February 13, 2011 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #594968
I am sitting in Starbucks drinking coffee right now. (I sometimes come and sit here all day drinking free refills.)
While on line, I asked myself why I was willing to drink it. I noticed that the coffee drips into large metal boxes, which probably are washed in a dish washer. If it is done without soap and with tarfus, the keilim should be treif, I imagine.
I decided that stam keilim are ainum bnei yoman, which is a sfeik sfeika, since the keilim may not have been exposed to tarfus in the last 24 hours, and even if they were, it may have been something which is pogem b’ein.
I further decided that bacon sandwiches are definitely pogem coffee. I further decided that I was drinking it, since I always have, and they didn’t say you can’t.February 13, 2011 6:09 pm at 6:09 pm #756564
Popa! I always knew you were a sheigitz.
Mods, I thought that word wasn’t allowed on YWN anymore.February 13, 2011 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #756565deiyezoogerMember
what kind of respond do you, popa, want to hear?February 13, 2011 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #756566
I was hoping for other people to chime in why they are still drinking it also.February 13, 2011 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm #756567deiyezoogerMember
who said somebody is drinking from there? maybe your the only one there? jk lol!February 13, 2011 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #756568
I think consuming that much coffee is pogem one’s brain.
By the way, with or without the hooves?February 13, 2011 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm #756569
The hooves are not pogem. That is why I was concerned about them on the other thread.February 13, 2011 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm #756570chayav inish livisumayParticipant
we have a klal that goyim cant be trusted for aidus. therefore how can u rely on them that something they say is chazaar is really chazaar. Furthermore there is no hechsher on macdonalds saying that it is reaslly treif. i was mitxtareif these two svaaras and if you also realize that all live pigs are anoy ben yomo and are cold, there is no problem to eat in macdonalds because after all lo nitnah hatorah limalachay hashurays.
POPA ARE YOU A POSEK?????????February 13, 2011 7:33 pm at 7:33 pm #756571
My yoreh yadin smicha seems to say I am.February 13, 2011 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #756572chayav inish livisumayParticipant
did u get it fromm cc??February 13, 2011 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #756573
Why? are they the only one’s you trust? What kind of bubby are you anyway?February 13, 2011 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm #756574ShintavMember
How come whenever you ask an innocent, non-l’maysa question to some people the answer (both on and offline) becomes ‘ARE YOU A POSEK?!?!?!’ My answer to this would be ‘No. No I’m not. I’m trying to have an intelligent conversation. Is this new to you?’February 13, 2011 8:04 pm at 8:04 pm #756575
I’m trying to have an intelligent conversation. Is this new to you?
In the coffee room? Unfortunately, too rare.February 13, 2011 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #756576rabbiofberlinParticipant
what is going on here ? it seems that the coffee went to popa’s head! all silly talk and frivolous remarks…on a serious note- those huge metal pots of coffee are to big to put into any dishwasher.they are (probably) scoured by hand and thouroughly washed separately. I am also pretty sure that detergent is always used- for sanitary purposes. Plus= what “keilim’ are there that may be treif- i said once before that the food is brought in from a central commissary and is offered on disposable plates. I am still waiting for the CrC paper….February 13, 2011 9:30 pm at 9:30 pm #756577truth be toldMember
Good Rabbi: Why do jou write CrC? Its cRcFebruary 13, 2011 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #756578shlishiMember
you’re making too many assumptions rabbiofberlin. the cRc didn’t make this announcement to stir up trouble. there is a genuine concern here. until that is clarified, best to stay far away from starbucks if you value kashrus.February 13, 2011 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #756579
Grand Rabbi PBA
There’s one sha’ala you’ve not addressed. Is one allowed to drink coffee outside CR. Something like ??? ?????.February 13, 2011 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #756580
Well, I don’t need to answer that, since I am in the coffee room.February 13, 2011 10:16 pm at 10:16 pm #756581
Counselor, kindly refer to par. 1 – ‘I am sitting in Starbucks drinking coffee right now’February 13, 2011 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #756582ItcheSrulikMember
Yoreh or yadin? Which one?
