Tachanun

It’s a Mitzvah Shelo Lishmah. Does that make you a bad person?

CA: That’s because she knew that if he would successfully say Tachanun that her brother, the Nasi, would die (see the Aruch Hashulchan on that, it’s interesting and makes sense).

I know that’s the reason sam,

The reason that is is bc he was in pain so tachnun=pain and people don’t like pain

I believe that since, in Tachnun we submit ourselves to Hashem’s Din, we refrain from expressing that in a situation it might mean more than we were counting on.

As to why people seem to hate it, that is a product of how often it is said or left out. We don’t mind Lamnatzeach so much, since besides being much shorter, it is almost never left out. Therefore, we don’t anticipate it.

1st things 1st:- Both Tachnun & Hallel come from the same book of Tehillim; so Mimonofshoch, both on Yom Ha’Atzma’ut & 23 days later on Yom Yerusholayim, we are all going to recite the same book of Tehillim, some of us from the earlier Perek 6, and other from latter Perkim 113-118.

By a Shiva, we also are all going to recite the same book of Tehillim, some of us from Chapter 16 {or 49 according to some Minhogim} whereas other will still be reciting Chapter 6. By a Shiva we don’t recite Tachanun because Tachnun reminds us of Din, and by a Shiva in the immediate aftermath of the departure of a beloved, who cannot be thinking of the ongoing Din of the recently departed individual!! I hope this answered your 2nd question, Gubbish.

As for your 1st question Gubbish, your very 1st question should have been:- How can I Daven at a shiva, since there is a Halocho:- That 1 should always Daven at his/her Mokom Kavu’a, and not be Minyan jumping around. I was taught many years ago at a Halocho shiur, that despite this Halocho, sometimes other considerations override this Halocho, such as the Chessed of being “Menachem Avail”. Clearly, not having a Minjan at a Shiva house, and even having to await a Minjan, is a Bizoyon both to the Deceased’s Neshomo & to the Availim, whereas a large crowd is a huge Kovod both to the Niftor & the Availim, so you Gubbish should absolutey attend the Shiva Minjan, eventhough you will be omitting Tachnun. Reciting Perek 16 {49} and a Mishna Shiur will probably take more time than Tachnun, anyways.

By attending the Minjan at the Shiva, not only are you not being bad about Tachanun, but you are being a Tzaddik for fulfilling and complying with a Torah obligation of “VeHolachto BiDerochov” :- “Mah Hu Menachem Avail >>> Gam Atoh Menachem Avail!!!”

no tachanun tomorrow- see http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/yahrtzeit-of-yehuda-leib-horowitz

Many years ago I was leading services at a small Steibel, and after Schacharis Amida, sat down to Tachnun, despite some old guy screaming at me to say Kaddish. After services he was so livid at me for having no respect for his revered Rebbe, whose Johrzeit was on that day.

I made it as clear as crystal to him, that my recitation of Tachanun had absolutely nothing to do with disdain for his Rebbe, and that I even recite Tachnun on Adar 7th, even though clearly I respect Moshe Rabbeinu, but quite simply:- Schulchon Orech makes no mention in the list of dates of Tachnun omission, neither of Adar 7th, nor vis a vis private dates, of any Yohrzeit like say for a Beris or Chosson. Despite my response to him, he remained livid at me, but clearly I had nothing to apologize to him about, being that I was conforming to the Shulchon Oruch.

So to answer your question Gubbish, you should absolutely have recited Tachnun today, and you Gefen should absolutely recite Tachnun tomorrow Monday.

When I find myself at some Minjan not reciting Tachnun on a Tachnun day, I recite it quitely as per a Pesak from my Rosh Yeshiva ZTKLLH’H, and if I know ahead that they will be omitting Tachnun when it is supposed to be recited, will already recite Tachnun after silent Amida prior to Chazoras haShatz.