November 13, 2023 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm #2239434amiricanyeshivishParticipant
Why isn’t there even one Orthodox speaker by the rally. Rabbi Shachter from YU or Rabbi Hauer from OU or Rabbi Zweibel or at least Malcolm Homlien or any kippa wearing person?November 14, 2023 12:41 am at 12:41 am #2239445DontMindMeParticipant
Really weird lineup if you ask me.November 14, 2023 7:51 am at 7:51 am #2239497DaMosheParticipant
Probably because the organizations who planned the rally aren’t Orthodox, and the frum orgs didn’t support it until things were already set.November 14, 2023 7:52 am at 7:52 am #2239488
Thats enough proof not to waste your time going unless your a bored soul.November 14, 2023 7:52 am at 7:52 am #2239454Sam KleinParticipant
A nation doing serious Teshuva in the midst of
Achdus together like in the days of Achav immediately skips the speakers and goes straight to the microphone of Hashem directly like Eliyahu Hanavi or Mashiach himself if we can show Hashem in timeNovember 14, 2023 12:14 pm at 12:14 pm #2239514jdbParticipant
One doesn’t attend a rally for the speakers. You come to be counted as a supported of Am Yisrael. This creates incredible political momentum supporting Jewish causes, including funding to help protect acheinu kol beis yisrael. Unless you are already learning full time bzchus those at risk (and possible even for them – each according to his posek), this is hishtadlus 101.November 14, 2023 12:15 pm at 12:15 pm #2239527SchnitzelBigotParticipant
If Rav Schachter speaks, then they would have to give the podium to Rabbis David Wolpe and Ammiel Hirsch as well. Is that really what you want?November 14, 2023 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #2239575
speakers include top house and senate leaders, as well as president of Israel. this is the goal – affect American politicians.
Maybe if you put a Rav, then you need to put someone reform, then noone O will come?November 14, 2023 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #2239581user176Participant
There should have been. But nobody is going for the speakers.November 14, 2023 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #2239606amiricanyeshivishParticipant
I hear you. Good point.November 14, 2023 1:45 pm at 1:45 pm #2239612ujmParticipantNovember 14, 2023 1:49 pm at 1:49 pm #2239622Reb EliezerParticipant
See theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2239461/updated-additional-gedolim-sign-kol-korei-bnei-torah-should-not-attend-washington-rally.htmNovember 14, 2023 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #2239680
you can rest your case because ywn front page seemingly closed that article for comments and deleted the ones that were there.
So, maybe you can help me clarify:
1) how many members are in moetzes?
2) as this was posted this morning when buses were on the way – did anyone see buses with lakewood registration turning around after receiving a lakewood alert?
3) can moetzes organize their own demonstration with 100,000 people in DC – let’s have a siyum of half-shas?November 14, 2023 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm #2239687
There is a singer in a black kippah singing shir hamaalot, are you guys happy nowNovember 14, 2023 5:50 pm at 5:50 pm #2239782lakewhutParticipant
so funny how you keep trying to post lashon hora on groups of people calling them divisive. How utterly unifyingNovember 14, 2023 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #2239784nishtdayngesheftParticipant
If not for Ishay Ribo saying a kapittel of tehilim, the only mention of G-D was from the christians (getting their “can we get an Aymehn” responded to).there is another part of the hagadah, shfoch chamascha el hagoyim asher lo yedoucha, which seemed to be in play here, unfortunately.November 14, 2023 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #2239820☕️coffee addictParticipant
Herzog quoted a lot of passukimNovember 14, 2023 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #2239795GadolhadorahParticipant
As noted repeatedly, this was an entirely POLITICAL event designed to show solidarity within the American Jewish community and maintain the widespread support for the IDF’s war on Hamas in the face of growing calls for a cease-fire. These events, by definition, have a certain “inclusive” nature including politicians from both parties, “inter-faith” reps, celebrities, etc. It served its purpose with a huge turnout. Hopefully, the politicians will get their message and stop squabbling over “how to pay for” the Israeli military aid package as proposed by the new House Speaker.November 14, 2023 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #22398495 townerParticipant
@gadolhadorah weird name but guess what the senate voted not to fund israel. the rally purpose not fulfilled.November 15, 2023 12:09 am at 12:09 am #2239886ujmParticipant
Herzog quoted a lot of passukim
He would help end Arab terror far more by starting to keep Shabbos than by quoting a lot of posukim.November 15, 2023 1:44 am at 1:44 am #2239921doom777Participant
Serious question: what would you expect Rabbis to say, had they been given a microphone? To remind people about Hashem? Whoever believes, believes, and whoever doesn’t doesn’t. To call for more learning? People should be learning more always, what does that have to do with the situation? If you want to say that it is lack of learning that brought this calamity, what is your evidence? I’ve been to frum atzeiras for the matzav, and even the best speakers had nothing to say.