Seems that I should start being makpid to drink starbucks whenever possible.February 13, 2011 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #756583
I asked the lady how they wash the carafes. She said by hand with a special cleaning agent. (Presumably made from pig’s hooves.)
Furthermore, there are no removable pieces of the pot which are not touched only derech irui. I assume the klipa is batul b’shishim, but even if it wasn’t I would rely on the Rema 91:4, see taz 7 argues, shach 8 agrees to Rema when it is nivlal (like here).
New question. I asked for a decaf, which they made in a one cup dripper, and brought the hot water in a plastic measuring cup. I am drinking it. Why?February 13, 2011 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #756584
All kidding aside, is there a problem with the coffee they serve on planes?February 14, 2011 12:33 am at 12:33 am #756585The Other GuyMember
Is plastic bole’a? Even so, I see them washing things by hand all the time, a mesuring cup used just for water is bistomah ok…February 14, 2011 1:32 am at 1:32 am #756586YW Moderator-80Member
I am still waiting for the CrC paper….
apparently youre not waiting for it before arguing with itFebruary 14, 2011 1:46 am at 1:46 am #756587
I know a problem that I’ve been told about Starbucks, that a lot of people are Nichshol in. They sell this cookie and people found out that it’s kosher. The store even hangs a Tzeteil (paper) about the hechsher. So a lot of frum people eat it. So what’s the problem? It’s treif -the cookie- because what they do is heat up their cookies beforehand to make them crisp in the treif oven and rewrap them. Noone asked except for one person I know. So everybody eats the cookies because they are “kosher”!
I wouldn’t underestimate a chusuver hechsher like cRc. You don’t know what goes on behind the scenes.February 14, 2011 2:30 am at 2:30 am #756588
As in anyplace a person must be careful with what he is eating. Because some things in the store are kosher does not mean everything is. Our discussion is about the COFFEE not any other items that Starbucks sell.
Next. About their coffee, as was said before, there was a hechsher which meant that the things that are kosher, are kosher.February 14, 2011 2:35 am at 2:35 am #756589
Shmeul294: Starbucks coffee in their coffee shops does NOT have a hechsher.February 14, 2011 2:40 am at 2:40 am #756590
Personally, I don’t know why people want to drink at Starbucks so much to make sucha big deal out of this. I suggest DUNKIN DONUTS instead. (don’t worry, they don’t serve hooves there)February 14, 2011 2:42 am at 2:42 am #756591
Shmuel294- I don’t know what you’re talking about. No starbucks that I know of has a hechsher. The store put up a sign advertising that the cookies that they sell there are kosher. Well they might have been kosher until starbucks got a hold of them. Do you work in a kashrus org.? How do you know their coffee is kosher? If the cRc says there might be a problem, before you or anyone Machs Avek at least contact them to see what they have to say. Sitting around and Maching Avek is easy thing to do, esp. if you think you’re the Grose Talmid Chochom. But watch out, if there is a problem, you can’t claim shogeg anymore!February 14, 2011 2:50 am at 2:50 am #756592
It is freaking coffee
water dumped on top of ground beans!!!February 14, 2011 2:57 am at 2:57 am #756593
… utensils cleaned with nonkosher.
And in your previous comment, you mistakenly claimed it had a hechsher.February 14, 2011 3:25 am at 3:25 am #756595
The cRc DID give a reason. See their website.February 14, 2011 3:36 am at 3:36 am #756596February 14, 2011 3:39 am at 3:39 am #756597
I am not in Starbucks anymore. But, I was there from 8:30 AM until 7:00 PM, during which time I bought one “tall” coffee for about $1.65, and had about 4 free refills. Good deal. Even for treif coffee.February 14, 2011 3:43 am at 3:43 am #756598February 14, 2011 3:44 am at 3:44 am #756599rabbiofberlinParticipant
I have to echo shmuel294.i also looked everywhere on the cRc website and there is not a whit about Starbucks coffee. They do cite that only cans and bottles (except strawberries) is under their actual supervision but they say nothing about the coffees consumed on the premises.
