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  • #596988
    cookies123
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    Why do people view married women wearing no wig so negatively as oppose to women wearing beautiful-natural looking wigs that are much better looking then their own hair?

    #768430
    hanib
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    for the simple reason that we are commanded to cover our hair, and not doing so is an aveirah and doing so a mitzvah.

    (obviously, no one should view anyone negatively -none of us are perfect, yet).

    #768431
    a mamin
    Participant

    Thats a very good question, though the halacha is married women are supposed to cover there hair! How the married woman chooses to do that is entirely another parsha! Everyone needs to follow their own Rav. Please note the Rabbonim that are against human hair wigs are so, because of what you wrote.

    #768432

    there is a command from the Commander! to cover ones hair.

    as far as the various ways of doing it as well as the various reasons for the command, there can be discussion.

    #768433
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    commander!

    Commander.

    The Wolf

    #768434
    honolulu
    Member

    halacha states that a married woman must cover their hair it doesnt say anywhere that a woman cant look good

    #768435
    cookies123
    Member

    If it’s halacha to cover your hair, then who are you being tznius’dig for if noone around you can tell that your hair is covered besides for yourself?

    #768436

    thank you wolf

    i appreciate the correction

    i try to be makpid on capitalization

    #768437
    hanib
    Participant

    cookies – for yourself.

    it’s obvious that it’s not that hair per se is untznious, or else how could single girls walk around with their hair uncovered.

    some of the more learned ones in the cr can explain what the deal is with covering hair. all i know is that married women are commanded to cover their hair, and thus THEIR hair, no matter how ugly or pretty it is, becomes untznious.

    #768438
    Imaofthree
    Participant

    cookies 123, I think that in most cases, real hair is much nicer than wig hair. Real hair moves and looks alive. Shaitel might be beautiful but it’s still artificial hair and I can tell a million miles away, even if it’s very expensive.

    What do you care what everyone thinks and what they do, just focus on yourself and your own spiritual growth and don’t point fingers at others. that’s my policy.

    #768439
    Sacrilege
    Member

    cookies

    First of all, I never saw a wig that was SO good that I wasnt able to tell it was a wig (excluding those where the wearer takes out 9/10 of their hair and puts it over the ‘wig’). I HAVE said hey, thats an amazing wig! But for other Jews to not realize? Dont think so.

    Secondly, Hash-m knows that should be enough.

    #768440

    im sorry for the length of this. i dodnt have time to read it but it from a letter written by Rebbitzen Feige Twerski in response to a question she received:

    The first note of clarification needs to be that the objective of God’s commandments is not the betterment of society as a whole or how we might appear to others, but rather how the mitzvot (commandments) speak to us personally, and how they enhance and promote the requisite spiritual growth of the individual who observes them.

    A mitzvah (commandment) is a communication between the ‘Metzvave,’ the Commander (God), and the person who has wisely chosen to observe His expressed will, thereby forging a personal relationship with the Master of the universe. Society and the people around us are merely incidental and peripheral to the process.

    As you correctly noted, covering the hair for a woman is indeed only part of a bigger picture.

    Philosophically, the issue at hand is the existential struggle between focusing on the external or the internal dimensions of life. The external is the physical, material world of appearances that incessantly and compellingly beckons to us. This includes the never-ending drive to sate our appetites. It encompasses the needs of eating, drinking, sleeping, clothing ourselves, careers, acquisition of money, buying bigger and more beautiful homes, cars, vacations etc, etc. All of these drives are part of the world of the proverbial hunt. Arguably, the pursuit of the blandishments of the external world can be all consuming and, as such, can conceivably take us far off course from a life of purpose and meaning.

    The internal world is the world of the spirit. Its voice is quieter and its demands on the human being more subtle and admittedly drowned out by the loud chatter of external pressures. But to ignore the needs of the soul is to ultimately deny one’s raison d’etre — the reason for being on this earth.

    Tzniut is the de-emphasis of the outer self that enables the essential self to emerge. The Almighty, in His great Wisdom, has provided us with the laws of Tzniut, variously translated as modesty, privacy. Better yet, Tzniut is the de-emphasis of the outer self that enables the essential self to emerge. Practically speaking, this means that our behavior in speech, dress, and in the way we carry ourselves should convey the message to ourselves primarily and to others secondarily that I need to be attractive and not attracting.

    Attracting undue attention to my physical self proclaims that the totality of my person inheres in the physical presentation, that what you see is what you get. In contrast, when I am private and modest in my demeanor and to the extent I expose only that which is appropriate, my statement is that my body, important as it is, is no more than a vehicle for my essence. I am making the statement that it is indeed my character, my personality, my attributes which are the expression of the image of God in which I am created.

