June 2, 2011 1:51 am at 1:51 am #597222gradaMember
is sports good for a yeshiva bachurJune 2, 2011 1:56 am at 1:56 am #774142
depens on the boy, the yeshiva,the upbringing, and where he’s holding in life. in terms of excercise one can argue that its more fun while playing sports but theoretically (and i know this is annoying) you could just run up and down stairs for a whileJune 2, 2011 1:59 am at 1:59 am #774143
playing or watching?June 2, 2011 2:01 am at 2:01 am #774144
sounds like playing no? cuz watching as a question would apply to anyoneJune 2, 2011 2:15 am at 2:15 am #774145
I don’t think so, I know a lot of frum people that go to games (myself included….. GASP)June 2, 2011 2:21 am at 2:21 am #774146
now we have three categories. playing, watching (tele…), and going.three dif topics. care to specifyJune 2, 2011 3:31 pm at 3:31 pm #774147
not sure what the issue is, sports is a great way to get excercise…rabbi walerstein often talks about playing hockey as a youth and with his students…at least that is what i can remeber from one of his shuirsJune 2, 2011 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #774148
watching prof sports: not good
going to a game: absolutely assurJune 2, 2011 4:02 pm at 4:02 pm #774149
We can add, taking an interest in a sport and following a team. One need not watch, to follow a team through a season.June 2, 2011 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #774151
“going to a game: absolutely assur”
“One need not watch, to follow a team through a season.”
happy this is only your opinions, as I’m sure most of the people wearing kippas and eating at the kosher food stands at the stadiums would agree 🙂June 2, 2011 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm #774152basket of radishesParticipant
1. playing a sport- if it will bring him happiness and industry and esteem.
2. watching sports?- well, let him be the decider. One really should have some enthusiasm about some of the teams. Its called Western Culture and that is not against Torah. In fact, Torah supports Western Culture as I see G-ds message to our people. That said, too much viewing of anything is a real mistake. One should enjoy the spirit of sports and find that there is some sense of affiliation. So no problem here, just don’t watch more than say 1 sports event a week unless say it is football playoffs.
3. going to sports? Well if you can sport the price tag, go right ahead. Of course every child should I say be able to view a few sports events in his or her lifetime. I personally am almost 40 and have been to one football game, a few basketball games and maybe 7-8 baseball games. Oh yea, a few college football games too. But that said, these were expensive though very worthwhile experiences. But I personally am quite aggrieved by those who spend their every weekend or more at the stadium. That just does not seem to be our mission in my thoughts.June 2, 2011 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #774153
basket of radishes…I can’t wait to see the responces to your post :)…it’s going to gt messy!!June 2, 2011 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #774154
Playing: Machlokes between the Charaidim in EY (such as Rav Shteinman) and America (such as Rav Reuven Feinstein). There was actually a big commotion regarding this at one of the Agudah conventions from what I hear.
Watching prof sports: On TV? see TV. In person? see Going to a game.
going to a game: My Rov and Rebbe disagree on this one. IIRC there was also a Chinuch roundtable regarding this question. Personally I think it depends on one’s motives (from what I have discussed with both my Rov & Rebbe).June 2, 2011 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #774155
Mike- i’ll find you the mishna brura that expressly assurs going to stadiums. I don’t remember where but it it says in shulchan aruch mishna brura that stadiums and theaters are assurJune 2, 2011 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #774157
On a side note
Alan Shlomo Veingrad was an offensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys super bowl winning team in 1992, he became a Baal Teshivah via Chabad after he retired.
he is now a speaker telling of his becoming orthodox after footballJune 2, 2011 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #774160
Point being that it is not the Guf of the Stadium that creates the Issur, it is the Ma’ase that is going on in the stadium that creates it. I don’t think anyone would claim going to an empty stadium to use the bathroom has the same din as walking into a church.June 2, 2011 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #774161
i dont know why you are addressing it to me
i said its assur to go to a game (where terrible nivul peh is shouted out, and ervahs and very innapropriate behaviors are in every direction) not to walk into a stadium per seJune 2, 2011 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #774162
Mr. 80: You are the mod on call who I assume has been blocking my point regarding Madison Square Garden. If it was a different Mod then I apologize.June 2, 2011 6:45 pm at 6:45 pm #774163
Point being that it is not the Guf of the Stadium that creates the Issur, it is the Ma’ase that is going on in the stadium that creates it. I don’t think anyone would claim going to an empty stadium to use the bathroom has the same din as walking into a church.
