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Can someone please respond to “alwaysaskquestions’ comment, I thought he had a good point. I’m curious to see if anyone has a rebuttal
Yay, we have a new Chabad fanatic to discuss things with! This thread is about to get completely derailed.
Rebbetzin Yehudit Chana Chaya: why do you call the Luibavitcher Rebbe Hashem’s son, and with a capital S? Isn’t that a Christian belief? They believe Jesus was the son of God (obviously a huge error) – are you one of the Christian Chabadniks, who believes the Rebbe was divine, and you’re awaiting his second coming?yehudit,
Do you actually believe that you “gave myself to H”M and His Son, Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson”?
What does that mean and which religion do you belong to?
Apukorma you lost me at “show off” being a decent human being means remaining humble.
Extreme wealth creates lots of problems
Disconnect from basic hardship which makes people huaghty. Extreme social expectations for who’s on the in crowd making it harder for anyone to measure up to the status qoa. And a big one being cruel to the poor because of lack of humanity.
That’s a big one.Rescue- there is a concept of not being a stumbling block before the blind….
So according to you women don’t need to bother to be modest since men can’t control their feelings of attraction anyways?
This is not a torah oriented way of thinking. Women are required to be as modest as possible and men need to guard their eyes too. But women have a responsibility to try to ensure that they do not dress and cover their hair in a manner that entices men and causes them to have hihurim.
Chazal classified the hair of a married woman as ervah- the Terumas Hadeshen explains that the reason why the Torah commanded a married woman to cover her hair in public is because it is pritzus d’gavra, an attraction to men. Since the hair of a married woman beautifies her, is attractive to men and can cause them to sin, it must be covered. A male is forbidden to see a married woman’s hair, since it causes sinful thoughts about her which are forbidden.
An unmarried girl need not cover her hair. The Torah did not obligate her to cover it- although it adds charm to her appearance, since she is not an eishes ish and therefore has no need to hide this part of her chein in public. The Torah requires a married woman to conceal her hair from the eyes of the public in order to lessen attraction to herself, because once she is married, she may neither attract attention to herself nor may any man, other than her husband, enjoy her beauty.
So if we are going to be intellectually honest here, wigs today usually cause women to look more attractive, not less. They only attract men’s attention, therefore they are not modest head coverings but another item of beauty, fashion and glamour worn only to provoke.An interesting point to note that this need to cover the hair in public stems from Chava, who after causing her husband Adam to sin, was told that she must cover her hair (similar to the need to be covered post-sin) (Eruvin 100b). Had she not sinned, the lure of her natural beauty would not have become a trigger for men to falter (Oz V’hadar Levusha page 244:H)
A great resource of info about the topic of hair covering:To DaMoshe and GadolHadofi
You beat me to the punch. Of course, the Chabad apologists will call her just another crazy that we should ignore as exceptions to the rule. Hameivin yavin
BaruchLesin: Tznius is not about a woman not causing a man to sin. Tznius is valuable in and of itself, even with no men present.
Also, you have repeatedly quoted from R’ Falk’s book, Oz V’hadar Levusha. Mori v’Rebbe, R’ Bender shlita, told me straight out that this book is terrible, and he wouldn’t recommend it to anyone. It takes pretty much every known chumrah in this area, and presents it as basic halachah. He told me it has done more to drive people away from tznius than almost anything else, because it scares them away.Baruchlesin
No I’m being realistic and saying no matter how much you try to control the narrative. Dressing up is important to woman. And your never going to change anything lol. It’s unrealistic to say they need to wear a burka which is literally what your saying in different words.
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