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  • #1424178

    CS
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    One more concept – some numbers. 7 represents the normal working order of creation and the world. That’s why there were seven days of creation, representing the seven emotive sefiros of each world. There are also seven days of the week for the same reason. Everything of the world is composed of 7, six sides and depth.

    10- represents sheleimus, completion. 100 even more so.

    So any number times ten represents the completion of that concept

    #1424188

    CS
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    Already in 5751-5752, shnos niflaos arenu and bakol, the Rebbe told us that the world as a whole is ready for moshiach and if we look at the world in that way, we will see it. Then came the miraculous events. Such as the fall of communism without any bloodshed, the miraculous Gulf war, etc, and the world has continued on the path towards moshiach. Now I’ll share the concepts from the sicha of vayeshev 5752 which is the most recent one we have because by the next year the Rebbe couldn’t speak anymore as the stroke followed shortly after.

    This past week was parshas vayeshev and it’s just incredible what’s going on.this source I looked up myself, there are other sources being quoted as well, also from that week, but I haven’t managed to finish learning inside yet so I’ll leave it out for now.

    #1424224

    CS
    Participant

    Tzedaka asa hkbh shepizran bein haumos.

    What was the purpose? We need to refine the whole world, so first we started off in eretz Yisrael to serve as a lighthouse for the whole world and elevate the whole world from the. Then there came a time when we had to leave and spread out through all the nations. In every country, there are different cultural norms, and through us living there, we use the norms and characteristics of the country and society we love in for Hashem, through Torah and mitzvos, and that’s how we elevate every part of the world.

    For example, it’s halacha that we use the business norms of the country to complete transactions etc.

    Now we can see that were more spread out then every before. And we have used every culture for Hashem.

    So even the lowest places of the world have been refined by now.

    Where do we really see that the world is ready for Hashem to reveal Himself in it with moshiach? When even the lowest elements of the world align themselves with what Hashem wants.

    Trump is not exactly a refined person. He is the epitome of edom. And he Represents that Edom has finally been refined. We can see this from his age when he was elected – he was 70, 7 months, 7 days old in the year 5777. Lots of seven there.

    Seven times ten shows us that the world has been refined.

    We just saw this last week, When he declared, on yud tes Kislev no less, that Yerushalayim belongs to the Yiddin.

    He did this against all odds, with allot of counter pressure, and even the Israelis didn’t mind either way.

    This shows us that even the lowest elements are coming in line with Hashem’s Ratzon.

    With such an event, let’s make sure to praise Hashem, and not make the mistake of Chizkiyahu melech Yehudis, who would have been moshiach but didn’t sing shira.

    This teaches us that when we acknowledge our personal miracles, it brings moshiach closer.

    So lets do that and go to Chanukah, the yom Tov of light in this spirit, lighting up the world around us.

    Lchaim :)!

    There’s more cool stuff and I’ll be happy to share if you want.

    #1424266

    Joseph
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    CS, I think you drank too much. Sober up!

    #1424267

    mdd1
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    Gaon, Hertzl was born, as we are told, into a secular European family- meaning they didn’t believe in G-d or kept anything and didn’t mind intermarring. It is not, Halochically speaking better than conversion. And again, bear in mind the circumstances of his upbringing.

    #1424270

    GAON
    Participant

    Random,
    Derishat Zion was the “admissibility of the observance of sacrifices in Jerusalem at the present day.”
    “Gaon, can you inform us as to whether that was a discussion of the issue or a presentation of the idea that it was indeed permissible?”

    Rav Zvi hirsh Kalisher seriously believed that Public Sacrifices (i.e. Karbon Tzibur) are permissible nowadays. There were some that agreed with him, but most disagreed with him. Some in theory, and some for technical reasons only, and some for both:

    See the link below the reason of the Yeshuos Malko of the Gaon of Kutno, which was more of a technical issue (Note, the reason given might be possible nowadays) :

    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=38529&st=&pgnum=5

    See the below link – the responsum of the ‘Aruch Laner’ wherein he corresponded with Rav Kalisher in the very first couple of chapters of his responsa Binyon Zion.

    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=591&st=&pgnum=4

    Also see the write up from Rav Dovid Friedman of Karlin in the following link:

    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1110&st=&pgnum=27

    #1424275

    Put down the gun
    Participant

    @chabadshlucha if you want to teach chassidus then start a class in Tanya or the like. What your doing is almost exclusively extracting the kabbalastic concepts from chassidus, and no one has a clue what your talking about. Your probably better off teaching raya meheimna and tikkunei Zohar in the coffee room. Seriously.