popa- if i’d be a dayan ,i’d say that you are guilty of ‘geneivas daas”. Seriously, though, you must have a very boring life to spend your whole day in Starbucks…..February 14, 2011 3:49 am at 3:49 am #756601
Speaking about boring lives… Do u realize that most of us are on this website for most of the day arguing based on assumptions people make.February 14, 2011 3:50 am at 3:50 am #756602
Chicago Rabbinical Council
Guide to Starbucks Beverages
Starbucks shops serve many kosher and non-kosher items, with the most
serious non-kosher item being hot meat sandwiches. The standard daily
clean up at Starbucks includes a hot wash of all utensils and some
parts of that washing are done without soap. This clean up process
significantly challenges the kosher status of the otherwise kosher
products and each product must be judged by a competent halachic
authority. The cRc will be printing a detailed review and analysis of
this topic in the upcoming edition of The Journal of Halacha and
Contemporary Society, and that article will subsequently be available
on the cRc website.
The good news is that there are many Starbucks locations that do not
serve hot meat sandwiches. These are generally the Starbucks kiosks
that can be found in airports, department stores, supermarkets, etc.,
and at these locations the cRc is comfortable recommending any drink
made from kosher ingredients (even though some others use ingredients
that may not be kosher).
This list is accurate at this time for stores in the United States,
and does not address toppings and other items added to beverages.
Since the information on this list is subject to change, this list
should not be used after June 30, 2011.
Note: I just tried this link and it does not work, but it worked earlier. Strange. This link from Google is also broken.February 14, 2011 3:51 am at 3:51 am #756603Josh31Participant
Was the Starbucks on a street corner?
If yes, then sitting their for 10 and a half hours will qualify you as the “yoshvei keranos” (those who sit at street corners as opposed to the Beit Medrash) mentioned at every Siyum.
To avoid this designation go to a Starbucks that is not at a street corner, or stand up at least once every 18 minutes.
This year I get to do Purim Torah for 2 months!!!February 14, 2011 3:52 am at 3:52 am #756604
Shkia in Auckland, New Zealand was 7:19.
Firstly, it is a good thing you are not a dayan. I didn’t start this issue. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/crc-starbucks-kashrus-alert
Secondly: “Seriously, though, you must have a very boring life to spend your whole day in Starbucks…..“
Why would you say that? Why don’t you ask what I was doing in Starbucks all day? (In between talking to myself on YWN.)February 14, 2011 4:03 am at 4:03 am #756605
You must work for the cRc.February 14, 2011 4:03 am at 4:03 am #756606February 14, 2011 4:04 am at 4:04 am #756607ItcheSrulikMember
Popa: Next time you want to go drink pig hooves, can you come to the Starbucks near brooklyn college? We can inspect the kitchen together and issue a hashgocha in the name of vaad harabanim d’chelm.February 14, 2011 4:09 am at 4:09 am #756608
if it wasn’t a problem till now
Who says it wasn’t a problem until now; maybe we just didn’t know?
Shmuel, you must spend more time in Starbucks than popa if you’re so worked up about this! 🙂February 14, 2011 5:27 am at 5:27 am #756610February 14, 2011 6:04 am at 6:04 am #756611
Who said there’s no problem with Indian hair shaitels? Besides, nobody’s advocating burning down Starbucks, just holding off until the issue is studied and a final determination is made.February 14, 2011 7:26 am at 7:26 am #756612amichaiParticipant
popa- were you really there all those hrs.? what in the world were you doing there???February 14, 2011 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #756614
The starbucks near Brooklyn College?
That is the only treif one.February 14, 2011 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #756615
as i remember it, lmaskana, they came out that there really was no problem with indian hair sheitels. they might not be recomendable, but not a problem. also, if u look at the pervious disscussion, the one that got closed before popa opened it again, a post by SHILSHI said and i quote “how can anyone drink from starbucks even now, knowing what we now know. even if more information if forthcoming, we already know there is a major problem. i dont see how its possible to drink there” and this is before the cRc has made their final desicion.February 14, 2011 3:36 pm at 3:36 pm #756616
So Popa -Are you still going to drink the coffee or wait for more clarification?
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