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  • #1829703

    klugeryid
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    what do you feel about pelosi ripping the sotu speech?

    #1829760

    Joseph
    Participant

    She ought to be tried, convicted and sentenced to be hung, drawn and quartered.

    #1829770

    akuperma
    Participant

    If you look at Washington as a reality TV show (albeit one with an exceeding large budget and the theoretical ability to destroy all life on the planet if they were so inclined), it makes sense. Trump and Pelosi are doing wonder for the ratings. People may love them or hate, but they pay attention. As a reality show, American politics is a gigantic hit.

    I suspect in the privacy of their homes, among friends and families, they are quite normal, decent people, and perhaps somewhat boring. But boring doesn’t do well in ratings.

    #1829771

    samthenylic
    Participant

    AND! The “quarters” should also be quartered!

    #1829787

    BaltimoreMaven
    Participant

    Seriously? You people on both sides are just as bad. Your own political parties can do no wrong and the other side can do no right. One side can say whatever they want. The other should be executed? Seriously? Either you believe in free speech or you don’t. The Malbim says on the possuk in Mishlei לב שרים ולב מלכים ביד ה that noone involved in politics has any bechira / free will. So all of this drivel is meaningless and a huge waste of time. Gut Shabbos.

    #1829806

    chash
    Participant

    @baltimore
    your a step away from the plate on this swing buddy. Most people here [seemingly] who support trump do so DESPITE his despicable mannerisms. [myself included]. And we think the Dems stick out their split hooves but in reality are really swine. In other words, the Dems whole pitch against trump has been his behavior and how childish he is. Not his policies, they cant fight those head on, so they have this equivalency thing between upstanding individual and correct policy.
    And then suddenly its over, and in one rip of a paper its clear that their whole argument of moral/intellectual superiority is shredded. just like that. THATS what we’re all saying.
    Its not that the republican party can do no wrong, its that nevertheless their policies are better. But the dems have tried to equate decency with being correct on policy, and suddenly the decency dissapears… its great stuff!
    And thee farmer freezeth in his place, as the sheep doth OINK! : )

    #1829803

    chash
    Participant

    I try not to think about it, cause its awkward to burst out laughing in public.

    #1829829

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Trump is a reincarnation of Louis XIV who believed he is the state.

    #1829792

    DovidBT
    Participant

    She should be lauded for symbolically showing what her political party is doing to the country. I’m surprised there haven’t been political cartoons with the speech transcript replaced with a map of the U.S.

    #1829895

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Most people here [seemingly] who support trump do so DESPITE his despicable mannerisms. [myself included]. ”

    That’s an oft repeated position but I don’t fully understand. Is there no republican who has his good qualities but not his despicable mannerisms?

    You hoped he’d improve he hasn’t, he still has “despicable mannerisms” so forget him. Surely Pence has the same good views but seems like I decent guy.

    Where you disappointed that Pence (for example) didn’t run as a primary Challenger?

    #1829908

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ubiq
    Why is that so hard to understand?
    I could not care less actually about his personal life. For that matter I didn’t really understand The issue with Clinton and his personal life either.
    I’m not looking to marry the guys daughter. I want a safe prosperous country that just let’s me live my life to my choosing. We can legitimately argue who’s vision is better his or the dems but who cares how many girl friends the guy has or had. Or his personal views on women. Let’s say he feels personally they are chattel and should be treated that way. But for nothing more than political expedience he passes legislation consistently protecting and supporting their right to be treated equally to males.
    Well then I support him even though his personal position is repugnant.

    #1829915

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Is there no republican with his qualities?
    I haven’t a clue. Show me one without his faults and I’ll vote for that guy over him
    But to ask why vote for trump? Surely there is someone else better, is like a reverse straw man argument.
    Pence? I have no clue. But here is the clincher.
    Yes there are many who have enough of the ideas I consider proper, that I actually could pick someone else.
    But that would work if I was hiring someone to run a business unopposed.
    Here we have an opposition party that is bold, in your face, and has frightened and bullied most politicians to back off their own positions so as not to be seen as Un ”woke ”
    Think back. To the incessant drumbeat against bush 42 that he lied about weapons of mass destruction.
    For some bizarre reason he felt it beneath his dignity to come out forcefully and say.
    No. I didn’t lie. I listened to the intelligence community who were taken in by Saddam ‘s own games.
    We know now that we were misled but at the time we acted justly.
    His taking the ”high road” opened the door to a cowering in fear republican party.
    Till big potty mouth Donald Trump came along. Yes that awful brash couldn’t care less about being nice and proper, two year old insulting personality? That’s exactly what is needed in today’s political climate to get the proper positions to be implemented.
    And that, only Donald Trump has shown.
    And that my friend in my opinion is the secret behind his popularity and support.
    He has the ”guts ” to push through and get the job done and not be bowled over by new age insults like the left loves to invent.
    We need a wall !!!!
    But you are going to separate families with kids!!
    (never mind that Obama did that unmolested)
    Old republican ”oh my! They are accusing me of being heartless!! OK fine we won’t build the wall. ”