    Consider the absurd end of the spectrum — the tabloids and the various magazines at the checkout counters, the flaunting of flesh that screams “Look at me!” “This is who I am!” Where is the sense of the greater dignity that emanates from the fact that one’s essence is drawn from God Himself? Clearly, there is no appreciation that there is so much more to a human being than their configuration which, no matter how impressive, ultimately has no enduring existence. In the end, everything that is physical wanes, dies and decays. It is only our internal spirit which is part and parcel of the Almighty that is eternal and timeless.

    The external world of the hunt is primarily a man’s domain. It is the sphere which man exercises his power and finds fulfillment. It is he, though not exclusively, who has historically been responsible for going out there to make a living by manipulating and exploiting the external environment.

    The thrust of a woman’s life is best captured by King David in the book of Psalms, who states, “the dignity of the daughter of a king is her inwardness.” Hers is the inner stage of life, the private sector, the personal, the home, and by extension the one quintessentially able to connect with the inner springs of her person. Her inner place is the source of her superior ability to relate, to intuit, to perceive, to care, and to nurture. A woman has the greater wherewithal to look inside of herself for fulfillment and true gratification.

    Anne Lindbergh, in her book Gift from the Sea, writes,

    “Woman must be the pioneer in the turning inward for strength. In a sense, she has always been the pioneer. Less able until the last generation, to escape into outward activities, the very limitations of her life forced her to look inward. And from looking inward she gained an inner strength which man in his outward active life, did not as often find. But in our recent efforts to emancipate ourselves, to prove ourselves the equal of man, we have naturally enough perhaps, been drawn to competing him in his outward activities to the neglect of our own inner springs. Why have we been seduced into abandoning this timeless inner strength of woman, for the temporal strength of man? The outer strength of man is essential to the pattern, but even here the reign of purely outer strengths and purely outward solutions seem to be waning today. Men, too, are being forced to look inward — to find inner solutions as well as outer ones. Perhaps, this change marks a new stage of maturity for modern, extrovert, activist, materialistic man. Can it be that he is beginning to realize that the Kingdom of Heaven is from within?”

    Often times, the stimulus for a woman to go inward and to connect to her core are life changing events, such as life threatening illnesses (God forbid), losses, and various forms of adversity. Something that challenges the status quo motivates her to take stock and evaluate the authenticity of her life.

    Hair covering serves as a constant reminder for a woman to focus on the inner beauty inside of her.For observant women who are tuned in and listen carefully, the mitzvah of Tzniut — of dressing modestly and covering one’s hair after marriage — serve as a powerful medium to raise our consciousness and maintain our awareness that we must be inner directed. The hair, which is a woman’s ‘crowning beauty,’ is covered when a woman leaves the confines of her home. In a sense, her full beauty is reserved exclusively for her husband. The foreign object, be it a hat or wig, no matter how attractive, is foreign, nonetheless, and constantly reminds a woman to focus on the inner beauty inside of her.

    In a behavioral way when we go out there to interface with the powerful world of illusion, we center ourselves with a reality check. We cover our hair in an attempt to somewhat conceal our external selves, so that we might reveal and plug into the internal.

    The commentators note that a woman covers her eyes when she lights the Shabbat candles, to block out the external world — that which is only virtual reality — so that she might apprehend the true, real world of the spirit. Similarly, when we recite the Shema, our ultimate statement of faith in God, we cover our eyes to our immediate external surroundings and move deep inside of ourselves to get in touch with what is real and enduring.

    Assuredly, observant women must take care to always look pleasant, clean and appealing. Not to do so would reflect negatively on the God whose imprint she bears.

    Bottom line, the concept of Tzniut cautions us that to get seduced by a culture that is obsessed with externalities is to abandon our very core and essence.

    My husband has suggested the following additional philosophic framework for covering one’s hair. Hair, in Jewish sources, is representative of the Yetzer Harah, the base inclination. Consider Esau, Jacob’s evil twin brother who has born hairy, furry, animalistic. Hair grows in the areas of our body that are most closely associated with appetites that require discipline and self-control; the mouth, pubic area, the head, the brain. While we cannot control whether hair will grow or not, we can choose our response to the challenge it represents.

    The domain in the male in his service to God is within the sanctification of time. It is preferably he who should usher in the Sabbath and holidays by the recitation of the Kiddush. The Nazir, who takes on a vow to abstain from wine and live in a heightened sense of purity, lets his hair grow for 30 days. Hence, in responding to the challenge of hair which represents unbridled appetite, a man is required to deal with it in time. He cuts his hair before holidays. A Kohen Gadol, (high priest) had to cut his hair once a week. A king was required by Jewish law to cut his hair every day. All of these are time connected.

