December 18, 2009 1:40 am at 1:40 am #590970
My sister has a dog that will not budge from the front of her house. Follows the kids to bus and comes back. It won’t leave. What should she do?December 18, 2009 5:23 am at 5:23 am #670758YW Moderator-77Member
Be moichel it.December 18, 2009 6:34 am at 6:34 am #670759
call the ASPCADecember 18, 2009 8:06 am at 8:06 am #670760YW Moderator-80Member
As 77 says.
She should face the dog, have in mind that if it is a gilgul of someone who has harmed her, that she is moichel that Neshama for whatever it is that it did. She should say moichel lach 3 timesDecember 18, 2009 9:02 am at 9:02 am #670761
talking fish much?:D:D:DDecember 18, 2009 9:33 am at 9:33 am #670762haifagirlParticipant
bombmaniac – I don’t understand your post, and don’t see how it contributes to the topic. I apologize for being ignorant, but could you please explain it?December 18, 2009 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #670763arcParticipant
Haifa so that they can pick up the stray.December 18, 2009 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm #670764
no…the talking fish…you never heard the stories? fish is really a gilgul of a person who needs to be mechaper for something…so it starts talking, or saying “shema”, you honestly never heard the stories?December 18, 2009 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #670765Pashuteh YidMember
Dogs are man’s best friends. Nice Doggy.December 18, 2009 9:11 pm at 9:11 pm #670766
My sister and her husband both told the dog that they mochel it 3 times. I think its still there. My brother in law walked to shul the other day and the dog followed him the whole way, he came home triumphant that it wasn’t there anymore only to see it back again!December 19, 2009 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #670767
I heard that duct tape and havdalah wine is useful for getting rid of a dog. Oh, whoops. Wrong thread. That’s a wart. Sorry.December 19, 2009 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #670768
This is so eerie. A similar thing happened to us a month after my Bubby O”H died. She was nifteres on Purim and on Shabbos Pesach, on what would have been her 87th birthday and also was the day of her Shloshim, a beautiful black and white dog came into our yard and would not leave. The particularly weird thing about this is that whenever my Bubby was in need of a blood transfusion (because of her fatal disease of the bone marrow), she would periodically begin to hallucinate for a couple of days, and always saw a black and white dog sitting under her sewing machine. P.S. because the dog exhibited incredibly smart and charming qualities, we who would NEVER have considered having a dog in our home for any reason, alowed him to become our cherished family pet. He was a phenomenal watchdog, and incredibly loyal to us. We always felt that Bubby had sent him to take care of us when she was gone, as she herself had taken care of us (she lived with us) for the last thirty years of her life.
I don’t know about the gilgul part, but it’s really fascinating when an animal shows up suddenly, won’t leave, then attaches itself to someone.December 20, 2009 4:08 am at 4:08 am #670769tamazaballMember
yes but isint it a bit freaky!! a dog that follows you, what happems if they mochel it and doesnt go?December 20, 2009 5:35 am at 5:35 am #670770haifagirlParticipant
oomis: That’s really a beautiful story. My mother used to hallucinate about pigs. I’m really glad one of those didn’t show up. 🙂December 20, 2009 6:53 am at 6:53 am #670771
was he ever arrested??? lol cops…pigs…December 20, 2009 7:17 am at 7:17 am #670772
do you have any children who are in need of some help?
Through the machinations of an uncle who thought of himself as a shadchan for people and animals, we got a dog when I was 14 years old. She changed the course of my life, from one that was headed to bitterness and anger, to a kinder gentler life, mostly due to what I learned from her, and the behavior she encouraged in me. Without her, my life would have taken a much different course.
She showed generosity, kindness, loyalty, enthusiasm, friendship and affection to me, and rewarded the same attributes in me, paying more attention to my learning these than any human could. She was an excellent listener. I’m not sure I would have gotten through my teenage years without her.
She looked at me with such admiration that I tried to live up to her image of me (Dogowners prayer: Oh, Lord, please let me be half as good as my dog thinks I am.)
Maybe this dog is your bashert pet.December 20, 2009 8:04 am at 8:04 am #670773HealthParticipant
I had a dog once on my porch. What I think happens is that it’s owner wasn’t too careful and the dog got loose. Dogs aren’t too bright and if they wander too far from home (in other words- got lost) they decide that your house is their’s. So they follow you and won’t leave. In other words they think you are it’s owner. I could have kept the dog, it’s even better than buying one because it’s already loyal to you. I couldn’t because I would be the talk of the neighboorhood, because very few frum Jews own dogs. Also, if you decide to keep it, maybe one day the owner will sober up and come looking for his dog. If he finds it, you will have to give it up and this will be very hard to do after you have grown close to it. So what did I do? I called animal control and they took it to the pound!December 20, 2009 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #670774
“oomis: That’s really a beautiful story. My mother used to hallucinate about pigs. I’m really glad one of those didn’t show up. 🙂 “
I just had my first real laugh of the day, getting a visual from your post! As to the pigs, well, I have had a few people at my Shabbos tish who might have fit that description!!!! 🙂December 20, 2009 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm #670775PosterMember
Call someone to remove it. Dogs that arn’t properly trained can be harmful.December 21, 2009 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #670776
Go Figure.December 21, 2009 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #670777
Maybe your mother is just a better cook?December 21, 2009 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #670778
From the size of the neighbors kids, the food at that home was hardly the issue.
Was the dog a gilgul? Did my mother use less garlic than the Irish cook? The dog never said one way or another.
