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  • #1723712

    Riverdale Bochur
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    Is there any thing wrong with following sports (if your not watching the games)?

    #1724038

    Joseph
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    There’s much wrong with following goyim in general. All the more so the vilda chayos in professional sports that are a terrible example for society.

    #1724065

    Reb Eliezer
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    Learn mussar from the goyim of what hislahavus to do mitzvos.

    #1724055

    Gadolhadorah
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    Joseph’s use of the term “vilda chayos” in professional sports is so typical of his mindless trolling with all sorts of racist tropes. I don’t recall his use of that same term for the behavior of those chareidi fringe elements who attacked security forces during the Peleg demonstrations and literally dozens of incidents of violence against women reported here on YWN over the years. Within moderation, there is no reason that following pro sports is per se a problem any more so than hanging out at Thursday night chulent fest with your chevrah.

    #1724090

    funnybone
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    Joseph: can you quote countless sources?

    #1724171

    Joseph
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    funnybone: I find it rather mildly amusing instead to keep you hanging.

    #1724188

    DovidBT
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    In answer to the OP, why would you want to “follow sports” if you don’t watch the games?

    #1724250

    馃憫RebYidd23
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    Following sports is dumb. Instead, why don’t you keep a careful record of the books read by your local librarian (if he or she doesn’t mind)? The only proper way to enjoy sports is to play.

    #1724382

    Gadolhadorah
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    Reb Yidd: Many sports fans do BOTH, play and watch. I enjoy both tennis and golf (which generally are more amenable to seniors). Watching the pros, especially golfers, execute their skills on the course on a Sunday tournament, actually enhance challenge of replicating the same shots on the course the following week. Tennis I find a bit less exciting to watch as a spectator. Baseball to me is like watching paint dry.

    #1724508

    Joseph
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    GHD: Does your senior center have a golf course?

    #1724528

    Yserbius123
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    No.

    #1724547

    馃憫RebYidd23
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    Playing AND watching is like reading books, but also watching other people read.

    #1724578

    The entire source of sports and watching sports is from the Roman and Greek coliseums. (Hence the birth of the Olympics).

    The Greek culture that the Chashmonoyim battled, remained with some Jewish MisYavnim.

    They passed the “mesorah” of Greek Culture to those that follow sports, but it is the same Culture of MisYavnim from the past..

    Mi L’Hashem Eiloy is the battle call to erase the Grrek Culture from our midst.

    #1724614

    馃憫RebYidd23
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    Almost every culture has some kind of sport.

    #1724619

    Eli Y
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    “The entire source of sports and watching sports is from the Roman and Greek coliseums. (Hence the birth of the Olympics).’

    Oy–you say this with such conviction but it is an erroneous statement. China had no archery competitions prior to the Greeks? Or simply no-one watched?

    #1724838

    Nechomah
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    GHD, just a word of caution about tennis and seniors. Make sure you are not overweight and try to play doubles rather than singles. The pressure and jarring on your knees from running back and forth on the court can aggravate or even cause arthritis, and even in hips. If you feel pain in these joints, sit down, rest, put some ice, take an anti-inflammatory and see if it goes away. If it does not, then tennis may not be a good sport for you. Better to try cycling, swimming, or rowing, as these are sports that do not involve impact-loading and are kinder to your weightbearing joints.

    #1724841

    CTLAWYER
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    @dovidbt

    There is a wonderful invention called radio. I listen to baseball, I don鈥檛 watch it.

    #1724980

    DovidBT
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    @ctlawyer

    The OP referenced “watching the games”, not listening to them on the radio.

    #1725029

    klugeryid
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    Is Greek yogurt made from Greek cultures?
    I’d stay away from sports as it seems to impair cognitive ability
    . Case in point
    The Op asked about following sports without watching
    G h who seems to be on the yes side is busy pontificating about watching and playing. Two things not in the original question
    Having said that, I personally agree with ry23

    #1725055

    If you google “The History of Sports, From Ancient Times to Modern Day” you will see confirmed that:
    “Ancient Greece introduced formal sports, with the first Olympic Games in 776 BC, that included sports such as human and chariot races, wrestling, jumping, disk and javelin throwing, and more.”

