September 26, 2011 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #599639
Many Gedolim (Rav Kook zt’l is probably the most known since he wrote a teshuva as such) that women should not have the right vote or hold public office. What do you believe? And please explain your reasoning why you agree or disagree with those gedolim, rather than just state yes or no.September 26, 2011 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm #1085899squeakParticipant
No, because increasing the voter base dilutes the value of my vote.September 26, 2011 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #1085900Sam2Participant
Wow, you’re just asking for people to get their responses modded. Society has changed quite a lot since R’ Kook and the Sridei Aish wrote their T’shuvos. Whether that should change their P’sakim is up to someone a lot more knowledgeable than any of us to decide. I personally see nothing wrong with it but that’s just a personal opinion with no Halachic backing.September 26, 2011 11:38 pm at 11:38 pm #1085901bezalelParticipant
Maybe we should go back to when only white christian landowners could vote.September 27, 2011 12:38 am at 12:38 am #1085902ChupMember
Thanks Betzy for sticking up for us ladies… You hit the nail directly on the head!September 27, 2011 3:56 am at 3:56 am #1085903mustangriderMember
nice one Bez!September 27, 2011 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm #1085904tickle toe eitusMember
In Switzerland women could not vote in many areas until 1990 (only 20 years ago).September 27, 2011 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #1085905apushatayidParticipant
Did Rav Kook write his teshuva regarding E”Y or a country like the United States?
Either way, I prefer that I am the only vote allowed, so that I will always get my way. Unfortunately, others disagree with me.September 27, 2011 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #1085906gavra_at_workParticipant
Maybe we should go back to when only white christian landowners could vote.
You do have a point. Only those who on net contribute to the govenment’s coffers should have the right to vote. Just like there is “no taxation without representation”, there should be “no representation without taxation “.October 23, 2011 7:31 pm at 7:31 pm #1085907akupermaParticipant
In many families the women earn most of the parnassah and are most attuned to worldly matters, so the question should be asked as to whether men should vote. Originally it was argued that spouses would vote together, so you would be giving the husband too votes, but since single men evoke little sympathy that argument didn’t work.October 23, 2011 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1085908
The traditional gender roles in Jewish families is that the husband makes the decisions for the family.October 23, 2011 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1085909
From the sefer “Awake My Glory”, by Hagoen HaRav Avigdor Miller zt’l:
1095. There cannot be two kings. The marriage relationship is two-fold. 1) The wife is submissive. This is not only Jewish but natural. There can be no harmony when there are two commanders. Without this indispensable condition, the home is disordered. “Arrogance is unbecoming a woman” – Megillah 14B. For a man it is not an ornament, but for a woman it is as if she wore a mustache. 2) The second, but equally essential foundation: a man must always demonstrate respect for his wife. This is “the way of Jewish men that… honor and support their wives in truth” as stated in the Jewish marriage contract. “He honors her more than his own body” – Yevamos 62B, Bava Metzia 59A. He is the captain, but she is the First Mate whose counsel is respected. She cannot be made a doormat, she need not beg for money, she deserves some assistance in the house chores, and the husband sides with her against his kin. He must express frequent appreciation and give words of encouragement, and he should remember his wife from time to time with gifts, big or little. Husband and wife should always say “Please” and “Thank You” and never forget to be always polite to each other.October 24, 2011 12:41 am at 12:41 am #10859102scentsParticipant
Love that book. Thanks for quoting it.June 8, 2015 4:22 am at 4:22 am #1085912👑RebYidd23Participant
There are people who are ineligible to vote who pay taxes.June 8, 2015 4:40 am at 4:40 am #1085913JosephParticipant
That’s because being ineligible to vote is not a license to not pay taxes.June 8, 2015 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #1085914Matan1Participant
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Joseph uses Rav Kook to argue that woman shouldn’t vote?June 8, 2015 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #1085915Avram in MDParticipant
Just like there is “no taxation without representation”, there should be “no representation without taxation “.
I know you wrote this 3+ years ago, but you do know that property and income taxes are not the only taxes that exist, right? Even poor people pay sales and utility taxes.June 8, 2015 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm #1085916akupermaParticipant
1. Women own property and pay taxes. In the past that wasn’t always the case. Women used to be less educated then men, but that is no longer the case (probably a function of the fact most women now live to old age – most women died of complications from child birth).
2. Regardless of what we may feel, women can vote in almost all countries. In the first election held in Eretz Yisrael the hareidi women refused to vote. Had they vote, the hareidim probably would have been the largest block, and the history of Eretz Yisrael might not have veered off in the direction of the war the radical zionists were aiming for.
3. One of course could agrue that voting should be limited to the gedolei Torah, and that Baal ha-battim should be excluded (not to mention non-frum Jews and goyim), but that hardly works in a modern democratic (small “d”) age. And in Israel, many hilonim believe hareidim shouldn’t be allowed to vote, but that’s a different matter.June 9, 2015 9:22 am at 9:22 am #1085917BarryLS1Participant
Wrong question to begin with. The question should be, should the ignorant and foolish have the right to vote?June 9, 2015 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #1085918☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I think we should vote on who’s considered ignorant and foolish.
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