November 19, 2019 2:12 pm at 2:12 pm #1802117JoeshmoParticipant
Should a bochur have a beard? What if he is in yeshiva and he wants to have it, but his Rebbeim tell him to take it off?
Is shaving really permitted in any shita?November 19, 2019 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #1802137lakewhutParticipant
Shaving, not. Cutting, yes.November 19, 2019 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1802139GadolhadorahParticipant
Why would his rebbeim instruct a yeshiva bochur to shave his beard unless, of course, he is doing it to call attention to himself? Alternatively, would he also tell him that while he is home shaving, also change his blue shirt to white?November 19, 2019 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1802140
No there are no kosher shavers at all. take a look at koshershavers.com .November 19, 2019 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #1802149WhatsaktomeParticipant
Shaving is technically permitted according to many opinions, but I think everyone would agree that it’s better not to shaveNovember 19, 2019 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #1802178lowerourtuition11210Participant
Depends on the age of the bochur. In my mesivta days in the mid 1970’s, the mesivta bochurim in my yeshiva were not allowed to have beards. Shaving was considered normal back them. And yes the shavers were not lift and cut.November 19, 2019 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #1802173Yabia OmerParticipant
Why is everything with”grum” world so superficial and outwardly?November 19, 2019 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #1802175lakewhutParticipant
Actually many would say today to shaveNovember 19, 2019 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #1802177haskafahParticipant
Zoomer when did you become the poske acharon.
Reb Moshe ztzl you to have people come and show them there shavers. He was known to test them on his arm seeing how it cut the hair. There are 2 organizations that have poskim/rabbanim that check and create appliances for the frum vely. They have a list that give you the names of shavers they found to be acceptable. Paskin for your not evryone else.November 19, 2019 5:26 pm at 5:26 pm #1802179
no shavers are asur thats it final no other opinionsNovember 19, 2019 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1802209reform rabbiParticipant
A bachur should keep his facial hair however he wants. If he wants to keep it in conformity with jewish tradition – then grow it. If he wants to look 20th century – then shave it.
If the yeshiva tries to dictate matters of personal taste such as facial hair, then you shouldn’t go to that yeshiva!November 19, 2019 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm #1802279ChossidParticipant
This is the book Hadras Ponim Zokein, if you want to know what poskim hold regarding shaving.
Be aware if you read it you might just feel guilty shaving.
(Even if you say it was written with an agenda. He brings the actual tzshuvaois so there’s nothing really to argue about).
Also lately there was a video posted (if I’m not misstakin) of Harav Kaniefski telling someone to cut his tshup and grow his beard).November 19, 2019 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1802304knaidlachParticipant
i never understood it. there are so many shitos of gedolei yisroel that shaving is an isur min hatora. why wouldnt shomrei tora umitsva behidur keep that? why choose the shitos who are maikel when so many shitos are machmir?November 19, 2019 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #1802329YW Moderator-29 👨💻Moderator
That’s 4 different screennames in 2 threads. Not a record yet…November 20, 2019 6:54 am at 6:54 am #1802398GadolhadorahParticipant
There are apps which use AI to compare word usage, style, spelling an grammatical errors etc. to provide an estimated probability of several postings have been made by the same individual. You have to select one of the postings as a “baseline” and then compare comments posted by indiviuals with other screen names and you will get a readout of which of those postings have the highest probability of having been posted by your baseline poster. How accurate are they??? Well, whats the likelihood of Reb Yosef, Charlie Hall and chabadshalucha being the same person???November 20, 2019 6:55 am at 6:55 am #1802403charliehallParticipant
I personally think all males beyond bar mitzvah age should have beards. I last shaved in 1986.November 20, 2019 6:56 am at 6:56 am #1802441BenephraimParticipant
Please remember that the חפץ חיים was against but others in the משפחת הרב were for. The עולם התורה in Europe were מתיר.So too רב הערש פסח permitted. As did Harav Paleyeff in יצחק אלחנן.November 20, 2019 10:39 am at 10:39 am #1802500JosephParticipant
GHD: How’d you figure out that Charlie is my alter ego? Was it me posting as Charlie calling for a rule of no-shaving post-Bar Mitzvah?November 20, 2019 10:54 am at 10:54 am #1802546
The Shulchan Aruch permits shaving (non-razor of course). There are opinions that shaving (without a razor) is patur aval asur. There’s nothing wrong with having a beard (according the vast majority). Both shaving and not shaving are well within normal halachic practice. The bochur should do whatever he wants.November 20, 2019 11:34 am at 11:34 am #1802593JosephParticipant
Benig: How can you advocate doing whatever you want after acknowledging it’s assur (avul patur)?November 20, 2019 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm #1802603
I think you misunderstood what I wrote. The Shulchan Aruch (and Rama) hold that it is mutar. There are other opinions that argue and hold patur aval asur. There is nothing wrong with relying on the Shulchan Aruch and shaving.November 20, 2019 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm #1802657Reb EliezerParticipant
See the Chasam Sofer O’CH 159. Thw minhag was that bachurim shaved.November 20, 2019 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1802658hujuParticipant
Bochurs should not have beards if they need glue.November 20, 2019 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1802660Uncle BenParticipant
Benig; The Shulchan Aruch permits cutting the beard with scissors “ke’ayn ta’ar”.
