scared you can always hold like the Rambam that they never existed or the Gra that they no longer exist.)August 16, 2012 5:43 am at 5:43 am #891607greatestMember
There was a well-known real story of a dybbuk relatively recently that the Chofetz Chaim dealt with.August 16, 2012 5:46 am at 5:46 am #891608WIYMember
I love how we so cavalierly discuss seeing Sheidim here as though it were no big deal. Doesnt the Gemara Daf 6a in Brachos say that one who sees Sheidim will go insane? The human mind (or most people except Shlomo and maybe some others over the centuries) cant handle seeing them.August 16, 2012 6:22 am at 6:22 am #891609
(But if you’re really scared you can always hold like the Rambam that they never existed or the Gra that they no longer exist.)
So those Sheidim that the protagonist in your story saw didn’t hold like them. That reminds me of the saying, a barking dog doesn’t bite. And the retort, you and I know it but the dog doesn’t.
By the way, where is that Gra?August 16, 2012 11:52 am at 11:52 am #891610MorahRachMember
This is really freaky. I remember learning a little about them in gemera ( yes my HS taught gemera to girls). This is freaking me out and I just woke up, can’t read anymore!August 16, 2012 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm #891611
That reminds me of the saying, a barking dog doesn’t bite. And the retort, you and I know it but the dog doesn’t.”
Not to get OT, but according to the laws of aerodynamics, the structure of a bumblebee’s body is such that it is impossible for it to fly. But the stupid bumblebee doesn’t know anything about aerodynamics, so he goes and flies anyway!August 16, 2012 12:48 pm at 12:48 pm #891612
Now to get back ON topic – this IS scary stuff. i really thought that a mezuzah was a shmirah against such things, and now you are saying, NO?August 16, 2012 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #891613
R.t I have the answers.
Any kind of ash will do.
Just a fine powder.
Just all around your bed, clockwise or counter clockwise.
Just to be safe lets say you go to sleep at 8 and wake up at 6.30.
Just the I’mprints of rooster footprints.
Formula to see Sheidim
Take the placenta of a firstborn black cat, daughter of a firstborn black cat. Grind it to powder. Fill your eye with it and you will see them.WARNING! Seal your mouth lest they harm you and seal what’s left of the powder in an iron tube sealed with an iron seal lest they steal it.
Yes but reb bibi bar avaye recovered.
Sam 2 ,
It corroborates the Gemara because it says that there are a thousand on your left and ten thousand on your right, basically, they are everywhere.August 16, 2012 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #891614
I think that their a real sheid in some of their schools who take away children’s shoes.August 16, 2012 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #891615oyveykidsthesedaysMember
cholent guy: Yes, but he recovered only because the Rabbanan davened for him.August 16, 2012 6:31 pm at 6:31 pm #8916162scentsParticipant
Besides, I don’t think that it is sage to literally interpret a Gemara like that, the Gemara was written almost two thousand years ago, people had a different way of thinking and writing.
That is why we need the Meforshim to help us out.August 16, 2012 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #891618
Here’s a couple of Kushyos. One of the ways a Sheid is similar to an angel is that it can appear in many forms, so why those foot prints? Also, since they can fly, we know from the Sugya of Joseph Shida, why the prints? Third, if they’re all over the place why only at night and around the bed? And lastly, why ash and not flour?
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