The only Rav who was able to convincingly connect current events to Torah was Rav Meir Kahane, and he is no longer with us.
All the speakers were boring, they were not there to provide any insights, but rather only to show support through an act of speaking. Ideally, there would be no speakers at all, we’d just all gather in the National Mall, chant ‘no ceasefire’ three times, daven mincha, and go home.November 15, 2023 1:49 am at 1:49 am #2239920HaKatanParticipant
The Zionists misuse/abuse the Torah when it suits their propaganda purposes. That’s normal for them. Their current leader does it all the time, and their first leader, David Green, did so as well.November 15, 2023 1:22 pm at 1:22 pm #2240023smerelParticipant
>>>The Zionists misuse/abuse the Torah when it suits their propaganda purposes. That’s normal for them.
That is also true about their more extreme opponents
>>> their first leader, David Green, did so as well
Actually when he was alive the more extreme anti-Zionist was always complaining about why he never mention Hashem or Torah (though they had no problem with sucking up to non Israeli secular Jewish politicians who were guilty of the same) Now that the Israeli prime minister does frequently mention Hashem and Torah their partly line changed to he distorts Torah . What they remained consistent about is that they still have no problem sucking up to non Israeli secular Jewish politicians who are guilty of the same.November 15, 2023 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #2240058☕️coffee addictParticipant
“He would help end Arab terror far more by starting to keep Shabbos than by quoting a lot of posukim.“
And you would help end Arab terror far more by having an עין טובהNovember 20, 2023 1:42 am at 1:42 am #2240874Shlomo 2Participant
There were no Rabbis because this was the arrangement made by the OU with the organizers. Had there been an Orthodox Rabbi — they were willing to have one — there would have also had to be a Reform and Conservative. Hence, no Rabbis at all. That was the Orthodox request. Organizers would have been perfectly willing to have Orthodox Rabbis speak.November 20, 2023 8:25 am at 8:25 am #2240926
@shlomo2, Really???? do you know something the rest of the don’t know? do you have any proof?November 20, 2023 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #2241043GadolHadofiParticipant
Please see the letter on Cross Currents from R. Hauer of the O.U. where he explains:
“Painful as it was to leave Torah off the program, we all did so consistent with the principle that allowed us to be at that table to begin with, steering clear of areas where there are for now irreconcilable theological differences”November 20, 2023 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #2241176
GadolHadofi, thanks for referring to Cross Currents. Here is an interesting view from R Adlerstein who watched from Israel:
Why was it exhilarating? Because you could feel the achdus of a people that had come together. Every different religious and secular sub-community was represented. (Well, almost. I don’t want to write about the “almost” just now, in the middle of the war.) It was a brilliant move to have the cameras trained on the young people there, to see their enthusiasm and commitment.
Those of us old enough to remember previous rallies were bowled over by how Jewish (rather than Jew-ish) it was. The organizers are to be commended for leaving out all rabbis, avoiding a source of internecine conflict and discomfort. That worked out well – particularly for the Torah-abiding community. Ishai Ribo did a better job of giving the event a “yiddishe taam” than virtually any rabbi we could have tapped as a speaker. At previous events (which the yeshiva world, contrary to the revisionists, participated in), the frum community felt like outsiders, as they had to listen to the words of people who seldom, if ever, invoked Hashem. On Tuesday, Ishai somehow engineered that the event pretty much began with a recitation of Tehillim, line by line. (A guitar strumming in the background turned that into the “musical” performance he had been billed to give in that slot.)