    #1424276

    Joseph
    Participant

    Rav Kalisher was niftar prior to the advent of political Zionism. To call him a Zionist is a lie. To even insinuate her shared ideals of the later Zionists is a gross falsehood.

    As far as Rabbi Teichtal, he was a small town rabbi who was never considered to be from the gedolim. He only changed his position regarding settling Israel after the war broke out.

    #1424333

    jdf007
    Participant

    This thread has fallen off of the point.
    You must remember that when one person says something in the negative, the other will invent their own positive. Claiming that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel means that it is islamic land to other people. Not that it is just in a holding pattern of some sort in waiting. Stating the obvious, that this is not true, does not invite Jewish blood to be spilled. They were doing it long before 1948. Secondly, I do not understand this thought that Jews aren’t allowed to live there at the moment but squatters can just come in.
    The only thing this declaration says is this. By not stating the obvious fact, that everyone throughout history has always known, has not contributed to the so-called “peace” process which has been going on for GENERATIONS. The only thing that fake reality does is to keep some people in nonsense jobs who spend their days analyzing the “peace process” for pundits as so-called “experts”. It doesn’t advance peace or stability, it’s a job’s program.

    I’m born unaffiliated, but even I know enough to know that the Rebbe was not against stating the obvious, and was not against the state of Israel. He stated that Jews live in the land, and therefore we, to paraphrase, we can’t ignore that fact. Then there are the miracles of 48, 67, etc. Doesn’t matter if you didn’t want Israel, it has already miraculously happened and you need to accept this. There are Jews there.
    You can keep ignoring it’s existence, and pretend that Jerusalem is as islamic as Ramallah or Rome, it won’t make it so.

    #1424369

    GAON
    Participant

    “Rav Kalisher was niftar prior to the advent of political Zionism. To call him a Zionist is a lie.”

    Joseph, agreed. It is rather that Zionizm was an off-shoot of his ideas i.e. Chovevei Zion of settling the land etc. Same goes for Rav Shmuel Mohilever ZTL…

    #1424379

    CS
    Participant

    @jdf007 we are in agreement. You must have read just two posts of mine on previous Rebbeim aand jumped to conclusions.

    @putdownthegun I wouldn’t mind if there is an interest but that wasn’t my intention here. I was just sharing about of the excitement going on in my circles and the coolness about it. I didn’t think it would sound Chinese. In fact I Bdavka left out the Ma and Ban details so as not to be heavy on kabbola.

    Not sure what was so Chinese :/ lol

    #1424417

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    All this historical debate and revisionist history (in the eyes of some) leaves us where we are today. EY is a reality and Yarushalayim is the political capital of EY (whether some here really accept it or not). To suddenly revert back to a Satmar/NK perspective is not going to happen and even the Satmar themselves don’t believe it, although it does make for a good “asifah” to denounce the Trump decision. For those millions of yidden in EY who get up in the AM, get their kids to school safely and then try to get themselves to work and then reverse the process later the day while living a “normal” life, all these debates are moronic. It is all about what exists today on the ground, and the shita of some rav 70 years ago about the eveils of Zionism, is about the least relevant factor in their lives. That train left the station in 1948 and it ain’t coming back. If the Satmar want to build a new KJ outside Entebe in Uganda, I’ll make the fist contribution to the building fund and contribute frequent flyer miles so both the brothers can fly over in style.

    #1424438

    mdd1
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    CS, it wasn’t too heavily Kabbalistic.

    #1424453

    CS
    Participant

    Thanks @mdd1 so can I add without being called lofty or drunk, that many sources such as Targum Yonasan and the Zohar to wrote two offhand discuss nations conflict over Yerushalayim being the immediate precursor to Moshiach s coming? Above Eva hear more?

    #1424480

    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    it might be helpful if you proofread, I’m not really sure what the above post was supposed to say.

    You are obviously accustomed to standing before audiences of lowly, unlearned individuals but you may want to change your perspective. We are peers, learned and observant for the most part and we are not sitting around in a classroom. There are individuals who seem curious to hear what you have to say and have asked you direct questions, hoping you will actually answer them. Addressing us as your audience is a bit off putting, and circumventing the actual questions is just more of the same. Maybe seeing yourself as an equal and addressing those who have addressed you will be worth a try.

    #1424500

    CS
    Participant

    @syag sorry about the post above. The formatting here does make it difficult for me to proofread, so sorry about that. Im really not syag. I start off talking to people as peers. But if I get called not sober, too kabbalistic, or having too much Derech eretz towards Torah, for no clear reason, then I sometimes feel like were on different planets and maybe I need to explain what to me is basics. I’m really sorry if that comes off as condescending, it truly isn’t meant to be!! Honestly. And once I start explaining basics, there will be things explained that are really basic to you as well. I get that. But I don’t always know where it is that I lost you. And to me, audience means the people in taking to. It can be my friends for that matter. Afaik is not a condescending term.

