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  • October 27, 2021 4:12 pm at 4:12 pm #2021524
    Reb Eliezer
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    Why no bishul akim, can it be eaten raw?

    See https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/2021387/fake-news-claims-terra-chips-are-no-longer-kosher-they-are.html

    October 27, 2021 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #2021578
    Reb Eliezer
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    I found the OK website about granola which apples also here:

    In terms of the question of Bishul Akum, granola does not require Bishul Yisroel for numerous reasons, including that it is not eaten as a meal, but rather as a snack food, and is not a food that can be classified as being of a royal nature. (It is not the norm to eat it with bread, a person does not invite one’s friend to come over just to eat it, etc.)

    October 27, 2021 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #2021590
    Gadolhadorah
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    Didn’t the hashgacha (Kof-K?) first arrange some type of workaround on the bishul akum issue with the chip producer than affirmed their hechsher even after that workaround was no longer being used at the production facilities?
    P.S. They are really great snacks for those who want something healthy…really low sugar and for a snack food, low sodium too.

    October 27, 2021 6:17 pm at 6:17 pm #2021597
    Reb Eliezer
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    GH, yes it is in the above article.

    October 27, 2021 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #2021611
    Gadolhadorah
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    RE. Thanks. Will review the article.
    Apparently, the KofK announced yesterday that, “the product has had a change in its kashrus standard” and that effective October 26, 2021 “Due to various considerations, Terra Chips is no longer certified Bishul Yisroel”.
    Is this going to become a trend? I read recently (I think on YWN) that several Rabbonim had also raised questions regarding the “bishul yehudi’ workarounds used in most kosher restaurants.

    October 27, 2021 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #2021615
    Reb Eliezer
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    I mixed up Kof-K with OK but the above about granola of OK applies.

    October 27, 2021 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm #2021616
    shebbesonian
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    @reb eliezer:
    Whether or not potato chips need bishul yisroel depends on what the definition of Oleh al shulchan melachim is.

    If the mods allow, see this OU halacha yomi from a while back

    https:// oukosher .org/halacha-yomis/if-potatoes-are-subject-to-bishul-akum-what-about-potato-chips-must-kosher-certified-potato-chips-have-bishul-yisroel-status/

    October 27, 2021 9:01 pm at 9:01 pm #2021664
    Reb Eliezer
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    Unknowingly copied the above from the OU website:
    If potatoes are subject to bishul akum, what about potato chips? Must kosher certified potato chips have bishul Yisroel status?
    This question hinges on the following inquiry. As noted, bishul akum applies only to foods that are “oleh al shulchan melachim” (served at royal feasts, henceforth abbreviated oas”m). Must the food be oas”m in its current form (which would exclude potato chips from bishul akum, since they are not served at royal banquets) or, does it suffice that the food category can be prepared in a manner that is suitable to be oas”m (in which case potato chips are subject to bishul akum, since potatoes can be prepared as a fancy food item)?

    Rabbi Belsky, zt”l subscribed to the former position and held that potato chips are not oas”m and bishul akum does not apply. Rabbi Belsky brought as evidence the statement of the Rama (YD 112:1) that rice bread is not subject to bishul akum, because it would not be served at a royal table and is not oas”m. Plain rice is oas”m, but nonetheless rice bread is not. This proves that we consider the actual manner of preparation and not the suitability of the food category.

    October 27, 2021 9:50 pm at 9:50 pm #2021734
    Reb Eliezer
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    See also:

    Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita on American Kashrus Organizations

    October 27, 2021 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #2021764
    justlookingin
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    Healthy? Have you taken a look at the amount of fat, i.e. oil, that is in these “healthy” chips?

    October 28, 2021 8:49 am at 8:49 am #2021838
    Gadolhadorah
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    “Have you taken a look at the amount of fat, i.e. oil, that is in these “healthy” chips?”

    Yes, I absolutely have looked and they are relatively “healthier” than regular potato chips. For a typical 1 oz serving (which seems to be the standard metric even though most of us grab more) the Terra Chips have roughly half the saturated a total fat of regular kettle potato chips and also have lower sugar and sodium percentages depending on which brand of potato chips you are comparing.
    The BEST (aka healthiest) alternative would be making your own veggie chips at hope in an air fryer. I’ve tried making them a few times and they are OK but not as good as the Terra Chips.

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