Shnayim Mikra v'Echad Targum
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September 8, 2011 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #599271Abe CohenParticipant
When being shnayim mikra v’echad targum (“marbe sedra”), after saying each pasuk (by pasuk) twice and Targum Onkeles once, should Rashi be added as well?September 8, 2011 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #879544
I think the phrase you’re looking for is “Ma’avir Sedra”. And while you are for sure Yotzei with either Rashi or Onkeles, many recommend doing both.September 8, 2011 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #879545deiyezoogerMember
In Sh”A it says that one can be yotzah with eighter one of them but a yerei shamayim does both.September 8, 2011 10:24 pm at 10:24 pm #879546ObaminatorMember
Is saying it every week a chiyuv?
If I recall correctly, it should be said between Wednesday and the following Sunday. Or am I mixing the days up?
Also, aren’t there two different shittas whether to say it pasuk by pasuk or to say it parsha by parsha? (Or is the latter the lazy way?)September 8, 2011 10:54 pm at 10:54 pm #879547
There are several Shittos about how to do it. Both are fine. There are also several opinions as to when to do it. Some do an Aliyah a day, some all on Friday, some all the Shabbos afternoon before. I have seen many common practices about this.September 9, 2011 10:41 am at 10:41 am #879548on the ballParticipant
I think the main thing is to finish it by the time leining in Shul is over or at least before Shabos lunch.September 9, 2011 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #879549
Correct, the Shulchan Aruch does say that one shouldn’t eat on Shabbos (lunch) before they finish. And the Gemara calls it “finishing the Parsha with the Tzibbor”.September 9, 2011 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #879550ObaminatorMember
So, then, being Maavir Sedra is a halachic obligation, if the S”A cites it. BTW, what is the etymology of “Maavir Sedra”?
Also, isn’t there a shitta that it can be finished later on Shabbos or even Motzei Shabbos?September 9, 2011 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #879551yitayningwutParticipant
ma’avir – to go over
sedra – the parshaSeptember 9, 2011 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #879552
B’dieved you have until Tuesday. It is assumed to be an obligation. The Gemara doesn’t say it like that but says you get long life for doing it. Very few Rishonim read it as being optional, especially if one is a Talmid Chacham and wants to learn Gemara instead. It is a very minority opinion though.September 9, 2011 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #879553kakoParticipant
It is indeed a chiyuv. Lechaschila it should be finished before the first meal on Shabbos. If not, I think it can be completed until Tuesday. Worst-case scenario before Simchas Torah.May 6, 2012 4:59 pm at 4:59 pm #879554147Participant
I bought a Sefer Torah so that I can read my Shenayyim bMikro from a Sefer Torah, which I feel to be more Kovadik, than just reading my Shenyim bMikro from a printed Chumash.
In light of this, I read the entire Parsho in 1 shot, and then do the entire Targum Unklus in 1 shot, because it would be too cumbersome after each Posuk to close my Sefer Torah, and read the Targum Unklus in the Chumash, and to re-open my Sefer Torah.
I also find double Parshoyos to be very cumbersome, and don’t feel I require 3 week breaks, so I have been performing My Shenayim b’Mikro vEchod bTargum based on the Israeli schedule, which is working very nicely. I have followed this procedure numerous times in past years when this set up occurs, be it post Shovu’os or post Pesach.May 6, 2012 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #8795552scentsParticipant
Why does reading from a torah make you feel more Kovadig?May 6, 2012 5:12 pm at 5:12 pm #879556HolyMoeParticipant
According to the way you do it, how do you explain the original Maamar ChaZa”L that a person should be Maavir the Parsha IM HATZIBUR.
The Tzibur – that you are a part of – is doing a totally different Parsha that week.
Perhaps you should ask a Rav.May 6, 2012 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #879557147Participant
Doesn’t make me feel more Kovadik; This is the absolute last thing I would ever be running after. I meant, Kovadik for the Mitzwa of Shenayim b’Mikro.
Maybe I should have employed the phrase:- Feels more of a Hiddur Mitzwah.May 6, 2012 5:18 pm at 5:18 pm #879558mermaidMember
Since when can you recreate your own rules?May 6, 2012 5:23 pm at 5:23 pm #879559
Mermaid: There’s nothing wrong with it. Why can’t he do the Mitzvah in a way that he enjoys more?June 13, 2012 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #879560ChortkovParticipant
You can start from Shabbos after mincha, and carry through till tuesday after the following shabbos. If you miss it, you can make it up by Simchas Torah.
The mishna bruro says it is almost impossible to be yotzei the parshiyos of vayikra without rash”i – you don’t understand the possuk or the targum without rashi.June 13, 2012 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #879561HaLeiViParticipant
The Satmer Rebbe used to be Maavir Sedra from a Sefer Torah. I’ve heard of other Gedolim who did that, too.
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