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Many Gedolim (Rav Kook zt’l is probably the most known since he wrote a teshuva as such) that women should not have the right vote or hold public office. What do you believe? And please explain your reasoning why you agree or disagree with those gedolim, rather than just state yes or no.
No, because increasing the voter base dilutes the value of my vote.
Wow, you’re just asking for people to get their responses modded. Society has changed quite a lot since R’ Kook and the Sridei Aish wrote their T’shuvos. Whether that should change their P’sakim is up to someone a lot more knowledgeable than any of us to decide. I personally see nothing wrong with it but that’s just a personal opinion with no Halachic backing.
Maybe we should go back to when only white christian landowners could vote.
Thanks Betzy for sticking up for us ladies… You hit the nail directly on the head!
nice one Bez!
In Switzerland women could not vote in many areas until 1990 (only 20 years ago).
Did Rav Kook write his teshuva regarding E”Y or a country like the United States?
Either way, I prefer that I am the only vote allowed, so that I will always get my way. Unfortunately, others disagree with me.
Maybe we should go back to when only white christian landowners could vote.
You do have a point. Only those who on net contribute to the govenment’s coffers should have the right to vote. Just like there is “no taxation without representation”, there should be “no representation without taxation “.
In many families the women earn most of the parnassah and are most attuned to worldly matters, so the question should be asked as to whether men should vote. Originally it was argued that spouses would vote together, so you would be giving the husband too votes, but since single men evoke little sympathy that argument didn’t work.
Love that book. Thanks for quoting it.
There are people who are ineligible to vote who pay taxes.
That’s because being ineligible to vote is not a license to not pay taxes.
Am I the only one who finds it hilarious that Joseph uses Rav Kook to argue that woman shouldn’t vote?
gavra_at_work,
Just like there is “no taxation without representation”, there should be “no representation without taxation “.
I know you wrote this 3+ years ago, but you do know that property and income taxes are not the only taxes that exist, right? Even poor people pay sales and utility taxes.
1. Women own property and pay taxes. In the past that wasn’t always the case. Women used to be less educated then men, but that is no longer the case (probably a function of the fact most women now live to old age – most women died of complications from child birth).
2. Regardless of what we may feel, women can vote in almost all countries. In the first election held in Eretz Yisrael the hareidi women refused to vote. Had they vote, the hareidim probably would have been the largest block, and the history of Eretz Yisrael might not have veered off in the direction of the war the radical zionists were aiming for.
3. One of course could agrue that voting should be limited to the gedolei Torah, and that Baal ha-battim should be excluded (not to mention non-frum Jews and goyim), but that hardly works in a modern democratic (small “d”) age. And in Israel, many hilonim believe hareidim shouldn’t be allowed to vote, but that’s a different matter.
Wrong question to begin with. The question should be, should the ignorant and foolish have the right to vote?
I think we should vote on who’s considered ignorant and foolish.
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