    Donald Trump ”really? Oh that’s so sad. But you know what if we don’t build the wall some o these guys gonna come in and kill babies. And that’s much badder even. So we gonna build the wall anyway. And if they don’t want to be separated from their families, they should stay home or come here legally. Oh And by the way. Just because you tried to call me a bad name in going to make the wall taller, longer than before, and I’m going to take the money to do it from one of your pet sensitivity training projects to pay for it ”

    #1829918

    klugeryid
    Participant

    That’s an attitude your going to be hard pressed to duplicate.
    But it’s the only thing that’s going to work against the radical left.
    And that’s the same reason they hate him and fear him.
    They would have no issue with pence as president.
    I know nothing about him but just from the way he carries himself(he looks like someone I’d have no issue staying over in my house when I’m not even home ,or inviting him to my events or whatever. He looks almost aristocratic . But guess what? When I need a slumber to clean my sewer, I don’t want an aristocrat to show up. I want to get the job done. So when the guy with the filthy overalls shows up, I move away but I am relieved that he came confident that now the job will get done.) they would walk all over him like a used carpet.

    #1829924

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    KY

    “I could not care less…” My question wasn’t geared to those wh o have that view. I get people who just don’t care. There are all sorts of things that some make a big deal about that others wouldnt care.

    Perhaps I misunderstood, the specific quote I replied to. I understood it to mean that they don’t like that side of him, but overall he is better than any Democrat. Ie not that they “don’t care” about that side, they do but embassy or but socialism or whatever.

    So this is the position that confuses me a bit, so why not get a different Republican?

    #1829928

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Read the rest of my posts
    Or in short
    Others may have the same position but only he has the ability to get the job done

    #1829933

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    So this is the position that confuses me a bit, so why not get a different Republican?

    The Republicans tried that. His name was Mitt Romney. That didn’t work.

    #1830014

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “Read the rest of my posts’

    (sure though those went up after mine)

    ” Show me one without his faults and I’ll vote for that guy over him”

    Easy Pence. My question isnt geared to you personally. It is geared to the collective you ie republicans
    (I didnt understand the rest of that post, it seems like some sort of haiku)

    “Others may have the same position but only he has the ability to get the job done”
    so are you nervous for 2024?

    #1830034

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Not sure what was unclear about the rest of my post. I’ll try again in short

    Even if you found me someone with the ideas I wanted to see implemented in how to run this country, if he is personally a nice guy, the libs will guilt him into abandoning all of them.
    Only a mean uncouth guy like trump can get past the radical left. He doesn’t let their words stop him, their words embolden him.

    #1830028

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    DY
    “The Republicans tried that. His name was Mitt Romney. That didn’t work.”

    so thats kind of my point.

    Pence presumably has all the same positions as Trump claims to have. On immigration, Israel, etc. Many claim that they like Trump “DESPITE his despicable mannerisms.” So why settle ? nominate Pence* ! He is Trump without the despicable mannerisms .

    I suspect that you* actually like Trump because of his mannerisms or to put it more delicatly , “gets the job done”
    Romney just couldn’t win over the country just with ideas alone. But when combined with boorishness and imbecilic comments . THAT makes for a wining combination. THAT makes or a nominee you* can support

    * I dont mean you personally I mean you as a party

    #1830032

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ubiq

    so are you nervous for 2024?

    Yes.
    But I’m not confident about 2020 either.
    But of course if I just adopt Sam Klein’s attitude, im not nervous at all

    #1830043

    Joseph
    Participant

    Ubiq: Pence isn’t a candidate for President; so he can’t be voted for President.

