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  • #932394

    repharim
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    Can’t do that anymore unfortunately…if a mod could make it less “bot” friendly that’d be nice though, like change the @ to “at” and remove the .com

    #932395

    MiddlePath
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    I really, really want to get Skyrim, but I’m also waiting for it to go down in price. I dont like spending more than 25 dollars on a game. Also been thinking about getting Rage.. has anyone played it?

    #932396

    Queen Bee
    Member

    Thanks, Finala! It would be such a cool idea to make a Jewish guild. I don’t have time to play wow though =(. I have so many games lined up. But if I ever get back to it, sure! And don’t worry, I will play Skyrim and I will fall in love with it. I love Oblivion so hard, you have no idea lol.

    Have fun playing! =). And welcome to the CR!

    #932397

    Curiosity
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    I’ve always wished a developer would create an open, detailed world like the Elder Scroll series, but with a generator that has Fable style combat system. The only downside to all of the Elder Scrolls games including Skyrim (other than indestructible environments) is that melee combat feels so empty. You don’t feel anything when you slash through a dragon… In Fable you need to time your hits, you can counterattack, and move more fluidly in combat. This is true for the Assassin’s Creed games as well. Their combat systems make them so great. I guess you really can’t have your cake and eat it, too.

    #932398

    repharim
    Member

    I used to be a game developer…sure glad I got out of that business!

    #932399

    Queen Bee
    Member

    repharim, why? I’d think that’s the perfect job for a gamer. I would totally do that if they had many jobs in that industry. Why was it so bad?

    #932400

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    repharim: For real?! I am interested in going into concept art (not specifically in the gaming industry, but it seems like that’s where it’s all at). Any advice/information?

    #932401

    MiddlePath
    Participant

    Curiosity, I get what you’re saying about the combat issues in the Elder Scrolls games. Those games seem to put a lot more focus in their environments, which are outrageously detailed, and exquisite. I guess every game has its strong points and weaker points. Personally, I love the melee combat in Zeno Clash. It feels so real. And the environment is pretty cool, too. Wish they’d make a second one.

    repharim, wow, I think game development is really cool! I’m wondering what QB was wondering..

    OOM, cool, what type of concept art do you enjoy doing? I’ve been in school for the past few years for industrial design, and have lots of experience in conceptual art for objects and environments, both in 2 and 3 dimensions. I’m now focusing more on graphic design and typography. The first thing I’d recommend doing if you want to do digital concept art of any type is to get a Wacom tablet. Trust me, it’s worth the money ^_^.

    #932403

    I find combat in Skyrim to be kind of clunky and simplistic. It’s clear to me that bethesda didn’t (consciously) pour a lot of thought and redesign into the combat mechanics. Don’t get me wrong, I love Skyrim, but not as much for its combat as the possibilities of what you can accomplish, and it’s there that beth hits the nail on the head, time and time again. Combat in games like Dragon Age, Kingdoms of Amalur, or God of War (ok, GoW is not an RPG) is more exciting and complex, imho.

    #932404

    Middlepath, what platform would you be playing Skyrim on? You can get copies on Ebay for relatively cheap, for all plats (PC, ps3, 360 etc)

    I’ve gotten a number of games off Ebay at around 50-70% off original price. Check Amazon also, they discount games often.

    tx

    #932405

    OneOfMany
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    I’m into character and environment design, primarily 2D. I don’t really know how to work in 3D (but there are courses in that later on in my program). Oh, and I have a Bamboo Create. 😉 (The funny thing is I used to have an Intuos, but one day I was playing around with my father’s Bamboo and decided I liked it better, so we traded. :P)

    #932406

    MiddlePath
    Participant

    enlightenedjew, I’d be using a PC. You’re right, I’m sure I can find it cheaper on eBay or Amazon. Sometimes Steam has great deals if you purchase from them, but I prefer getting the actual CD to a digital download. The combat issues definitely won’t deter me from getting Skyrim, I love the environment and feel of the game.

    OOM, that’s really cool. What programs do you use so far for your designing? I’d recommend getting Autodesk Sketchbook Pro, and of course Photoshop. I use both very heavily for 2D designing. The Bamboo tablets are great, too! I have the Intuos 4. I really want a Cintiq, but I’d have to sell all my belongings to be able to afford it. If I may ask, why do you like the Bamboo more than the Intuos?