    #1424520

    RSo
    Participant

    Litvishechosid, I believe the lubavitcher rebbe coined the expression “Chazoko that propoganda doesn’t come back empty-handed” that is, it is always effective to some degree.

    That is at least one lesson that hsi chassidim learnt from him.

    #1424518

    RSo
    Participant

    Here we go again. Chabadshlucha preaching to us lubavitch propoganda.

    Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel on 18 Kislev, not on 19 Kislev as she wrote.

    And there is absolutely no recognizable significance at all in his age at the time of his innauguration (not his election) because secular months have absolutely no real meaning even in the non-Jewish world. They are just an arbitrary way of dividing up the year with no basis in fact or history.

    #1424534

    jdf007
    Participant

    I don’t understand, if it is the late afternoon in the United States, what is the date in in “Biblical Israel”? considering that I thought the date changes at nightfall.
    In other words, if it were not hte 19th of Kislev as I had previous though, am I going to light my “holiday candles” as they call them on the wrong day tomorrow too?

    #1424538

    CS
    Participant

    But to elaborate, apparently Yerushalayim is the issue that the nations will clash about right before moshiach comes. Anyone know the exact Targum Yonasan excerpt that discusses it?

    I just heard a fascinating Zohar on this embassy topic- on the posuk yoshev bashomayim yischak yilag amo, which is that up till now Hashem exacted punishment from our enemies from behind closed curtains above. However, by the end of days, basketball will redress all souls of wicked people in current leaders of nations – and they will gather together in a place where the nations meet (hello, the UN!) and they will start out trying to conceal their agenda by discussing if we have legal rights over Yerushalayim. However in the end their real meaning will come out, but they won’t succeed because Hashem will mock them.

    I would love to see the source for this inside, also if anyone has any other Yerushalayim moshiach nevuos/ mefarshim to share im all ears!!

    #1424542

    CS
    Participant

    I found it but couldn’t copy and paste. If you’d like to see it yourself, search זוהר ישחק ילעג למו ירושלים

    #1424551

    GAON
    Participant

    Mdd,

    “Gaon, Hertzl was born, as we are told, into a secular European family- meaning they didn’t believe in G-d or kept anything and didn’t mind intermarring. It is not, Halochically speaking better than conversion. And again, bear in mind the circumstances of his upbringing.”

    With all due respect, there is a major difference in all aspects; from a Halachik perspective and even from a secular perspective, between someone who is just a Ba’al Averia and between someone who is an official Apostate / Meshumad.

    Converting was a line that almost every Secular Jew refused to cross…especially mass conversion.

    You remind me of a story, there was once a Meshumad who lived St Petersburg in the times of the Czarist rule, who was the official censor of all Jewish Seforim (as only non-Jews were permitted to live there and have a position) . He was actually very helpful in allowing many Seform to be printed. N. Biyalek once came to him with one of his writings and he absolutely refused to permit it, claiming there was ‘kefira’ there, showing him what he meant. Bialik brushed it off saying that it is based on Zohar and that he doesn’t really understand what he meant etc.
    On that the Censor replied: “Listen, I know Zohar back and forth as I was the very one that censored it, so please don’t try that trick on me”…
    As a last try, Bialik asked him: well, aren’t you a Christian/ meshumad – so what do you care?
    Upset – he replied: Hey, you can accuse me of anything, but that is the last thing I will do – trade Judaism for something that dumb as Christianity…(obviously, he converted to obtain the position)…

    Asides that, we have the old klal of Rav Chaim of Brisk: Nebech an Apikoras iz OIch An Apikoras” and in sense of Avoda Zara everyone would agree to that Klal.

    #1424562

    RSo
    Participant

    jdff since when do we look at the date in “Biblical Israel”? If someone dies late in the afternoon of the first day of Chanukah in the States, when it is already the second night of Chanukah in Israel does his yahrtzeit fall on the fisrt or second day of Chanukah?

    #1424612

    mdd1
    Participant

    Gaon, to start with: I wrote that he and his parents, mestama, did not believe in G-d.

    #1424632

    mdd1
    Participant

    Gaon, being a koifer is not better than being a Christian. The aversion to conversion is an emotional/historic reality, but according to Halochah it doesn’t hold true (except for chezkas yichus).
    I also follow the principle that if someone is exposed to Yiddishkeit enough, he loses the tinok she’nishba status, but an extenuating circumstance it definitely is ( not being brought up frum).