    This Greek Culture infiltrated Bnei Yisroel and many became MisYavnim. The CHashmonoyim fought this Greek Culture, but some Yidden nebech retained it. Those that continue in this Greek “mesorah” today, are following in the derech of the MisYavnim.

    #1725134

    I am sure among the MisYavnim there were many kluger yidden, maybe iber chochomim, but they adopted Greek Culture (I don’t know if they did or didn’t eat Greek Yogurt).

    #1725310

    CTLAWYER
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    @dovidbt
    actually, the OP posted “NOT” watching the games………………..
    Thus my comment about radio. I follow baseball and listen to the games, I don’t watch them

    #1725364

    Sports are a form if avodah zara where one worships the human body and physical form. It is the opposite of ruchniyus and kedusha where we value the soul and spiritual pursuits.

    #1725437

    WolfishMusings
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    Sports are a form if avodah zara where one worships the human body and physical form. It is the opposite of ruchniyus and kedusha where we value the soul and spiritual pursuits.

    And yet, just about every yeshiva allows their kids to play some form of sports during recess. And just about every summer camp allows kids to play sports.

    I guess practically every yeshiva and camp official are facilitating avoda zara, according to you.

    The Wolf

    #1725455

    Joseph
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    Wolf: The comment you quoted would only apply to professional sports and being a spectator not to playing sports non-professionally.

    #1725501

    ocho sinco
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    Which sport are you referring to that people worship the body?

    #1725485

    Wolf: In addition to Joseph’s astute reply, your point is “Mommy, everyone else is doing it, so it must be ok”. If you would be at time of Egel Haahav, you would say the same, look, if so many are doing it – even Aharon Hacohen, it must be ok. The erev rav or misyavnim have infiltrated bnei Yisroel, and yeshivas are victims like anyone else. Some yeshivos have leagues and other forms of sports avoda zara – that doesn’t make it ok.

    #1725731

    馃憫RebYidd23
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    Professional sports are about the destruction of the body, not worship. Injuries are extremely common and accepted as a fact of sports.

    #1725817

    I would suggest that someone who worships the avoda zara of sports is possul l’eidus, cannot be part of a minyan and his non-mevushal wine is ossur. If he is drowning, there is no mitzva to save him.

    #1725883

    klugeryid
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    If he is 诪拽讘诇诐 讻讗诇讜讛 And 注讜讘讚 讗讜转诐 then 讗讛”谞
    But In most cases no ”worship ” takes place
    As opposed to let’s say someone who is 诪诇注讬讙 注诇 讚讘专讬 讞讻诪讬诐, let’s say by calling a gemora ”a joke ”
    On such a person is said 讻诇 讛诪诇注讬讙 注诇 讚讘专讬 讞讻诪讬诐 谞讬讚讜谉 讘爪讜讗讛 专讜转讞转
    Just like that other 诪诇注讬讙 注诇 讚讘专讬 讞讻诪讬诐
    讬砖讜 讛谞讜爪专讬
    An 注”讝 himself

    #1726598

    MrSarahLevine613
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    the posts above are ridiculous. Is watching sports better or worse than posting all day on the internet chat rooms ? There is nothing wrong with it — unless you are going to tell me that instead of watching sports you are going to go feed the homeless or cure the lepers. Then — you shouldnt watch sports.

    #1726632

    馃憫RebYidd23
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    Mr. Sarah Levine, watching sports is worse than posting all day in the chatrooms. It is maybe slightly better than watching other people on their computers.

    #1726661

    Jersey Jew
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    Gadolhadorah,

    Cut it out for goodness sakes. NOT EVERYTHING IS RACIST!!!!

    Stop looking at everyone thru YOUR racially motivated glasses.