    #1830057

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Remember that if something were to happen to Trump and Pence, she would be your new President at least through 2021

    #1830069

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    KY

    “Even if you found me someone with the ideas I wanted to see implemented in how to run this country, if he is personally a nice guy, the libs will guilt him into abandoning all of them.”

    Yes I got it “Till big potty mouth Donald Trump came along. Yes that awful brash couldn’t care less about being nice and proper, two year old insulting personality? That’s exactly what is needed”

    so you Don’t care that he is despicable, in fact you like him BECAUSE of that (partly)
    Thus my question wasn’t geared to you. I am not at all confused by that position.

    Joseph
    “Ubiq: Pence isn’t a candidate for President; so he can’t be voted for President.”

    first of all he can. But my point is are you sad that the party didnt dump Trump. Assuming you don;’t like Trump’s “despicable mannerisms.” ddo you wish the party dumped Trump for Pence , he is Trump’s (current, professed) beleifs without the despicable mannerism.

    #1830078

    Joseph
    Participant

    Ubiq: I don’t believe there’s the ability for a write-in candidate in presidential elections, since in actuality you’re not voting for President. You’re voting for electors. The 538 electors are the only ones who actually vote for President.

    Anyways, for the nomination I would certainly vote for a Republican who is better than Trump instead of Trump. In fact, I did exactly that in 2016 when I voted for Ted Cruz.

    But at the end of the day I think it is more important to nominate an acceptable Republican who will win the general election rather than a more ideal candidate who will lose the general election.

    #1830091

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    ” I don’t believe there’s the ability for a write-in candidate in presidential elections, ”

    Of course there is

    “But at the end of the day I think it is more important to nominate an acceptable Republican who will win the general election rather than a more ideal candidate who will lose the general election.”

    sure I get that.
    But that is part of my question
    why not nominate a republican who will win a general election (and lacks Trump’s “despicable mannerisms.”)
    The option I can think of are
    a. There is no such Republican
    b. You don’t really mind his despicable mannerisms, and perhaps even like them (perhaps this is what will win the election as some other posters said/insinuated)

    #1830108

    Joseph
    Participant

    Ubiq: If you write in a candidate, you’re voting for him to be an ELECTOR; you’re not voting for him to be President. Furthermore, most states require the electors from that state to be a resident of that state.

    Mike Pence isn’t a resident in most states.

    “why not nominate a republican who will win a general election (and lacks Trump’s “despicable mannerisms.”)”

    Because that candidate you’re describing isn’t on the general election ballot for President, as a viable major party candidate. And either wasn’t a Republican party presidential primary candidate or lost the Republican primary election.

    #1830116

    interjection
    Participant

    I resent the implication that Republicans are bad because all we can bring forth is trump with his atrocious mannerisms…. as if Democrats can bring forth anyone better.

    Let’s see,
    Warren is a bigger liar and has terrible ideas on everything.
    Sanders is a socialist.
    Biden sold out the security of the US and the world with Iran. He also has said questionable things about children but it could just be his awkward personality (which is not necessarily a sin).
    Buttigieg is pro infanticide.
    Yang plans to bankrupt the economy.
    Klobucher is actually the best of the bunch but because she’s not terrible, she can’t get enough support.

    #1830132

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “But that is part of my question
    why not nominate a republican who will win a general election (and lacks Trump’s “despicable mannerisms.”)“

    The reason no other republican would win is because without trump’s mannerisms the Democrats and the MSM would tear him to shreds (mitts binders, throwing granny off a cliff, lock all the African Americans in chains, all these things were thrown at the Republicans with vicious vengeance)

    Even Ted Cruz, who a lot of republicans voted for in the primary (because he has a backbone too) couldn’t stand up to trump and looked pain at some of the attacks for sure wouldn’t be able to stand up during Hillary or any other democrat

    Mind you, even though I’m too young to remember Reagan, I’ve heard that he had the same brashness to stand up to the democrats

    Most of the gop are a bunch of sissies

    #1830162

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “If you write in a candidate, you’re voting for him to be an ELECTOR; you’re not voting for him to be President”

    It is of course more complicated than that. while it varies state to state .
    some states require write in candidate to file paper work in which case of course the votes would count. Other states don’e even require that while some don’t allow write ins . electors can be chosen after the election so if Pence wins the popular vote in VT, NH, OR, WY , IA, Pa, NJ, RI DC, MS, AL , Additionally 32 other states (all but NV SD, NM, AR SC OK, La, HI) allow write ins if they preregister (which he can still do) He can handily win 490 to 48.

