December 21, 2008 1:43 am at 1:43 am #831550noitallmrParticipant
Y.W. Editor- Thanx for filtering this site from the Shtus!
Keep up the gr8 workDecember 21, 2008 1:49 am at 1:49 am #831551dont have internetMember
just out of curiuosity -if u dont want to post this u dont have to -im not trying to be yelling or not respectfull-it says blocked under the persons name if hes been banned from posting? im really just trying to understand not be all u know….December 21, 2008 1:51 am at 1:51 am #831552yankdownunderMember
What I do not understand is some of the people playing sports industry are Jewish. If they are playing ball on Shabbos is this good? Why invest a thread to Jewish sports players who are violating Shabbos on a Frum Web Site? Time would be better spent to mikarv them. After all we are responsible for each other.December 21, 2008 2:00 am at 2:00 am #831553modernduckMember
People are going to find out the sport things anyway so you might as well have it on a kosher website where it will be moderated by our choshuve Y.W. Moderators.December 21, 2008 5:51 am at 5:51 am #831554asdfghjklParticipant
i love sorts so YES!!!!!! how are the yankees doin these days??? since i moved to ireland i havn’t followed them that much!!!!December 21, 2008 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm #831555notpashutMember
NotPashut: With all due respect, what you wrote, is one of the dumbest thing I have ever read.
Jphone, I suspect you may have misinterpreted whatever it is that spurred such a comment, being that I can’t even figure out which post of mine you are reffering to.December 21, 2008 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #831556
Ya know what:
this is the sillyest thing I ever heard of.
Did Yated/Hamodia/Mishpacha ever include a survey in their newspaper/magazine on whether their readers feel a certain topic should be included or not? I think the one running this site should decide for himself if he has any backbone and not go and find out what the readers’ responses will be. It should be based on your principals(les?) not on whether or not people will get angry or not.
Unless, you just figured it would be a good thread and really have no intentions on following up.December 22, 2008 5:22 am at 5:22 am #831557
actualy on another point, hamodia once ran an artical in their magazine about sports, and why they don’t have in their newspaper.December 23, 2008 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #831558
Nuuuuu??? Where is the Sports thread?December 23, 2008 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #831559
YROS: This isn’t Hamodia.December 23, 2008 6:34 pm at 6:34 pm #831560bigmoParticipant
Why not? It is a healthy conversation topic which, as numerous bloggers have posted, is clean. On the issue of idolizing, why should those few who lack a life take away a good, solid, conversation topic?December 23, 2008 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #831561A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipant
No one ever clarified whether this potential thread (which is a thread anyway) would be about Yidden playing sports because they need exercise and particularly among the youngsters, recreation.
Or is it about professional sports, as in “Let’s Go Mets!”?
I’m glad in our community we have a yeshiva little league program that allows boys in grades 3-8 to play ball on Sunday afternoons. They really need an outlet, and team sports can teach a lot about proper middos as well.December 23, 2008 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #831562
“They really need an outlet, and team sports can teach a lot about proper middos as well.”
Also provides much needed excercise as we fight the battle of the bulge.December 23, 2008 8:46 pm at 8:46 pm #831563feivelParticipant
sports (im primarily talking about professional sports here) is an extremely interesting inyin
if you look at it closely, analyze what it is, objectively, it is clearly nothing, pure hevel, nothing at all. im not going to do such analysis here, but it is very easy.
people live for it,
it can be the focus of their entire lives.
and for others it can be extremely important or at least hold all their attention and interest for a long time.
many billions of dollars are spent on it.
yet it is pure meaninglessness
it is, in my opinion, the ultimate mashul for the Yetzer Horah.
i dont mean to say sports is “evil”
i mean its mode of action is (actually more than a mashul) a clear glimpse into the workings of the Yetzer HaRah. gives us a much better understanding of how earlier generations worshipped Avodah Zarah. it seems incomprehensible and ridiculous to us, but we are doing something very similar (at least in its mechanism and ridiculousness)December 23, 2008 9:29 pm at 9:29 pm #831565SJSinNYCMember
I do agree with you. At point, I was following baseball like crazy. I knew every statistic, every player (major and minor leagues)…my mood would change depending on how the Yankees did (I was in a bad mood when they lost an important game). I was really hooked. At a certain point, I weaned myself off of baseball because I was just getting too obsessed.
