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Erva can actually be used both ways. It can describe a halachik status or a specific body part.
“I thought erva was a halachic status, not necessarily a visual thing. You can’t see “erva” itself, you see body parts or hair that IS erva.”
but whats the reason for the Halacha? so that a man should be able to tell the difference between a girl and a woman. if we wear shaitels that look like our hair we are defeating the purpose.
about daughters of dignity it is written by someone friedman. but the names of the gedolim who she quoted i’ll post bl”n some other time. i do rememeber though, they were chassidish and litvish gedolim.
OK Squeak, I will trust you.
The reason for the halacha is that hair is erva. Period. [At least that’s the way I was taught] Otherwise, single women would not be allowed to wear hats ever as its a sign of being married. Or a woman could just wear a large sandwichboard sign that says “I’m married” (and sell advertising on it to make more money).
The reason for the halacha is that hair is erva. Period. [At least that’s the way I was taught] Otherwise, single women would not be allowed to wear hats ever as its a sign of being married. Or a woman could just wear a large sandwichboard sign that says “I’m married” (and sell advertising on it to make more money).
Or a ring.
Sefer Ba’akavot Rochel (AKA daughters of dignity), as I have said before, (and as the cover states) is more of a “Hashkafa” sefer than a “Halacha” sefer.
Not as if there is anything wrong with Hashkafa, C”V.
SJS: Tznius for women as defined in this day and age stems from multiple reasons. You are discussing the “Brachos by men” aspect.
I think ASF is discussing the “hirhurrim by men” aspect (correct me if I am wrong).
From the sales website: http://guardyourtongueanddignity.com
Emphasis mine.
the book has hashkafa as well as halacha…
“Otherwise, single women would not be allowed to wear hats ever as its a sign of being married”
there is no issur for a girl to look like as is shes married. i once hears an interesting p’shat on the idea why a divorced woman should cover her hair…
before someone gets married they feel like they have to look pretty so they should get attracted to a man. so the rabbonim were matur for a girl to have her hair. (I heard there are sefardim who make the girls cover their hair)but when a woman is divorced she realizes that it isnt her beauty that will bring her a successful marriage. (I know there are rabbonim that let divorced women uncover their hair-it was just a thought on the topic i once heard)
And I heard that the purpose of the head covering (shaitel or otherwise) is to remind the WOMAN herself that she is an eishes ish, so she will not behave in an unseemly way. If that is true, then it makes no difference how realistic the wig looks. She is well aware of it at all times. Even the most comfortable wig is still REALLY THERE. We are always aware of it.
oomis1105 – “And I heard that the purpose of the head covering (shaitel or otherwise) is to remind the WOMAN herself that she is an eishes ish, so she will not behave in an unseemly way. If that is true, then it makes no difference how realistic the wig looks. She is well aware of it at all times. Even the most comfortable wig is still REALLY THERE. We are always aware of it. “
This may be an additional hashkafadic point of wearing a sheitel, bu it is certainly not the halachic reason that a sheitel is worn.
No, the halachic reason for covering the hair (NOT necessarily with a sheitel) is that Hashem commands it.
Only a married woman’s actual hair has the status of erva. A wig does not. I even heard, but cannot assert that it is correct, that a wig made from her own hair is also not erva.
the reason for EVERY Mitzvah is because Hashem commands it, but most Mitzvahs have reasons or taamim, which is the same word as “taste” as well as “reason”
just like we eat to stay alive, but the taam of the food gives us pleasure and helps us to eat, so too we do Mitzvahs because we are commanded but the taam of the Mitzvah helps us to do it and gives us pleasure when we do.
The point I was making is we do not need to search for the reason (and possibly come up with an erroneous one in the process). The reason is that Hashem said so.
youre right we shouldnt use our own seichel in searching for reasons. but reasons are of critical importance in poskining shailos of course, for those that have daas Torah and are able to paskin.
and reasons are also valid in discussions like this when based on daas Torah. IF the reason given by mw13 IS valid, with a mikor, then it is reasonable to use it as a basis for an argument. IF it has a Torah source.
but your point: “The reason is that Hashem said so.” is of course a beautiful point, and the essence of Emes, that we should always try to keep in mind. thank you for writing it.
You are welcome. Sometimes, as with ANY parent, kal v’chomer with haKadosh Poruch Hu, we must do things just because they said so. We have many mitzvos that are chukim, that fit that category. Parah Adumah, Shiluach Hakan, are but two that come to mind.
BTW, it actually was a rov who told me what I had posted about the shaitel or head covering being for the benefit of reminding the woman herself of her married status, because it is a permanent physical change that she must accept upon herself.
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