    “Because that candidate you’re describing isn’t on the general election ballot for President, as a viable major party candidate”

    youre dodging m yquestion.

    Yes I said that. Are yo usaddened by that do you wish the Republican party nominated such a candidate

    CA
    “Mind you, even though I’m too young to remember Reagan, I’ve heard that he had the same brashness to stand up to the democrats”

    He didint, though like Trump he had signs of dementia towards the end of his presidency (not as early as Trump)

    “Most of the gop are a bunch of sissies”
    right I hear you loud and clear. So you (agian not you personally) like Trump BECASUE of these attributes

    Interjection
    “I resent the implication that Republicans ”

    You can resent the implication form today until tomorrow, several posters confirmed that they (the party) like Trump precisely because of his rudeness

    #1830156

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    🤔

    My comment didn’t go through

    The gist of it is that “nice” Republicans wouldn’t stand a chance against the democrat attempts to paint him (or her) as a bigot, racist, wants to kill granny, capitalist (a la Mitt Romney, remember the binders, throwing granny off the cliff, wants to put African Americans in chains etc)

    Even ted Cruz who I voted for couldn’t stand trump’s attacks, for sure he wouldn’t be able to stand democrats

    Just btw it brings back the remembrance of Reagan who endured the same and withstood it (even though I’m too young to remember it, from what I heard it sounds like the same

    #1830173

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Ubiq – no. He/we did not say we LIKE him for those qualities. He was pretty clear – those qualities make him effective in todays political climate. Don’t take the liberty of replacing *stuck with” with “like”.
    Of thete was*an effective* candidate without those qualities then of course hed be the choice

    #1830174

    Joseph
    Participant

    “Are yo usaddened by that do you wish the Republican party nominated such a candidate”

    Yes, I’m saddened that a modern day Ronald Reagan isn’t President. Though, admittedly, even though Donald Trump has some personal faults compared to Ronald Reagan, on a policy level his administration is in some ways even better than Reagan.

    #1830184

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Ca

    “The gist of it is that “nice” Republicans wouldn’t stand a chance against the democrat attempts to paint him (or her) as a bigot, racist, wants to kill granny,”

    Yep I got it . option b. Thats fine I get that

    Syag
    “Don’t take the liberty of replacing *stuck with” with “like”.”
    in this context they are the same.

    Put another way if it where up to you (and wouldnt create a civil war in the Republican party) say Trump called you and said Hey Syag/CA/Joseph/ KY Ive had enough of this, I’m dropping out and throwing my full support behind Pence, he of course in on board as is the entire Republican leadership , I just want your take . ie you get Trump’s (professed current) positions without the “despicable mannerisms” would you encourage him to do that or say no we need you to run.

    My sense from all your responses (correct me if I’m wrong) is that you would NOT be happy with a candidate who was Trump without the “despicable mannerisms”
    If you (ie the party, or you personally in a magical world where you decided this) had to choose between Trump, and say Pence .you would choose Trump over Pence because of the “despicable mannerisms”
    this is closer to “like” than “stuck with” in my book

    #1830190

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    Ubiq,

    If Democrats played fair and dealt with policy instead of fear mongering I would take pence in a heartbeat

    But they won’t do that and they’ll try to win no matter the cost (rigging an election against Bernie with superdelegates anyone?)

    I hope that clears it up

    #1830197

    Joseph
    Participant

    My take is Pence would be better than Trump.

    #1830210

    klugeryid
    Participant

    Ubik I would like to take a walk with you through one of the toughest neighborhoods in America. You have a choice you can walk through the neighborhood with a nice. Timid aristocrat Or you can walk through the neighborhood with a real tough guy 6 for bulging biceps. Tattoos covered from top to bottom loves ripping people to shreds likes to get into Street side brawls lives for the day when he can Mash people’s faces into concrete Oh and did I mention that we know for sure there is a group of people waiting for you to walk through the neighborhood so they can relieve you of your wallet your dignity and anything else that you might be carrying with you. Do you choose to walk with the Aristocrat or did you choose to walk with the Rough Tumble lowlife kind of a guy and does that mean that you like the guy?

    #1830209

    ubiquitin
    Participant

    CA

    “I hope that clears it up”

    It is quite clear, I never had any question about you position. I completely understand

    #1830226

    interjection
    Participant

    As terrible as trump’s attitude is, I dont believe that the democratic party holds the higher moral ground.