So, I still generally keep up with the Yankees, but I dont obsess. I like to know how they are approximately doing. I kind of like that they arent good right now, because I am afraid that during the good years, I’ll get hooked again. I enjoy going to a game every once in a while, but I refuse to let myself back in completely. If I find myself really being sucked back in, I will stop being involved with them AT ALL. It was like a drug to me; I have since learnt to control myself but don’t trust myself completely.
I never thought of it as a mashal to avodah zarah, but I think I agree with that.
(Hey, is this history??? I agree with Feivel???)December 24, 2008 11:07 am at 11:07 am #831566
I have to say, I’m very impressed. I can’t understand the sports thing because I was never involved but I think getting rid of an obsession is one of the hardest things!December 24, 2008 1:33 pm at 1:33 pm #831567notpashutMember
Hey RoB – Where’s the Slivovitz?December 24, 2008 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #831568YW Moderator-72Participant
I grew up in a family that enjoyed sports. We were encouraged to be active in all different kinds of sports leagues – I was involved in bowling, football, basketball, soccer and baseball leagues at various times. Playing sports for fun, exercise and even competition is fine. Spending hours reading up on the latest deals, trades and statistics is not the ideal (to say the least).December 24, 2008 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #831569amichaiParticipant
ok, there you have your answer. its up to the moderators (who else)to decide how far in we can go with the sports. do we discuss names and sports players or just scores and home runs. shouldn’t be so hard deciding over some yummy hot cocoa and cake.December 24, 2008 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm #831570A Woman Outside BrooklynParticipant
Interesting that this topic came up during the Chanukah season. After all, who is it that glorified sports and invented the Olympics? The Greeks, of course.December 24, 2008 3:24 pm at 3:24 pm #831571SJSinNYCMember
intellegent, its one of the reasons I know that I can control myself. Its because I’ve “recovered” from being an adict, to just following mildly. I know I can do it with baseball, and I know I can do it with other things. I am much more vigilant about watching myself now to make sure that I dont climb down the slipperly slope with other things (yes I am human, but I do a good job of keeping watch – and I have my husband who helps me also).December 24, 2008 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #831572myshadowMember
Asdfjkl, watz in Ireland, what kinda sports are big thereDecember 24, 2008 8:11 pm at 8:11 pm #831573
Sports, as much as a bittul zman as it may be, is no more a bittul zman then blogging and as addicting as it may be, is not as addictive as blogging.December 24, 2008 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #831574goody613Member
I don’t think there should be a sports thread on a yeshivish website but there’s nothing wrong with following sportsDecember 25, 2008 2:38 am at 2:38 am #831575
I’ve never subscribed to the notion that if one is doing something less than desirable (i.e. bitul zman blogging), than the other less than desirable thing (having a sports thread bitul zman) is then ok.
I assume there are those that come to this site for an investment of time to connect with other yidden on a kosher website–to get the news they need to in a kosher forum (without the disgusting advertisements, commercials etc.), and not to be osek in bitul zman.