    #932407

    OneOfMany
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    lol, Sketchbook and Photoshop are my programs of choice! I generally use Sketchbook for sketches or simpler drawing with cell shading, and Photoshop for mor painterly stuff. I’ve also heard people speak highly of OpenCanvas and Corel Painter, but I didn’t like OpenCanvas that much. I still wanna try Painter, but maybe when I’m really bored…

    Yeah, those Cintiqs are pretty nifty-looking…I prefer my Create, though. It’s a higher end Bamboo, so it’s got the tablet surface area, while still being light and portable. Also, in terms of the Intuoses, I feel that all the added features they offer – lots of ExpressKeys, touch capabilities – are not really necessary for me. And while there is a difference in sensitivity levels, it’s also not so important to me – so it sense half an inch above the tablet surface as opposed to only a quarter? I dunno, I think a quarter is pretty good…

    #932408

    repharim
    Member

    well i made a whole big post about why not to go into game development and the mods decided that it was not worthy of being posted. So in short, all you have to do is just google why not to go into the gaming industry.

    #932409

    OneOfMany
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    Awww modddddddds…

    #932410

    Queen Bee
    Member

    I’m with OOM. Mods, I think it’s extremely rude to delete a post in which a few people are waiting for an answer. Some of us want to make career choices out of this. Sure I can Google, but here I have a frum person who can tell me his experience in working in this industry, and that can benefit me soo much.

    Repharim, can you please try again? Thanks! =)

    #932411

    repharim
    Member

    Ok well I don’t have the time to post it all again but the game development and movie industry requires you to work extremely long hours. Upwards of 90 hour weeks – and you will certainly not get a penny of overtime.

    Working on weekends during “crunch time” (google it if you don’t know what it means) is expected.

    Generally people who work in the gaming industry have no families because they cannot dedicate the time necessary for one. And for those few that do have families all you need to do is google “wives of game developers” (most notably check out ea_spouse from live journal). IGN made a post that made it seem like all of this abuse was OK but good luck finding anyone coming home from work at 4am and is expected to come back to work at 10am thinking that this is OK.

    Of course remember that all parnasa comes from Hashem, you don’t need to go to college to get rich and it won’t automatically make you poor if you don’t go. You can be the dumbest person in the world but if Hashem wants you to be rich you will be rich one way or another. And you could have a harvard degree but if hashem doesn’t want you to have money you’re going to be poor no matter what.

    #932412

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Thanks mods! ^_^

    repharim: I checked out ea_spouse…yikes, that is pretty bad… :S

    Like I said, though, I am not particularly devoted to the idea of working in game development – I would be just as happy doing concept art for graphic novels, etc. Freelance sounds pretty good to me too. Can you even work like that in the gaming industry, or is it all or nothing?

    #932413

    Queen Bee
    Member

    Wow, thanks so much, repharim! That doesn’t sound like a lot of fun lol

    OOM, cool! What kind of graphic novels would you do? Maybe you can do the artwork for my novels one day lol! I’ll let you and MP fight over my awesome talent (yeah right :P)

    #932414

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Okay, guys…who’s excited for Wreck-It Ralph? ^_^

    #932415

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    QB: When I get the skills…let the bidding war begin. ^_^

    #932416

    MiddlePath
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    OOM, yep, Photoshop and Sketchbook are my absolute favorites! I have Corel Painter as well, and use it occasionally. But Painter differs from Sketchbook in that Painter is much, much more adapted to creating digital art that mimics traditional paints and painting techniques. Whereas Sketchbook is more of a general drawing and painting program. I use Painter when I need to put certain effects, such as flames, smoke, water textures, etc. into my artwork. Painter is TOP NOTCH when it comes to effects and paint brush variety. Seriously, nothing else even comes close! But if you don’t need all that, it’s not worth it.

    I get what you’re saying about the Bamboo vs. the Intuos. I guess whatever you feel most comfortable using is the best option for you. Have you taken some art/ digital manipulation classes? I’m curious about what you’ve learned, since it’s always interesting to hear another person’s thoughts on a particular subject ^_^. By the way, have you thought about learning animation besides art? Because that could expand your career options, since many things that require artists also require animators,(for example, advertisements) so it’d be good to know both.

    repharim, thanks for your info about game development. I’ve heard that before, as well as that it is a very competitive field. I chose not to go into that when I first got my BA, though I really wanted to. I also wanted to be a car designer, which is not practical at all.

    QB, maybe OOM and I could split the artwork -).

    #932417

    OneOfMany
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    MP: Then painter must take all the fun out of making textures and effects from scratch lol. Seriously, though – that way you get all these random cool results that you weren’t even expecting. 🙂

    I’ve just started talking design classes this semester. Don’t have any opinion of them yet…I like my traditional art class, though. :3 And yeah, I think there are some animation classes later, but they funcuzzle me with all their interesting course names…I actually would really like to learn traditional animation, because it will totally boost teh drawing skillz. 😛

    -) <– cyclops smiley? crooked witch’s toothy smiley?

    #932418

    Queen Bee
    Member

    Dude, that would be sooo cool for you two to work together on MY book! Lol! One can dream -). But yeah, that woould be awesome!