    #1424663

    GAON
    Participant

    “mestama, did not believe in G-d.”
    We don’t know that, most secular Jews before the war did believe in G-d, and so are most chilonim nowadays.
    There is a debate if a מומר for one or more mitzvahs is considered a Mumat l’Kol haTorah Kulah. But one who worships A”Z and is a מסית is certainly a Mumar.
    His halachik status was no doubt:
    מורידין ולא מעלין according to all.

    Somehow we find in all poskim the status of one who is המיר את דתו in a different category than just a chiloni. We don’t sit shivah for him etc.

    #1424678

    keraveltheint
    Participant

    Also the medina exists now as a HUGE settlement of Jews…so whether you like it or not it’s a metzius…and therefore the reality has changed since the time of the Frierdige Rebbe…and the Rebbe’s shitta reflects that…

    To the comment above which claimed the Rebbe “went against” the previous Rebbeim R”L…that’s not how chassidus CHaBaD works…the current Rebbe can mold the shitta as he is the current leader of chassidus CHaBaD, and is therefore the one currently dealing with the reality of the situation…

    #1424675

    keraveltheint
    Participant

    Hey, first post here, just wondering why syag is jumping down CS’s throat for explaining basic chassidus…if I didn’t understand a gemora and someone explained it to me, I wouldn’t attack them and try to make them feel bad because I was ignorant about a certain part of Torah..it’s wonderous to me how, at times in this forum individuals speak about Kabbalah and chassidus as if it’s not as much a part of the Torah as Gemora…maybe it’s time for some of you all to expand your horizons…Gemara isn’t our only source in Yiddishkeit…

    #1424674

    mdd1
    Participant

    Gaon, you are wrong as far as historical facts go. Secular European Jews in Germany, Austro-Hungary etc. either did not believe in G-d (most of them) or did not believe that he gave us the Torah. Secular Eastern European Jews were Socialists, Communists, secular Maskilim who did not believe in God.

    #1425395

    jdf007
    Participant

    “RSo”, you are answering almost to the point or question that I have. You’re asking if the person (the subject here) dies on the East Coast, where do we declare the date.
    For Jerusalem, the city does not move no matter where we are talking about it. Would we not go by the date of the subject (the City in Israel), over where Trump gave the signing? In other words should it matter if he were in Hawaii or the Moon?

    This I am interested in (although I’ll probably ask for a second opinion offline).

    In a few weeks, it will be Christmas, the Santa Tracker goes by local time. And then there will be the world-wide fireworks, which I find amusing, because Asia, and every other part of the world had their New York, but everyone still does something on Jan 1st. So on and so on.

    #1495765

    KlutzKasheh
    Participant

    “It’s pretty hypocritical of you to call it “amazing” considering the 5th, 6th and yes even 7th Lubavitcher rebbes were opposed to Zionism”

    ????? Why, the Rebbe had a Magen David engraved on his kiddish cup!!! He was also quite friendly with some former Israeli PMs. During the 6 day war, it was the Rebbe that was encouraging all the yidden to stay in eretz yisroel and not flee to the war.
    In many chabad houses around the world, the shliach says a special tefilla for the IDF together with the cong

    #1496258

    JJ2020
    Participant

    I’m not sure how to feel about the comments along the lines of, there were lots of miracles around regarding the modern state of Israel and therefore this is what Hashem wants.

    Everything that happens can only happen with Hashems approval. And part of how He runs the world is that bad things happen like the Holocaust.

    Our job is to keep the mitzvos the best we can and maintain our emunah. It’s all somehow for the ultimate good. In the meantime we’re very limited as far as what we could see. We don’t know what the outcomes will be. We just have to keep the Torah the best we can.

    #1496230

    JJ2020
    Participant

    I’ve heard some people argue that the embassy move makes the Arabs made and when they are made more angry they will try and kill more of us therefore the move is bad.

    What they want is for all the Jews to leave Israel. Anything less than that will make them mad. So are those making the above argument implying we should just give them the whole country? And that will lead to less Jews dying?

    I think everyone agrees that someone who tries to replace mitzvah observance with falafel and planting some trees is a rasha. The question is what do we do now? Do we say we’re better off without the current Israeli government and prefer Arabs to take over? Or do we say it sure is terrible that there are so many atheists in Israel and in the government. But since I don’t want to be killed by Arabs and these guys are standing with guys between me and those guys with guns and are letting me keep Torah and mitvos in communities with the highest level of such observance in the world. And if the USA wants to help support my living in Israel and being able to daven at the kosel. Maybe I’ll take that over the alternative.

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