To have a sports thread, which has some representation of people in this world who are not worthy of our admiration to say the least, I think is beneath the calibur of this website and I strongly plead that it not become a thread in this CR.December 25, 2008 4:28 am at 4:28 am #831576
Dear Editor. when are you opening the Sports thread 🙂
KiruvWife. You get your news from the YW Cofee room? You connect with other yidden in the coofee room, discussing what? Latkes? Parking? You are concerned that sports figures represent “people in this world who are not worthy of our admiration to say the least”, yet you read daily reports on YWN about political, business and other figures in society that are no more or less worthy of our admiration. You may enjoy connecting to yidden over latkes or Rod Blagoiavic. I, and I am sure many others, would enjoy connecting with other yidden while debating the coaches decision to punt from the 48 yard line, on 4th and 1.December 25, 2008 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #831577
jphone, you missed KiruvWife’s first paragraph.December 25, 2008 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #831578
Mr. Jphone—I can’t disagree with you that you would prefer to connect with other yidden debating the coaches decision on a punt, or on whether a screen pass was the best decision, or whether both feet were in bounds within millimeters of the first down marker, or why the offense isn’t self disciplined enough not to jump offsides, etc, etc, etc, (yes, I’m trying to point out that I’m not ignorant when it comes to sports)
So, to answer your couple of questions: Most of the news I get comes from reading the headlines on the YWN homepage….I don’t have time to read in depth the majority of the articles. To me, the word yeshiva seems to be an adjective when it comes to this website and it is indicitave of what it represents….I personally don’t connect to other yidden through the Latke, Blagojavitch, and other political or business fiascos….that’s not where I put my time or interests….I carefully choose what I think will be productive and invest a slice of time in those areas……
B’kitzur: News- Home Page
Connection- carefully selected threads in CR
You can have your opinion and I respect you for it. Mine is to not have a sports thread because of what I feel it represents and what it would do for me……December 25, 2008 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #831579
“I’ve never subscribed to the notion that if one is doing something less than desirable (i.e. bitul zman blogging), than the other less than desirable thing (having a sports thread bitul zman) is then ok.”
This makes an assumption that I disagree with. This assumes that the bittul zman of blogging is somehow not as bad (or is more desireable) than the bittul zman of following sports. Bittul Zman is Bittul Zman.
I believe I addressed this by writing, “You may enjoy connecting to yidden over latkes or Rod Blagoiavic. I, and I am sure many others, would enjoy connecting with other yidden while debating the coaches decision to punt from the 48 yard line, on 4th and 1.”December 25, 2008 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #831580
jphone, KiruvWife’s point stands even if we would agree that both are equally bitul zman.December 25, 2008 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #831581
What point might that be? If you agree that bittul zman is bittul zman, then you waste your time the way you see fit, and I will do the same with mine. KiruvWife will waste her time as she sees fit.
KiruvWife. So, you are stating that you choose what you read and what you dont. I suppose most people online do that. All I am saying to you is, choose not to read a thread on sports.
Editors. All 287 of you (so it seems). Where are you holding in this earth shattering decision of whether or not to have a sports thread on YWN? 🙂December 25, 2008 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #831582
Joseph: You wrote. “KiruvWife’s point stands even if we would agree that both are equally bitul zman.”
What point might that be? I am sure I will disagree with it, but I’d like to know what I am disagreeing with.December 25, 2008 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #831583
jphone, to explain KiruvWife’s point it by way of an extreme analogy, if a Jew G-d forbid is in McDonald’s ordering a cheeseburger, (after being unable to persuade him otherwise) are you going to advise him heck you are eating a cheeseburger anyways so get shtick chazer fieselch with it? I would at least try to dissuade him from the chazer, notwithstanding that he is going to eat a cheeseburger anyways.
This point stands even though we both agree both cheeseburgers and chazir are treif gamur.
(p.s. i am not literally comparing following professional sports to eating chazir. better sports than chazir.)
(p.p.s. the mod has already stated the official position. “Playing sports for fun, excerise and even competition is fine. Spending hours reading up on the latest deals, trades and statistics is not the ideal (to say the least).” at: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/should-the-cr-have-sports-threads/page/2#post-21001 )December 26, 2008 1:36 am at 1:36 am #831584YW Moderator-72Participant
Joseph – this mod (#72) has stated his opinion. I do not think that the other moderators or the editor have weighed in on this issueDecember 26, 2008 2:09 pm at 2:09 pm #831585
“(p.s. i am not literally comparing following professional sports to eating chazir. better sports than chazir.)”
Your analogy is off. If I could not persuade the fellow to stay out of Mcdonalds, I would not, offer him ANOTHER piece of Treif. I would do whatever I could to keep him out of MsDonalds. Once he was in there, I would do what I could to get him out.