In cases like this, I like to fall back on the quip said in the name of the Satmar Rebbe (R’ Yoel):
Anyone who belives every “rebbisheh maaseh” (Chassidic story) is a tipish (a simpleton)
Anyone who says NO “rebbisheh maaseh” ever happened is an apikoires (a heteric)
So I guess this one falls somewhere in betweenDecember 21, 2009 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #670779dovershMember
So sad that the frum oilem totally is not into owning dogs. Great animals to have around and especially great for kids to learn responsibility, loyalty, friendship, healthy fun. Always regretted that one of my kids (now almost an adult) did not have a dog growning up. Too chicken to buck the system, shidduchim and all that.December 21, 2009 11:10 pm at 11:10 pm #670780
Seeing as how 90% of the frum crowd lives in a metro area, its really kind of selfish to have a dog, if you’re going to keep it locked up indoors most of the day. Add to that, by the time the child in question is old enough to take care of said dog, they are likely coming home after 6:00, so when would they walk it? Then its off to camp for 2 months, so that would mean its suddenly MY dog. Then there’s dog related issues on Shabbos that is very problematic, so that’s out too.
As for learning things like responsibility, loyalty, healthy fun, ect; that’s what siblings and friends (and ultimately spouses) are for.December 22, 2009 4:52 am at 4:52 am #670781
A dog is not for everyone, but for those who love pets, you cannot ask for a more loyal, protective one. As I had said earlier, we would never have gotten a dog. I spent the first ten years of my life terrified of them, and neither of my parents wanted a chayeh in the house (other than a parakeet). But when that dog came into our yard as I described, he had such chein, and we were all emotionally vulnerable as it was, due to the loss we had suffered, that we were all hooked immediately. He was unbelievably protective of us – no burglar would have ever even tried to break in, and if a stranger came to the house, he was immediately on guard and ever-watchful until we told him to relax. He also always waited up for my parents to come home from work (they had very late hours), and never went to sleep until they walked in the door.
For a frum person who wants to have a dog in the home, there are ways to do so, without compromising halachic issues, Shabbos or otherwise.December 22, 2009 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #670782The Best BubbyParticipant
I have always been terrified of dogs, due to the story of my late Father Z’TL running from the nazis yimach shemum ve zichrum and they let loose alsation (german shepherd) dogs on him. As my Father Z’TL was from Stanislav in Galicia and knew his city (the nazis did not know the city), he ran in to a disused warehouse and ran up 4 floors. The dogs followed up and my Father Z’TL jumped from the window to save his life, with Hashem’s help. He hurt his ankle and kept running till he found a beis medrash (it was empty). The dogs didn’t jump from the windows, of course and ran down the 4 flight of stairs. It was enough time for my Father Z’TL to flee for his life. He stayed in the beit medrash and in the evening he wanted to leave and an apparition of his Uncle Avraham Z’TL (who had sent him kaporot in 1936 to the polish army), told him it was not safe to leave and he should hide there for 3 days and then he will be safe with Hashem’s great chesed.
My frum neighbor up the road, got a dog (part collie) and we used to walk to the park nearby everyday for her exercise and ours! At first, I was so scared of the dog and would not even enter their home, never mind walking with the dog. After a while the dog got used to me and by then they got a second dog and I finally walked with the neighbor and dogs to the park every day except Shabbos and Yom Tov. When people dressed as Arabs in their long robes (hajibs) wanted to attack us in the park (totally frum neighborhood like Flatbush), the dog (one died years ago) protected us and he wanted to eat them alive! We called the police on our mobiles and the Shomrim and they caught the yemach shemam ve zicram Arabs and they were arrested! Now, I can walk with Molly (dogs name) and not have any fear!
On Pesach when she can not have the regular chometz dog food, I send up my cooked chickens from the soup for her to eat!December 22, 2009 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #670783
thats a very nice story :D:D:DDecember 22, 2009 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #670784A600KiloBearParticipant
Call your local wannabe mekubal and have a puisa denura placed on it. 1-800-DEAD-DOG is another service you can try. Finally, if you have a local Korean greengrocer, ask him to come over and collect the dog, and then warn your non-Jewish neighbors not to buy any prepared food from him for the next week or so.
Seriously I would purchase dog repellent at any garden center and apply it to the property in question. The dog could be ill and could pose a problem if it bites.
I wanted a giant breed dog both as a pet and for security (at one time I legitimately had to deal with large amounts of cash) but decided against it for many reasons.
Instead I got a 600 kilo polar bear from a circus and hence my nickname.December 23, 2009 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #670785nfgo3Member
Why did your sister buy the dog if she wants it to go away?
The title of the thread is “Stray Dog,” not “Bought Dog.” -77December 23, 2009 9:19 pm at 9:19 pm #670786smartcookieMember
Did the dog still not move from her home? Is it still constantly there?December 23, 2009 10:31 pm at 10:31 pm #670787
I think the dog is still there, but my sister and her family is out of town so I guess its good because its watching over the house.December 23, 2009 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #670788smartcookieMember
Wow. This is really interesting.December 24, 2009 5:27 am at 5:27 am #670789
dogs are very special among all the creatures of the earth. They are one of the very few species that seek humans out for COMPANY. Some animals seek us out because we’re tasty, but most fear us and wisely keep their distance.
Dogs like us, and have many of the attributes we admire and foster in other human beings — gratitude, enthusiasm, loyalty, etc.December 24, 2009 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #670790workingMember
Dogs are beautiful creatures that are nice in other peoples houses. I personally wouldnt touch a dog with a 10 foot pole and I dont either go near it. I would have a panic attack if one doesnt want to go away from my house. Call the proffessionals for it.December 24, 2009 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #670791
yup thats why G-D invented the ASPCA :D:D:D:DDecember 25, 2009 5:41 am at 5:41 am #670792HalelujahMember
Tell your kids if they want hot dogs for supper, they better start moving!
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