    Trump is an “in your face” bully while the Democrats tactic is a classier (aka sleazier) form of bullying.

    Most of the candidates they’ve put forth in the past decade are from minority groups, which you’d never notice if not for the fact that they use it as a banner that if anyone dares to disapprove of them, they can then attack their character. Remember when everyone who disagreed with Obama was called racist? Remember when anyone who didn’t vote for Hillary was sexist and even the women who didn’t vote for her were labeled as weak, naive and brainwashed?

    Now in this race we have Warren who has already (probably untruthfully or we would still be hearing about it) brought up gender as if the reason she cant win is because society hates women. She also thinks shes going to tax billionaires out of existence and her jealous, dumb fanclub thinks that she’ll be able to make them rich in return. She also is trying to convince the American people that if you keep spending other people’s money, then you’ll never run out of money. In other words, her platform is built on the premise that you are both greedy Nd an idiot.

    Then we have the gay guy whom we obviously cant disagree with lest we be called a homophobe.

    We have Sanders and yang who are socialists which is a movement based on the premise that we are all too dumb to know how to run our lives so we should give away all our freedoms to the brilliant minds of our government and then we shall never have to suffer ever again. I don’t know about you, but to me that attitude is the worst of them all.

    Then we have Biden, who only has a chance because he served with the savior and wondrous Obama.

    Last, we have Klobucher, who actually seems to have morals and seems like a decent person (although I dislike her views on Israel) but she doesn’t have a chance because shes not a jerk.

    We also have the billionaires but they have even less of a chance than klobucher.

    I will vote for the candidate whose policies are most beneficial to my life.

    I really could not care less what their morals are. I send my kids to Jewish day schools to learn about middos and when they are old enough, I will teach them that politics are dirty and we shouldn’t be learning middos from our politicians.

    #1830225

    chash
    Participant

    @Ubiq,
    I’m sorry if i miss any points in responding to your q, as i dont have time to follow the whole thread, i would also say that the little i saw form kluger was something i would agree with, I think he puts forth a very strong argument, however to say it in my own words..
    I did not vote for trump, I couldnt stand the guy, and those who are his fans still irk me till today. However, with all the lying and everything else, He delivers. And his heart is in the right place.
    I cannot say the same for any democrat, maybe they do have the right ideas, but if its ok to hand one mans earnings to another what does that say about you?
    BUT YOU ASK ABOUT REPUBLICANS, and to that the answer is, I am not pro republican, I’m pro people who attempt to do the right thing, so show me who they are and i’ll vote. So you’ll offer cruz, pence, and romney [yes i meant that], The problem with that is they arent willing to get dirty in a fight, for whatever the reason. I think that its similar to a situation we had as Klal Yisroel, Lehavdil elef havdalos, With Yiftach, who was not the greatest of The Yidden [though surely he was great] yet chachomim saw that he had the ability to be the one to lead Klal Yisroel at that time, so they chose him. [CH”vsh, to even compare Yiftach to Trump, that isnt my intention, my intention is to show however that sometimes in a society, you take an effective leader over a ‘most virtuous’ one.] I therefore dont let silly mannerisms bother me, After all, manners are not the be all and end all of what a person is. Far from it.

    #1830297

    jackk
    Participant

    Trump has not delivered .
    Trump WALL is a long long way away. And Mexico is not paying for it. Total failure.
    Repeal of Obamacare – fail.
    Total Muslim ban – fail.
    Eliminate Federal debt in 8 years . Fail, Debt is up a Trillion dollars.
    Make no cuts to medicare – fail. Budget has major cuts to medicare.
    Drain the swamp. -fail. WH is full of lobbyists and former lobbyists.
    Everybody is getting a tax cut, especially the middle class FAIL. Only wealthiest got a tax cut and corporations which did not filter down to workers.

    The only thing he has been successful in is his “mannerisms” .(Nice euphemism for not having a shred of being a decent human.) Also successful in dividing and disenfranchising over half the country.

    A man who stole from his own Million dollar charity organization is a real low-life.

    #1830305

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    👆

    TDS at its peak

    #1830307

    The little I know
    Participant

    jackk:

    Your comment is full of lies and inaccuracies. There are a few that are actually correct, but are not the president’s failure. It is the roadblock set up by Congress. No, he couldn’t get everything done before losing the House, and you couldn’t either.