    YOU are the one with the “problem” and NO ONE weeks!

    #1726706

    The chasid
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    Go learn a Blat Gemarah

    #1726835

    Avi K
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    Rav Kahane said that the big test of emuna was going to a double header at Yankee Stadium and knowing that you can’t eat the franks. Now it is not true. I even saw a picture of the bassari stand with a sign “Chassidishe shechita”.

    I cannot answer better than Rav Nota Schiller. Pook chazi.

    #1726900

    too geshmak
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    I’m not sure if we are talking about adults or children. Certainly it would be better for an adult not to be involved in this shtus. But I would say, and my Rav agrees, that when it comes to children, sports is the lesser of most evils. Certainly something like woodworking would be more kosher, but not every kid will be grabbed by that. Besides sports there are so many other temptations kids can fall into from online gaming, to movies, to the apikorsus and worst things you can find on the internet. We have to think long and hard what the ramifications are before we say no to an outlet. Will saying no lead him to something better or worse? Besides kids who play ball naturally want to follow the professionals because they like the sport. So if I want my kids to be active and healthy, I would let them follow the pros and hope they grow out of it as they mature. Many of our gedolim in America grew up following sports, i doubt any of them grew up in the other schmutz kids could easily fall into nowadays

    #1727031

    too geshmak, do you apply such justifications to let’s say…kashrus?

    Kids are surrounded by so many temptations of treif food outlets, better allow them to eat things that are only osssur m’drabbonon (chicken with milk) to avoid them eating a cheeseburger.

    Let’s say…shabbos:

    Kids get bored on shabbos, better that they play with muktza than use things that are melochos min haTorah.
    Is that a cheshbon? If it isn’t for food, why is it a cheshbon for other areas of yiddishkeit?!

    #1727033

    MrSarahLevine613
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    “Mr. Sarah Levine, watching sports is worse than posting all day in the chatrooms. It is maybe slightly better than watching other people on their computers.”

    Why? Is it better or worse that looking at abstract art? Is it better or worse than going to a museum? (Dont say which museum — any one you want to chose)> Is it better or worse than listening to music? Is it better or worse than sitting outside doing nothing? Is it better or worse than going out to eat?

    #1727023

    馃憫RebYidd23
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    Do kids who enjoy woodworking follow the careers of famous woodworkers?

    #1727032

    MrSarahLevine613
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    “Certainly it would be better for an adult not to be involved in this shtus.”

    Again — if you feel that “leisure” is outside of Torah — i guess you are right. However, to me — if you believe that which is not “assur” is “mutar” (obviously, i read last week’s Parsha) — and assuming that if you were not watching the Jets lose — you would be finishing Shas — i think that criticizing people who do so smacks self righteousness.

    #1727725

    too geshmak
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    Rebbitzen golden, to compare kashrus and shabbos to sports is disingenuous. There is no way you actually consider those 3 things at the same level. And if you do, well that is the height of daas bal habayis, you’d have to lack perspective completely and I would say you would probably be raising some confused children. When we confuse feelings with halacha, and we can no longer show our kids logical reason why something is wrong, they put the idea in their head that the whole religion is illogical because they cant separate hashkafa from halacha either. Maybe that’s what happened to you when you were younger, and that’s why you confuse sports with kashrus or shabbos. And you can answer that I just dont understand how serious an “issur” following sports is, but I would challenge you to find any issur to follow sports, or even to watch. Going to a stadium may be problematic but even here there are many who would allow it just as they allow taking your children to the circus on chol hamoed. Just a few months ago a well known rav in eretz yisroel was seen on a viral video learning at an English soccer match. He clearly had no interest in what was going on, but felt this was a kosher way to spend quality time with his children and grandchildren.

    #1727750

    Avi K
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    RY, why not? In high school I took a course called the History and Development of Science. Several books have been written about famous scientists and mathematicians. Einstein’s letters are sold at auction for millions.

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