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  • #594968
    popa_bar_abba
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    I am sitting in Starbucks drinking coffee right now. (I sometimes come and sit here all day drinking free refills.)

    While on line, I asked myself why I was willing to drink it. I noticed that the coffee drips into large metal boxes, which probably are washed in a dish washer. If it is done without soap and with tarfus, the keilim should be treif, I imagine.

    I decided that stam keilim are ainum bnei yoman, which is a sfeik sfeika, since the keilim may not have been exposed to tarfus in the last 24 hours, and even if they were, it may have been something which is pogem b’ein.

    I further decided that bacon sandwiches are definitely pogem coffee. I further decided that I was drinking it, since I always have, and they didn’t say you can’t.

    #756564
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Popa! I always knew you were a sheigitz.

    Mods, I thought that word wasn’t allowed on YWN anymore.

    #756565
    deiyezooger
    Member

    what kind of respond do you, popa, want to hear?

    #756566
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    I was hoping for other people to chime in why they are still drinking it also.

    #756567
    deiyezooger
    Member

    who said somebody is drinking from there? maybe your the only one there? jk lol!

    #756568
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I think consuming that much coffee is pogem one’s brain.

    By the way, with or without the hooves?

    #756569
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    The hooves are not pogem. That is why I was concerned about them on the other thread.

    #756570

    we have a klal that goyim cant be trusted for aidus. therefore how can u rely on them that something they say is chazaar is really chazaar. Furthermore there is no hechsher on macdonalds saying that it is reaslly treif. i was mitxtareif these two svaaras and if you also realize that all live pigs are anoy ben yomo and are cold, there is no problem to eat in macdonalds because after all lo nitnah hatorah limalachay hashurays.

    POPA ARE YOU A POSEK?????????

    #756571
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    chayav:

    My yoreh yadin smicha seems to say I am.

    #756572

    did u get it fromm cc??

    #756573
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Why? are they the only one’s you trust? What kind of bubby are you anyway?

    #756574
    Shintav
    Member

    How come whenever you ask an innocent, non-l’maysa question to some people the answer (both on and offline) becomes ‘ARE YOU A POSEK?!?!?!’ My answer to this would be ‘No. No I’m not. I’m trying to have an intelligent conversation. Is this new to you?’

    #756575
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I’m trying to have an intelligent conversation. Is this new to you?

    In the coffee room? Unfortunately, too rare.

    #756576
    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    what is going on here ? it seems that the coffee went to popa’s head! all silly talk and frivolous remarks…on a serious note- those huge metal pots of coffee are to big to put into any dishwasher.they are (probably) scoured by hand and thouroughly washed separately. I am also pretty sure that detergent is always used- for sanitary purposes. Plus= what “keilim’ are there that may be treif- i said once before that the food is brought in from a central commissary and is offered on disposable plates. I am still waiting for the CrC paper….

    #756577

    Good Rabbi: Why do jou write CrC? Its cRc

    #756578
    shlishi
    Member

    you’re making too many assumptions rabbiofberlin. the cRc didn’t make this announcement to stir up trouble. there is a genuine concern here. until that is clarified, best to stay far away from starbucks if you value kashrus.

    #756579
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Grand Rabbi PBA

    There’s one sha’ala you’ve not addressed. Is one allowed to drink coffee outside CR. Something like ??? ?????.

    #756580
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Well, I don’t need to answer that, since I am in the coffee room.

    #756581
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Counselor, kindly refer to par. 1 – ‘I am sitting in Starbucks drinking coffee right now’

    #756582
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Yoreh or yadin? Which one?

    Seems that I should start being makpid to drink starbucks whenever possible.

    #756583
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    UPDATE:

    I asked the lady how they wash the carafes. She said by hand with a special cleaning agent. (Presumably made from pig’s hooves.)

    Furthermore, there are no removable pieces of the pot which are not touched only derech irui. I assume the klipa is batul b’shishim, but even if it wasn’t I would rely on the Rema 91:4, see taz 7 argues, shach 8 agrees to Rema when it is nivlal (like here).

    New question. I asked for a decaf, which they made in a one cup dripper, and brought the hot water in a plastic measuring cup. I am drinking it. Why?

    #756584
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    All kidding aside, is there a problem with the coffee they serve on planes?

    #756585

    Is plastic bole’a? Even so, I see them washing things by hand all the time, a mesuring cup used just for water is bistomah ok…

    #756586

    I am still waiting for the CrC paper….

    apparently youre not waiting for it before arguing with it

    #756587
    Health
    Participant

    I know a problem that I’ve been told about Starbucks, that a lot of people are Nichshol in. They sell this cookie and people found out that it’s kosher. The store even hangs a Tzeteil (paper) about the hechsher. So a lot of frum people eat it. So what’s the problem? It’s treif -the cookie- because what they do is heat up their cookies beforehand to make them crisp in the treif oven and rewrap them. Noone asked except for one person I know. So everybody eats the cookies because they are “kosher”!

    I wouldn’t underestimate a chusuver hechsher like cRc. You don’t know what goes on behind the scenes.

    #756588
    Shmuel294
    Member

    Health:

    As in anyplace a person must be careful with what he is eating. Because some things in the store are kosher does not mean everything is. Our discussion is about the COFFEE not any other items that Starbucks sell.

    Next. About their coffee, as was said before, there was a hechsher which meant that the things that are kosher, are kosher.

    #756589
    canine
    Member

    Shmeul294: Starbucks coffee in their coffee shops does NOT have a hechsher.