or better yet going to MSG (not monosodium glutumate) for the Daf Yomi SiyumJune 2, 2011 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #774165
there is no mod on call
mods come in and out
usually there is more than one on at a time
as i have explained many times here: as i am basically the only mod that posts please dont assume that i am the one deleting or editing particular posts during the time period that i am posting
there is no reason to apologize
i just didnt understand why you were addressing me with that point
you should have addreessed it to “Toi”June 2, 2011 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm #774166
lol that’s funny lets see if my post goes throughJune 2, 2011 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #774167
Since they sell Kosher Food with a hechsher, It would mean some Rabbaim are going there as well to make sure the Kashruth is goodJune 2, 2011 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #774168
FYI They do not sell Kosher Food at Madison Square Garden.
The owners dont allow it for some reasonJune 2, 2011 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #774169
“Mike- i’ll find you the mishna brura that expressly assurs going to stadiums. I don’t remember where but it it says in shulchan aruch mishna brura that stadiums and theaters are assur”
during choel moed, i’ve seen plent of frum families at ball games…just saying, there must be more than meets the eye..June 2, 2011 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #774170
Achashveirosh also served glatt kosher. set and matchJune 2, 2011 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #774172
“set and match”
do they also sell kosher food at the US Open (tennis) 🙂June 3, 2011 12:52 am at 12:52 am #774173
do they also sell kosher food at the US Open (tennis) 🙂
Yes they doJune 3, 2011 1:18 am at 1:18 am #774174
If it is such an assur why would the vaad grant a huckster and allow a moshgiach on premisJune 3, 2011 1:27 am at 1:27 am #774176Boro Park GirlMember
Not talking about professional sports, but I think it is very good for bochurim to be able to play basketball, baseball… by recess or lunch just to let out steam. Sitting all day is very hard to get used to especially at the beginning of the year.June 3, 2011 3:02 am at 3:02 am #774177hudiParticipant
I think its a great outlet for boys during bein hazmanim. They need a break!June 3, 2011 4:05 am at 4:05 am #774178MiddlePathParticipant
Obviously, there are many different views on this issue among many different circles.
For people that are in my circle- Playing sports is one of the best, if not THE best, outlets a teenager can have. Watching sports is perfectly fine in moderate amounts. You don’t want your kid glued to the television for every single game on. Going to games is a great way to bond with your kids. It can be a memorable experience.
For people in other circles- Do whatever you feel is right, and I will respect your opinion.June 3, 2011 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #774179
Some relatives told me in their yeshivas they had Chavrusa’s during recess.
Schools should encourage some exercise during recess, not Chavrusa’sJune 3, 2011 2:13 pm at 2:13 pm #774180real-briskerMember
zhavasdad – Excersise is important, but to discourage a boy from learning for it?!?!?June 3, 2011 2:42 pm at 2:42 pm #774181
“Exercise is important, but to discourage a boy from learning for it?!?!?”
If you dont give kids a healthy outlet, they may find them on their own, without supervision….June 3, 2011 3:44 pm at 3:44 pm #774182
Cant wait for next years siyum hashas. Giants stadium. The Novominsker Rebbe on the jumbotron.June 3, 2011 3:48 pm at 3:48 pm #774183
Chanoch Linaar Al Pi Darko. For some kids, sitting with a chavrusah through recess might be very good for them, for others, it might be horrible. I have a neighbor who was from the learn through recess crowd, nobody stopped him, nobody ever spoke with him why he did it. He dropped out of yeshiva in 11th grade. Burnt out. His parents have someone who learns with him several hours each morning and he works most of the afternoon. Has a tutor who his helping study to earn GED so he can go on to college and earn a degree so that he will be able to provide for his family one day.June 3, 2011 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #774184
One has to worry about Peer Pressure to have a Chavrusa during recess, perhaps even from the Rabbaim.June 3, 2011 8:17 pm at 8:17 pm #774186
If a Rebbe asks a boy to have a recess chavursa do you think the boy will turn it down for a game of soccer?
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