Regarding blogging and bittul zman. I would prefer that I did not engage in any bittul zman, BUT if I am going to do it anyway, I would prefer to engage in a discussion about Sports over a discussion about Latkes, Politics and silly news items. You are obviously making the decision that you would prefer to engage in bittul zman discussing other “important topics”.December 29, 2008 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #831586
When will the “YWN Superbowl Party” room” be opened? 🙂December 29, 2008 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #831587
How could a Frum YId talk about the superbowl?!?!December 29, 2008 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #831588postsemgirlMember
Sports is very addictive and can be very bad for people. I was talking to my cousin who told me that he doesn’t know what to do since he is addicted to sports and must hear the game while he doesn’t want his 6 year old son to know he is listening and become addicted. I think it is horrible that people get addicted to sports. It is bittul zman and is against bechukosaihem lo teileich. of course there shouldn’t be a CR thread for sports.December 29, 2008 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #831589Why Do I Even BotherMember
The Superbowl should be the worst thing that Frum Yidden are talking about…December 29, 2008 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm #831591
I feel bad for him. Because most people don’t become addicted on purpose. Since he seems to be open about it, maybe he can sort of appoint someone to sort of be on top of him about it. Like lets say he says that he will not listen from 6 to 8 pm and that person should ask him if he did or not. (this is advice for anyone who has a bad habit they want to break)
Also, I at one point was getting into checking things up online that were really causing me to waste a lot of precious time and although I wasn’t going to anything terribly bad there was nothing for me to lose overthere. I now redesigned my filter that it blocks everything except for what’s on my white list. of course that sounds like a bandaid solution but sometimes a bandaid is what you need until the cut heals. once i got out of it, i lost the interest. the only way i would get back in would be to get access and now I will have a much easier time fighting my yetzer hara.
Maybe it would actually be worth it for your cousin to remove his radio! He can get an alarm clock without radio and can disconnect it from his car. Then again, it might be too drastic and he’ll look for some other way. So maybe he can remove it just from his car, or at work etc.
Of course, as with all other habits, it’s best to not get involved to begin with!December 29, 2008 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #831592
Why do i even bother: What worse are yidden talking about?December 29, 2008 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #831593Why Do I Even BotherMember
I’m going to stick to my name and not answer that moronic question.December 29, 2008 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #831594
please tell me. Maybe I don’t know.December 29, 2008 5:46 pm at 5:46 pm #831595squeakParticipant
There are hundreds of threads and thousands of posts on this site. Start reading.December 29, 2008 5:52 pm at 5:52 pm #831596
squeak: Are you talking to me? If yes, there is nothing unkosher on this site.December 29, 2008 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm #831597beaconParticipant
I don’t think Why Do I Even Bother was referring to this site when he/she made that statement.December 29, 2008 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm #831598
beacon: he wasDecember 29, 2008 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #831599squeakParticipant
sorry folks, but there have been discussions (yes, on this site) that are less parve than the superbowl. Not many, thank goodness.December 30, 2008 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #831600
At the risk of sounding redundant (which I obviously don’t mind being since I’m posting this) just because previous discussions have not been desirable, doesn’t mean we should start other ones that are also undesireable.
Yes, I know that there are those who will disagree and say that a sports discussion is desireable for a myriad of reasons, but those discussions shouldn’t be taking place on this site. Like was mentioned previously, the root of sports and where it evolved from is not where we sincerely wish to invest ourselves. Yes, we all choose where we invest our time, but sports threads on YWN just seems contradictory.
I’m also quite confident that YWN will not be having a sports thread.December 30, 2008 3:33 pm at 3:33 pm #831601
Can someone please explain to me exactly what is “not kosher” about sports in general and the super bowl in particular?
. Yes, sports can be addicting. So can blogging.
. Yes, sports can be inane at times. So is discussing how many sufganiyot you ate.
. Yes, discussing sports can be a tremendous bittul zman. So can blogging about teens and cellphones.
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