    #756590
    Shmuel294
    Member

    Popa:

    Personally, I don’t know why people want to drink at Starbucks so much to make sucha big deal out of this. I suggest DUNKIN DONUTS instead. (don’t worry, they don’t serve hooves there)

    #756591
    Health
    Participant

    Shmuel294- I don’t know what you’re talking about. No starbucks that I know of has a hechsher. The store put up a sign advertising that the cookies that they sell there are kosher. Well they might have been kosher until starbucks got a hold of them. Do you work in a kashrus org.? How do you know their coffee is kosher? If the cRc says there might be a problem, before you or anyone Machs Avek at least contact them to see what they have to say. Sitting around and Maching Avek is easy thing to do, esp. if you think you’re the Grose Talmid Chochom. But watch out, if there is a problem, you can’t claim shogeg anymore!

    #756592
    Shmuel294
    Member

    It is freaking coffee


    water dumped on top of ground beans!!!

    #756593
    canine
    Member

    … utensils cleaned with nonkosher.

    And in your previous comment, you mistakenly claimed it had a hechsher.

    #756595
    canine
    Member

    The cRc DID give a reason. See their website.

    #756596
    Shmuel294
    Member
    #756597
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    UPDATE:

    I am not in Starbucks anymore. But, I was there from 8:30 AM until 7:00 PM, during which time I bought one “tall” coffee for about $1.65, and had about 4 free refills. Good deal. Even for treif coffee.

    #756598
    Shmuel294
    Member
    #756599
    rabbiofberlin
    Participant

    I have to echo shmuel294.i also looked everywhere on the cRc website and there is not a whit about Starbucks coffee. They do cite that only cans and bottles (except strawberries) is under their actual supervision but they say nothing about the coffees consumed on the premises.

    popa- if i’d be a dayan ,i’d say that you are guilty of ‘geneivas daas”. Seriously, though, you must have a very boring life to spend your whole day in Starbucks…..

    #756601
    Shmuel294
    Member

    Speaking about boring lives… Do u realize that most of us are on this website for most of the day arguing based on assumptions people make.

    #756602
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    http://www.crcweb.org/starbucks_list.php

    Chicago Rabbinical Council

    Guide to Starbucks Beverages

    February 2011

    Starbucks shops serve many kosher and non-kosher items, with the most

    serious non-kosher item being hot meat sandwiches. The standard daily

    clean up at Starbucks includes a hot wash of all utensils and some

    parts of that washing are done without soap. This clean up process

    significantly challenges the kosher status of the otherwise kosher

    products and each product must be judged by a competent halachic

    authority. The cRc will be printing a detailed review and analysis of

    this topic in the upcoming edition of The Journal of Halacha and

    Contemporary Society, and that article will subsequently be available

    on the cRc website.

    The good news is that there are many Starbucks locations that do not

    serve hot meat sandwiches. These are generally the Starbucks kiosks

    that can be found in airports, department stores, supermarkets, etc.,

    and at these locations the cRc is comfortable recommending any drink

    made from kosher ingredients (even though some others use ingredients

    that may not be kosher).

    This list is accurate at this time for stores in the United States,

    and does not address toppings and other items added to beverages.

    Since the information on this list is subject to change, this list

    should not be used after June 30, 2011.

    Note: I just tried this link and it does not work, but it worked earlier. Strange. This link from Google is also broken.

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=Chicago+Rabbinical+Council+Guide+to+Starbucks+Beverages+February+2011&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B3GGLL_enUS413US413&ie=UTF-8

    #756603
    Josh31
    Participant

    Was the Starbucks on a street corner?

    If yes, then sitting their for 10 and a half hours will qualify you as the “yoshvei keranos” (those who sit at street corners as opposed to the Beit Medrash) mentioned at every Siyum.

    To avoid this designation go to a Starbucks that is not at a street corner, or stand up at least once every 18 minutes.

    This year I get to do Purim Torah for 2 months!!!

    #756604
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Shkia in Auckland, New Zealand was 7:19.

    Rabbiof Berlin:

    Firstly, it is a good thing you are not a dayan. I didn’t start this issue. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/crc-starbucks-kashrus-alert

    Secondly: “Seriously, though, you must have a very boring life to spend your whole day in Starbucks…..

    Why would you say that? Why don’t you ask what I was doing in Starbucks all day? (In between talking to myself on YWN.)

    #756605
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    popa,

    You must work for the cRc.

    #756606
    Shmuel294
    Member
    #756607
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Popa: Next time you want to go drink pig hooves, can you come to the Starbucks near brooklyn college? We can inspect the kitchen together and issue a hashgocha in the name of vaad harabanim d’chelm.

    #756608
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    if it wasn’t a problem till now

    Who says it wasn’t a problem until now; maybe we just didn’t know?

    Shmuel, you must spend more time in Starbucks than popa if you’re so worked up about this! 🙂

    #756610
    Shmuel294
    Member
    #756611
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Who said there’s no problem with Indian hair shaitels? Besides, nobody’s advocating burning down Starbucks, just holding off until the issue is studied and a final determination is made.

    #756612
    amichai
    Participant

    popa- were you really there all those hrs.? what in the world were you doing there???

    #756614
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    The starbucks near Brooklyn College?

    That is the only treif one.

    #756615
    Shmuel294
    Member

    daas yachid:

    as i remember it, lmaskana, they came out that there really was no problem with indian hair sheitels. they might not be recomendable, but not a problem. also, if u look at the pervious disscussion, the one that got closed before popa opened it again, a post by SHILSHI said and i quote “how can anyone drink from starbucks even now, knowing what we now know. even if more information if forthcoming, we already know there is a major problem. i dont see how its possible to drink there” and this is before the cRc has made their final desicion.

    #756616
    Health
    Participant

    So Popa -Are you still going to drink the coffee or wait for more clarification?

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