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Many publishers of periodicals and websites include a caveat along the lines of “all shailos should be asked to your LOR” (Yeshiva World is to be commended for “….ask a Rov” although “Posek would be much better)
I strongly belive that the phrase “Local Orthodox Rabbi & its abreviation LOR” should be replaced by something like “Your Personal Halachic advisor” LOR is so vague
How Orthodox is the LOR? How knowlegable is he in areas other the run of the mill Issur V’Heter? An example I do not ask my Dayan any shailos regarding technology, great Talmid Chachom,Yorei Shamyim and More Hoaroah that he is. He just not have the knack for technology.
What does a Sefardi do if he happens to be in a community whose “local Orthodox Rabbi” learned in Ashkenazi yehivos & had shimush under Ashkenazim? How proficent is this LOR in the Peaskim of Chacham Ovadia Shlita and other contemporay Sefardi Poskim?
great point, okay, from now on everyone please replace LOR by: “YLEIHQTGAPITPAOHIWYHTSSAWPATYAH”
your local expert in Halacha, qualified to give a psak in the particular area of Halacha in which you have this specific shaila, and who Poskins according to your ancestral heritage.
“Your Personal Halachic advisor” as you suggested if far too nonspecific and could be interpreted in different ways. I think with my suggestion there is no room for misunderstanding.
You are nitpicking. LOR is perfectly acceptable. Not all Jews in America live in NYC where your LOR is on your block and if you really need more halachic proficiency you just go around the corner. If someone has a bad cold or fly you go to your local doctor. If it’s more than that he sends you to a spcialist. Halacho questions aren’t any different. The big problem here is that every other guy who knows a little halacho and can be a good melakeit puts out a sefer and puts in a caveat, this sefer shouldn’t be used to paskin, go to your LOR. Every Jewish site publishes articles on every sugya in shas and then says, ask your LOR. The Jewish web sites are all doing it l’shem shomayim, to help people. But they can’t write every halachic nuance that can occur so they say LOR. There is no other choice. And as Mod-80 says, not even the great poskim are perfectly aware of all aspects of modern living to paskin perfectly.
LOR is fine, if he doesnt know he wont pasken and he will tell you who does know and who to call, my Rav is a big posek but there are certain topics that he isnt the most knowledgeable in and for those shailos he tells me who to call.
My LOR is very knowledgeable and when he can’t poskin a shilah he goes to the renowned poskim. There is nothing wrong here with either the process or the terminology.
According to R’ Shlomo Aviner, if a person is yodea sefer and can learn poskim on a particular issue, than they don’t have to ask a rov. A rov should be asked in all cases that are complicated, especially. It depends on how well a person knows the mekoros and the metziut. If it is a compelx issue, ask, if it is something like I used a milchig ladle to serve chicken soup, than the answer can be found in any array of seforim that are widely available.
Although I suppose “consult you Posek” is technically more accurate than LOR, I think the vast majority of people will consult the same person no matter what you call him.
I think the vast majority of people will consult the same person no matter what you call him.
i actually used to consult a well known Posek but since someone once wrote to “ask your LOR” i now go to any local orthodox Rabbi. i always take everything literally and do whatever some stranger on the internet tells me. thats why i agree that this is a very important issue.
thats why we really should change it to: YLEIHQTGAPITPAOHIWYHTSSAWPATYAH
im sure we can stop everyone in the world from using this archaic and easily misunderstood “LOR” if we decide the matter here
shall we take a vote?
Mr. 80 YLEIHQTGAPITPAOHIWYHTSSAWPATYAH sounds fine but its a mouthful! maybe just use the first and last letter of the mumblejumble to Y”H?
And all this time I’m thinking LOR is a reference to the Life Of Rily, one of the all time great radio shows. Go figure.
no blinky
this is too important to take a chance on any misunderstanding.
people might think you mean to consult your “youth hostel”
or “young husband” or even “Yitzchak Horowitz”
Life Of Reilly belongs in a shidduch thread.
You’re Hillarious!!!!!
Is YLEIHQTGAPITPAOHIWYHTSSAWPATYAH your Polish friend? Or was that Superman’s nemesis friend with the black cloud over his head?
YLEIHQTGAPITPAOHIWYHTSSAWPATYAH. Sounds like the name of the last Dell customer service rep I spoke with.
Thank you for putting that here.
My point is that there is, to a degree, the presence of halachic specialists, who know the metziut on a particular area inside and out so well that they are the ones we should hold by. For example, while Rav Beslky doesn;t have a college degree, he has an incredible knowledge of bovine anatomy and physiology that is needed for one to know hilchos treifos and Maseches Chullin well.
In general you will get a more “right wing” answer from the YWN Coffeeroom and a more “moderate” answer from your LOR.
At least that has been my own personal experience.
My experience has been the opposite.
“In general you will get a more “right wing” answer from the YWN Coffeeroom and a more “moderate” answer from your LOR. At least that has been my own personal experience.”
What does that have to do with this anything? This thread was opened questioning whether the terminology we use in certain cases is correct, not whether the CR is too right-wing or not.
And besides, as Helpful has shown, experiences vary.
There may be a very important message in personal halachic advisor. IE ESTABLISH A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE
B”H our LOR is a posek who gets calls from around the world.
But I think that the term LOR is understood, not in the literal sense of “local”, but rather as being the Rav you personally ask shialas of, whether he’s your shul’s Rav, a Rosh Yeshiva, your Rebbe from EY, or whomever.
Is YLEIHQTGAPITPAOHIWYHTSSAWPATYAH your Polish friend? Or was that Superman’s nemesis friend with the black cloud over his head”
Mr. Mxyzptlk…I think
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