October 15, 2017 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm #1381262
I noticed that tallis katan are available for order with thick tzitzis. (I lack the skill to tie the tzitzis myself, so I have to get them pre-tied.)
I have thick tzitzis on my tallis gadol, and I like the fact that they’re much more durable than the thin ones.
Do you think that thick tzitzis on a tallis katan would be too cumbersome?October 16, 2017 12:13 am at 12:13 am #1381398
IMO, no they are not cumbersome.October 16, 2017 12:49 am at 12:49 am #1381416Takes2-2tangoParticipant
Way too cumbersome. People i know tried it and changed right back to regular. And there is no mitzvah in hiddur with thicker.October 16, 2017 7:15 am at 7:15 am #1381428Tzvi hershParticipant
I like the thick tzitzis. It gives the image of a healthy Yid.October 16, 2017 7:15 am at 7:15 am #1381438
t22t: I just want to make sure…..your answer is not based on your own experience, only on what others have told you? My answer is based on my personal experience.October 16, 2017 7:56 am at 7:56 am #1381478Takes2-2tangoParticipant
*I like the thick tzitzis. It gives the image of a healthy Yid*
Does blogging on yeshiva world also make you a healthy yid. Just want to know the parameters of how one becomes a ” healthy yid*October 16, 2017 8:41 am at 8:41 am #1381486lowerourtuition11210Participant
takes22tango: Why do you say that “thicker tzitzis” is not a hiddur? If I have a personal preference and perceive that they last longer and look nicer then, to me, it is a hiddur. The fact that it is not your preference does not mean it is not a hiddur,October 16, 2017 10:24 am at 10:24 am #1381547blubluhParticipant
I purchased a few pairs of “thick tzitis” tallis katan before yom tov and the tzitzis were *not* those typically found on a tallis gadol, but about 1/2 as thick (my casual estimate).
It could be that since the beged of a tallis katan is of thinner material than that of a tallis gadol, the stress of heavier tzitzis could lead to premature ripping of the eyelets.
One, of course, has the option of purchasing the beged and tzitis separately and tying one’s own tzitzis using a talis gadol set as an experiment. Tzitzis tying is actually not that difficult to do, but it does require time and patience, two things I find I have less of as I get older (sigh).October 16, 2017 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #1381717yitzykParticipant
I always buy talis koton’s with the Thick tzitzis. They are thicker than the pathetically thin regular ones, which rip too easily.
Not as thick as a Tallis Godol but definitely noticeable if you plan on tucking them in. I switched over long ago when I looked at the thin tzitzis and felt like a baby. Once I switched I felt more proud of the mitzvah.October 16, 2017 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1381769
Why don’t you wear your Talis Koton on top of your shirt instead of under your shirt?October 16, 2017 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1382022
Thanks for the responses. It sounds like thick tzitzis are the better choice.
Another option is round neck vs. v-neck. I’m inclined toward v-neck, since that would seem to provide a little more ventilation.October 16, 2017 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #1382153
Have you yet considered the issue between cotton and wool?October 16, 2017 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #1382480
“Why don’t you wear your Talis Koton on top of your shirt instead of under your shirt?”
I don’t know.
“Have you yet considered the issue between cotton and wool?”
Yes.October 16, 2017 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1382493
DovidBT: I have and use both round neck and v-neck. What tzitzis I wear depends on whether I am wearing a round neck or v-neck undershirt. I prefer the v-neck tzitzis when wearing a v-neck undershirt.October 16, 2017 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #1382495
And size? According to the Chazon Ish the minimum shiur for tzitzis is 24.October 16, 2017 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1382509shualiParticipant
There is a discussion amongst the poskim how (i.e. from where) to measure the size of the beged when there is a slit (v-neck). There is also a machlokes between the Mishnah Berurah and the Chazon Ish how to measure the beged (from the shoulders or from the bottom of the neck hole. Ask your LOR. Regarding cotton and wool: Cotton may be a chiyuv d’Rabbonon while wool is min ha’Torah. Ask your LOR. Rav Yaakov Kaminetsky wore cotton during the week and wool on Shabbos. The Steipler wore cotton always as did the Vilna Gaon. See Maaseh Rav for reasons. The Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, I believe, discusses thick versus thin tzitzis. Asknypur LOR. Few mitzvos are a matter of opinion.October 16, 2017 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1382550
I think Joseph meant to say that the size of the garment needs to be 24 inches according to the Chazon Ish. According to R’ Moshe TZATZAL it is 21.25 inches and on can be machmir up to 23 inches (http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=916&st=&pgnum=228&hilite=) and according to R’ Chaim Noeh it is 18.9 inches (http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=20888&st=&pgnum=326)October 16, 2017 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #1382562HarotzehbilumshmoParticipant
Dovidbt: I recently saw a p’sak from R’ Chaim K that you can not have tzitsis that look like they belong on a talis gadol on a talis koton. I do not remember the issue. You may want to ask you ravOctober 16, 2017 9:18 pm at 9:18 pm #1382607shualiParticipant
Wearing Over/Under: It would seem from halachah (perhaps it’s al pi kabbolah) that beged needs to be the second from top. When jacket or vest is worn tzitzis beged would be OVER one’s shirt. When jacket or. vest is not worn, tzitzis beged would be under shirt. There is a famous picture, however, of Rav Moshe ztzvk”l without a jacket and with his tzitzis over his shirt. On Shabbos, where there is no eiruv, there could be a problem wearing under one’s shirt where it becomes necessary to fold the beged to make it fit smoothly. Ask your LOR for guidance.
More on Size: According to the Chazon Ish the amah is measured from the shoulders IF the width of each shoulder is wider than the hole. According to the Mishnah Berurah, however, the length of the beged is from bottom of opening (from each side). Width is across according to everybody.
Many commercially bought begadim often do not measure up according to the size noted on the tag. . . Certainly not according to method described by the Mishnah Berurah and even according to the Chazon Ish since often the shoulders are not wide enough.
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