    #932419

    repharim
    Member

    There are freelancer concept artists out there, I can’t honestly say how well they do. I knew one guy that did well as a concept artist, he used to work in the same studio as me and then went full time with blizzard. (Maybe freelancing wasn’t paying the bills, who knows).

    Just fyi – you do *not* need to go to college to learn how to make games. There is TONS and TONS of material out there most of which is free. There are some paid sites that give you access to extremely high quality dvd tutorials like digitaltutors.

    Although, sound designers (that are good) are paid well(and so are programmers) and are in demand – but there’s a very high learning curve that requires a lot of talent and a lot of luck to break in. I knew a guy that was doing sound design for a decade before he got his “big break” and was hired to do the harry potter TRAILER music. And this guy was talented so if it took him that long to break in for a mere trailer…you can imagine how hard it’d be to break into doing music for a whole game.

    Anyways, in short, stay away from the big production places – the small indie games is probably the best place to be right now if you feel you absolutely must do video games. I constantly hear about all these big time game developers leaving big production companies to start their own companies.

    My brother and I are wanting to do a fun tower defence game for the android/iphone but we’re short on time so who knows when that will happen :p

    #932420

    lglmlg
    Member

    Why play that game? It contains dark magic and evil stuff! Find something meaningful… how about prayer?

    Among games, I recommend you bonaticula.

    #932421

    MiddlePath
    Participant

    OOM, well it’s fun even using pre-made textures too ^_^. But yes, I suppose if you’re a real purist, you would do everything from scratch. But then again, using a tablet in itself is kind of “cheating”, since you can undo and redo and stuff. My favorite effects in Painter are the fire, hurricane, and shattered glass. But Painter is especially cool because you can download custom paint brush types online and use them in the program.

    I definitely think it’d be good to learn animation. There are a variety of animation programs, so start with the simple ones. I recommend Anime Studio. It’s a very easy to use 2D animation program, and costs maybe 30 dollars. And yep, it’s a cyclops smiley.

    What are your favorite Photoshop tools? I find myself constantly using Clone, Magic wand, and Dodge/Burn. I’m also always playing around with contrast/saturation.

    repharim, great advice and information, thanks.

    #932422

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    Hmmmm…brush tool. 😛 Also, clone stamp, magic wand, lasso, and levels.

    #932423

    lglmlg
    Member

    How can we love holy G-d and love filthy and blasphemous wow, at the same time?

    Man who deeply love G-d can’t enjoy that kind of game because it’s disgusting to him.

    Torah and G-d should be our pleasure!

    People who love that kind of game should humble themselves and ask G-d for pure heart which burns for G-d

    #932424

    Curiosity
    Participant

    …n00b

    #932425

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    lol

    #932426

    MiddlePath
    Participant

    oom, do you use photoshop to actually draw? I rarely do. I mainly use Sketchbook to draw, then photoshop to do touch ups or adjust things. Also, have you used Illustrator at all? I used to use it a lot, but I realized that almost everything Illustrator does, photoshop can also do. Do you have art posted anywhere online? I love seeing other people’s art, because that is where inspiration comes from! ^_^

    #932427

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    I guess what I do is called digital painting. I don’t really do photo manipulation that much (though I did for my HS yearbook lol). I don’t really use Illustrator…my skills are very ill-adapted for such a program, and yeah, I think Photoshop is a little more comprehensive. But I get what kind of art you do with Illustrator – there are some really amazing artists on DeviantArt that I follow…(wish I’d be as good as them someday). And yeah, I do post my art, but very little of it, because I rarely finish my art to a level that I would showcase. 😛

    #932428

    MiddlePath
    Participant

    Gotcha. Yep, photoshop is definitely the most comprehensive art program out there. I use Illustrator only when working with typography that can’t be done in photoshop. Also, the Pen/Direct selection tool in Illustrator is sooo useful. That’s so funny you follow artists on DeviantArt.. I have some art on there myself ^_^. And I follow tons of artists there too! Some of them are truly amazing. It is so inspiring to see how much one can learn and grow in art skills, and especially from just browsing other people’s art. I also love the contests they have every now and then. I mainly have digital car concept art and 3D model renderings on my profile there. Are there any other sites you’d recommend checking out?

    #932429

    chro7
    Member

    So I was tasked with setting a friend of mine up with a Frum gamer girl. After several failed attempts, I began to think they don’t exist. But Google sent me to this thread. Is there any way I could work on setting him up with Queen Bee or even one of OneOfMany’s friends? Thanks.

    #932430

    Curiosity
    Participant

    chro7 – that’s so funny, that’s exactly what I’m looking for too… Im really starting to doubt that they exist, but at least we learned one thing…. if you want to marry off your daughter, buy her an xbox.

    #932431

    Lol I just have this to say – being a gamer and having been married to one… Once u have kids forget games!! And the WORST is when u have to be the responsible wife and take care of the house and ur husband cant get off a game.