    The Jewish woman’s role is seen within the sanctification of space — the space of the home, the womb, etc. The woman expresses her understanding of the need to govern her Yetzer Harah, i.e. the growth of hair that symbolizes appetite, by creating a space around her head. Thus, by exercising her prerogative as the sanctifier of space, she creates a boundary around her head through the covering she wears.

    Whether this approach resonates with you or not, when a married woman chooses to abide by the requirements of Halacha, (Jewish law) to cover her hair, when she leaves the context of her home, one thing is very clear: Covering one’s hair is a very cogent reminder, moment to moment, that she is a married woman. Regardless of how attractive that hair covering might be [it may even be more attractive than one’s own hair], it is, nonetheless, a foreign object which creates an undeniable awareness of one’s marital status. Especially in our times when the barriers to the genders interacting freely have been removed and the opportunities, both socially and in the workplace, abound, there can never be too many reminders that we are committed to the exclusive covenant of our marriage.

    #768441

    u have to cover your hair plain and simple there is no way around it… if you want to follow the Torah that is. If you are trying to find a way out by using the fact that some shaitels arent tznious as an excuse not to wear them you are only fooling yourself.

    #768442
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    thank you wolf

    i appreciate the correction

    i try to be makpid on capitalization

    You’re welcome. I’m sorry to be a pain about it (I know it’s far from the first time I’ve corrected someone on these boards regarding this matter), but it’s a pet peeve of mine.

    Also, you didn’t have to leave my post up. I would have been fine with you simply correcting your post and deleting mine.

    The Wolf

    #768443
    s2021
    Member

    Do u have a problem with ppl with long gorgeous hair? The issue is that its hard for a woman to stop once she starts beautifying herself. Its not the wigs fault.

    #768444
    smartcookie
    Member

    It’s a Halacha to cover one’s hair when married. Doesn’t make it right to put on a very beautiful, natural looking looking Sheitel, but that’s a whole different story.

    #768445
    golden mom
    Member

    First in tanach a couple of times it talks of women covering their hair. U all keep on saying covering hair what about shaving were did that come from and second what’s better looking great (like a true bas melech such do) with a great wig or wearing a terrible wig or messy wig on purpose so it should look wiggy

    #768446

    Mod-80,

    “there is a command from the Commander! to cover ones hair.”

    It so bothers me that you used an exclamation point in middle of a sentence, because grammatically the punctuation mark signifies the end of a sentence.

    #768447
    Health
    Participant

    Covering one’s hair after marriage is required by Halacha. Dressing not so “out there”, including these types of shaitels are gedarim. Gedarim are something that is the way people are brought up with. You can’t compare the two. If you were brought up to only wear a tichel -fine, but don’t go tell everyone else they have to also. The same thing with these long human-hair shaitels. If you feel that isn’t the way a frum person should dress, so fine -don’t. But don’t put your gedarim on others!

    If you have a good friend and you want to tell her what you believe in, then you can. But you can’t tell the public at large –

    “If you wear a long human-hair shaitel, then it’s just like your hair isn’t covered”!

    #768448

    im sorry it bothered you but i am not interested in grammar when it gets in the way of clarity of expression

    #768449

    or if it requires me to use the shift key

    #768450
    charliehall
    Participant

    “there is a command from the Commander! to cover ones hair”

    Actually there are more sources who say that the commandment is not from the Commander but from the Rabbis. Rav Broyde wrote an 80+ page essay where he brings down all the sources — machmir and meikel. There is close to universal agreement, however, that it IS halachah, with only three 20th century poskim disagreeing.

    #768452

    we were commanded to follow the Rabbaim

    #768453

    To Mod:

    “im sorry it bothered you but i am not interested in grammar when it gets in the way of clarity of expression”

    There is no clarity of expression if the reader cannot even get through the sentence as a whole because you’ve decided to break it in middle. Shame on you.

    #768454

    i am interested in expressing myself

    how you dear reader respond is your! problem

    #768455

    but please dont make remarks like shame on you! to myself or other posters.

    #768456
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    I think OP was asking why people look down on women who cover their hair with something other than a wig.

    #768457

    married women wearing no wig

    possible but it doesnt seem so. the op probably would have referred to a tichel or scarf.

    its fairly clear to me, or at least thats how the op made it seem, that the reference was to no covering.

    #768458
    Health
    Participant

    Mod 80 – I agree. I got the impression the OP was saying that wearing beautiful-natural looking wigs is equal to Not covering your hair at all!

    #768459
    adorable
    Participant

    health- i thought the same as you

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