Besides his other songs, all full of yearning for Hashem, he managed to end with both a Shema Yisrael (Did we hear correctly? Shema by 290,000. Such a shout did not need the Shaarei Shomayim to open for it. The pressure surely must have knocked down the doors!) and more devekus. Who could have imagined that this would be part of a mass rally?
Even the secular organizers found ways to mention G-d! Who would have imagined?
Who would have thought that the kol isha that was standard fare in the past would give way to a monopoly on musical performance by Ishai and the Maccabeats?
The imprint of Orthodoxy was all over the event. The points mentioned above. The fact that Ishai did not have to translate his words, because so much of the crowd understood them. The fact that the organizers knew that music by Ishai Ribo and by the Maccabeats would be recognized by the non-Orthodox, and appreciated by them. All this speaks of the Orthodox having taken over Jewish culture in America! Gone are the days when we had to beg for some scraps of recognition.November 20, 2023 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #2241177
from R Hauer:
Many thousands participated in both Monday’s Yom Kippur Katan and Tuesday’s DC March. Many thousands more participated in one and not the other, as some would not feel comfortable in the intensely Orthodox environment of the selichos minyan while others would not relate to a gathering with so many Jews and so little Torah. No matter.
That is what we must focus on, not the controversies surrounding the statements or decisions of specific rabbanim or organizations. We must learn from the bitter experience of the past year that when we focus on fighting with each other, we lower our guard and become dangerously vulnerable to the threats of our real enemies
We can be at those tables courtesy of something known as the Schindler Doctrine, formulated by Rabbi Alexander Schindler of the Reform movement but critical to our Orthodox sensitivities, committing the Conference to focus entirely on issues that impact the material well-being of Jews and Jewish communities and avoiding religious issues where we cannot expect agreement. That mature understanding allowed us to come together to plan a historic rally that would not and could not be a religious event, but that would prove to be an important political effort to demonstrate support for Israel, the Jewish people, and the hostages across political parties, communities of faith, and individuals of influence and celebrity.
Painful as it was to leave Torah off the program, we all did so consistent with the principle that allowed us to be at that table to begin with, steering clear of areas where there are for now irreconcilable theological differences. But we shared an enthusiasm to make sure that this political event would prove to be an uplifting religious experience for the Jewish community that would make us all feel our connection to each other and to G-d. The moments of tehillim, the singing together of Esa Einei, Acheinu, Vehi She’amda, and the recitation of Shema were some of the precious moments that uplifted and unified one and all.November 28, 2023 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #2243138
I looked up what R Soloveichik writes about goyishe speakers. He forbids any discussions related to theology, religion, but absolutely advises cooperation between religious people of different faiths on social and world issues, not just on issues relevant to Jews.
On relating to other Jewish groups, he rejects an invitation to a dinner in 1960s honoring a Rav/Rebetzin that he knew well personally combined with an opening of a new synagogue. He explains that people who build the synagogue should be proud of their achievement, and that he would come to the dinner in honor of the Rav, but he can’t attend because the synagogue will most likely have mixed seating (during prayers, not during the dinner). So, this would be a red line – approving halachically wrong practice.
This also does not mean, of course, that he will favor Jewish students listening to a pastor. In abother letter in 1950s, he disapproves an interfaith chapel at Cornell explaining that students will learn to see such an arrangement as normal and take this notion to their communities.November 29, 2023 7:47 am at 7:47 am #2243164
@AAQ, interesting how you keeping quoting what this Rabbi said and what that Rabbi said from someone who has utter contempt for people who follow what a Rabbi said.November 29, 2023 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #2243351
common, you caught me so many times quoting seforim.Next time you are in my area, Peoria IL, stop by to see whether I actually have seforim or maybe just making up the quotes.November 30, 2023 7:54 am at 7:54 am #2243483
@AAQ, no I caught you many times quoting what a living person had recently said and used it in your post, in this case what Rav Feldman, Rav Sortoskin, R Hauer, R Schechter said. You can quote Meir Kahane and Sholomo Carlebach all day long if you want and I could not care less.
Almost all apikosrim had huge seforim libraries, the fact that you have one does not impress me in the least.
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