The question Poskim deal with is if certain shavers go beyond that and are like an actual ta’ar.November 20, 2019 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1802663knaidlachParticipant
BENIGNUMA. “the bachur should do whatever he wants” ????????? we were taught to do what HASHEM wants not what WE want. even according to the shitos who are matir, its obvious that being machmir to be yotshe the shitos who are machmir is hvodas HASHEM, letting your beard grow is serving HASHEM, doing it for HASHEM, and shaving is for YOURSELF.November 20, 2019 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #1802682WhatsaktomeParticipant
Uncle ben: there are poskim which say that any shaving is prohibited including what the shulchan aruch is matirNovember 20, 2019 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #1802688
“K’ayn ta’ar” means “like an actual ta’ar but not an actual ta’ar.” Some have argued that some modern shavers are halachically “ta’ar.” Which is why people bring shavers to a Rav to check out. The spinning blade shavers never get super close though.November 20, 2019 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #1802687laughingParticipant
Matza ball – Hashem gave us b’chirat chofsheet. So an individual can make any decision they want. Though you can make the argument that any decision you make has been preordained.November 20, 2019 3:56 pm at 3:56 pm #1802708CTRebbeParticipant
I don’t think Joseph, Charlie Hall and chabadshalucha could be the same person. No one could have that much time on their hands to make all those comments. Unless of course he/she is paid employees of YWN who writes all day in the coffee room to give it more life and get people upset.
HmmmmNovember 20, 2019 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #1802713CTLAWYERParticipant
My brothers and I all had full beards from the age of 16. My 12th grade rebbe told me it was inappropriate for a high school bochur in his class. Mt father Z”L came in to see the menahel. He told the menahel that the baby raced rebbe was jealous that I could raise a full beard and he couldn’t. The menahel and my father had a good laugh and the subject was never brought up again.November 20, 2019 4:15 pm at 4:15 pm #1802717
I simply meant that he has both options available to him. He should follow his netias neshoma. Being machmir is not always avodas Hashem. Every chumrah has ramifications that need to be weighed before being taken. Additionally, taking on a chumrah without learning the sugya and having a netiya towards the shittos that are machmir is not avodas Hashem–it is amaratzus.November 20, 2019 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1802739CJFParticipant
I believe ever bochur should have a huge beard a shaved head (except the payos) wear leather jackets and ride Harley Davidsons. 🙂November 20, 2019 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #1802742YOYParticipant
What does that mean?November 20, 2019 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #1802751
i totaly agree with CJF but everyone also has a shotgunNovember 20, 2019 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #1802784YoelParticipant
R’ Moshe got furious when he saw the Sefer Hadras Ponim Zaken.November 20, 2019 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm #1802804☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Matza ball – Hashem gave us b’chirat chofsheet. So an individual can make any decision they want. Though you can make the argument that any decision you make has been preordained.
No, you can’t make the argument that our choices are preordained, since we have bechirah.November 21, 2019 9:15 am at 9:15 am #1802832klugeryidParticipant
Thanks for clearing that right up.
Many ראשונים say that’s a conundrum that no human mind can untangle.
But now we are smooth sailing
Thanks 😊November 21, 2019 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #1803022Reb EliezerParticipant
The Rambam questions if Hashem’s knowledge affects our free choice. He answers that it is beyond our understanding that it does not. I think Hashem knows how our mind operates and what our final decision will be without affecting our decision.
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