    Not only that theyr so full of shtus I got fed up with the fact that instead of doing something productive with my life like…. Working on my graphic skills, musical skills, or just simply organizing and keeping my house clean… Not to mention learning torah coz seriosuly I”YH ad meah v’esrim shana, I don’t wna say I spent my whole life gaming, I was sitting on stupid games all day. A wife that’s a gamer… Meh I think u must be reallyyy amazing if u can prioritize properly, for me I just can’t so I don’t play 🙂

    #932432

    besalel
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    look at this thread. man alive. YWN coffee room regulars who are ALSO gamers. just when you thought it couldnt get more loserish, it does.

    #932433

    repharim
    Member

    I agree with Song of Blessing, you have plenty of time to do whatever you want but once you get married and start working you don’t have much time for games anymore. And once kids come around…well I don’t have any yet, but my brother used to be a gamer too and he rarely has time for anything other than maybe a quick 5-10 minute game on his phone.

    Don’t go looking specifically for gamer girls/guys, it’s not a quality that should be a priority(or shouldn’t even be an important quality at all really). Once you get married and have kids, without having time to play games your marriage might fall apart just because it was mostly dependent on gaming.

    @lglmlg Okay please tell me that you are such a righteous person who does not waste a single moment of your life in anything other than doing mitzvos. If you are not, if you’re a guy you should be in yeshiva ~15 daily. If you have a job, then if you are not learning torah the moment you get home to the moment you eat and sleep then you are wasting time. So if you are not this person then understand that everyone waste’s time in one way or another. Playing games is a good way for people to relax, interact, and spend time together. It’s not necessarily just for the sake of killing time.

    #932434

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Song of Blessing – I don’t have a problem prioritizing. I enjoy games but I haven’t even turned on my xbox in several months. I’ve just been too busy. The reason I want a gamer wife is not so I can sit for hours on end wasting time with her. It’s just that gamers are gamers because they like a certain style and are part of a specific sub-culture. You dont necessarily need to waste hours of your day to be called a gamer. There’s nothing wrong with wanting a spouse that enjoys similar hobbies. Is it any worse than watching movies together, or having a common favorite author whose books you both enjoy?

    #932435

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Besalel- I feel sorry for you. Are you really so arrogant and have such low self esteem that you feel the need to call people who have hobbies dissimilar to yours “losers”? A real loser is someone so insecure with theirselves that they feel the need to look down on others in order to have any shred of self appreciation. You are the loser here, and that’s besides your being obnoxious and ill-mannered. Way to hide behind a keyboard and act all awesome!

    #932436

    blueprints
    Participant

    How childish for a married man to play computer games most people stop at 16

    How about making itself a kvius in the evening instead

    #932437

    Curiosity
    Participant

    Sometimes I wonder if people bother reading the posts that came before them before spewing their over judgmental opinions… It’s really starting to bug me how grossly arrogant you supposedly religious people are.

    #932438

    Queen Bee
    Member

    Curiosity, now you see why a handful of really good users have left this place, or have been driven out. Me included.

    #932439

    besalel
    Participant

    Curiosity, isn’t there a dungeons and dragons convention you need to get to before they run out of the free fanny packs?

    #932440

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    besalel: Yes, becaue randomly insulting people online on Erev Yom Kippur is the product of a meaningful and fulfilled life. You keep telling yourself that. ^_^

    #932441

    blueprints
    Participant

    I read them alright

    But they didn’t say it like it should b sed

    It is immature to spend hours a day in front of a screen accomplishing nothing

    Unless ur a child who is just using up time

    Like a 3 yr old playing with Lego for 6 hours a day

    #932442

    besalel
    Participant

    dont get me wrong one of many, i too loved video games. then i hit my bar mitzvah. but seriously, most gamers i know (kevin smith) are quite proud of their nerd stature. someone who is insulted by what i wrote is a nerd chut hameshulash: yeshivish (1) and a gamer (2) and a wanna be (3). oy veyzmir!!!! please dont send your second life goat-warrior dragon face to slay my plucked golden goose head dinosaur. i wouldnt know what id do with my life then.

    #932443

    Blueprints, besalel-

    Let’s save judgments until you’ve actually seen and experienced what modern games have to offer instead of jerking your knees in reaction to the phrase “video/computer games”.

    I’m sure I speak for the other gamers here as well when I say emphatically that gaming in and of it self is not a mindless waste of time. Google Jane McGonigal and Steven Johnson for more info on that point – good, well designed games can be extraordinarily taxing mentally. I also would point out that while I am a gamer, that’s just my hobby. I make time for my hobby after other obligations and pursuits are met.

    #932444

    BTW I am married, with children. Like I said, gaming is my hobby, it’s what I do to relax. I make time for it when I can, usually couple hrs/wk.

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