    Parts of the wall are up. Most is not, having been stopped by Congress in fights through the court. Even rulings in Trump’s favor were stayed because of their incessant obstacle politics. Shame on the Dems.

    Obamacare fail is also partly untrue. The mandate which was punitive and stupid is gone.

    Muslim ban was stopped by Congress, even though some of it is legal. The ban is not on Muslims. It is on countries that harbor and export terror. And it belongs in place. Vet people from those countries. You want MS-13 or some Hamas members knocking on your door?

    The tax cut garbage you spewed is as much a lie as Trump being a racist. The economy is booming, businesses have ability to hire and produce more. You are worse than ignorant for claiming otherwise. Even the Dems avoid talking about the economy, as all their constituents are beneficiaries of the tax cuts,, and they don’t want to acknowledge the truth of Trump’s positive impact. The corporate tax cut had a direct effect on workers, leading to raises and hiring. The food stamp and welfare rolls were slashed, not through throwing people off, but by enabling them to find employment and become independent. And if you wish to lie about that, please do not defile our eyes and ears by doing so publicly here.

    #1830306

    Health
    Participant

    Jackk -“Trump has not delivered.
    The only thing he has been successful in is his “mannerisms” .(Nice euphemism for not having a shred of being a decent human.) Also successful in dividing and disenfranchising over half the country.”

    LOL.
    STOP With the Liberal Lies!

    From the WH.gov:
    Trump Administration Accomplishments:

    “Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
    More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
    We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
    Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
    Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
    New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
    Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
    African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
    Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
    Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
    Women’s unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
    Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
    Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
    Under my Administration, veterans’ unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
    Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
    The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
    95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future—the highest ever.
    Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
    Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
    As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
    Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
    Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada’s united bid for 2026 World Cup.
    Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
    Record number of regulations eliminated.
    Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
    Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
    My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
    Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
    We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
    Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
    Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
    We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
    Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
    Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
    United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
    Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
    Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
    Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
    NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
    Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
    Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
    Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
    Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
    Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
    Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
    Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
    Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
    Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
    Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
    Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
    Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
    Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
    We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.”

    #1830452

    huju
    Participant

    Re Joseph’s first comment: You must be kidding. There is no law she can be charged with breaking, and her act is surely a form of protected speech, like flag desecration.

    And ever since Xerox invented and successfully marketed the plain-paper copier (about 60 years ago), tearing up a copy of just about anything does not mean there are no other copies.

    And since Trump wrote it (or had it written for him and he approved it), it is probably a pack of lies.

    #1830470

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Without debating the merits and accuracy of all these lists of Trump’s “accomplishments”, many of us still have the question as to whether it would have been possible for a President to achieve most/all of this agenda without the vulgarity, bullying. lying etc. The typical answer is “well, is hasn’t been done before so maybe we need to have all this garbage to achieve some positive outcome”.

    Funny, I often wonder the same things about some of your posts 😉

    #1830464

    Joseph
    Participant

    Huju: Destroying government documents is against the law. She needs to go to jail.

    #1830484

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    health, the US is not as healthy as you are with a National Debt of 23 1/4 Trillion, GDP 2.6 % nothing to write home about. Low unemployment might mean that people are not looking for work. Eliminating the mandate is no praise it means a reason to destroy the ACA. The president thinks he knows everything and gets rid of his advisers who disagree with him. He really has an inferiority complex with a narcisistic personal disorder.

    #1830493

    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “Low unemployment might mean that people are not looking for work.“

    Yes but employment numbers disprove that (steady average of 200,000 a month) and please don’t tell me it’s more than 1 job per person because you can’t say that for most of the 200,000

    #1830504

    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Joseph, you can destroy your own documents but not the governments. This was a copy given personally to her, so, she can do with it what she wants even use it for asher yatzar paper.

    #1830548

    The little I know
    Participant

    huju:

    You wrote: “And since Trump wrote it (or had it written for him and he approved it), it is probably a pack of lies.”

    You and Pelosi et al have one big problem. Try a fact check. You lose, handily. I get that you dislike Trump. I am not pleased with his expressiveness. I am irritated by the repeated put downs and name calling. And if you attack Trump about that, I am with you. But to claim the speech was full of lies is plainly stupid and inaccurate. Pelosi hasn’t been that accurate either, not has your king Hussein Obama. Schiff, Nadler, and Schumer have also been grossly dishonest. First do your fact check, then tell us about what was true and what not.

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