Typical Yearly Cost for EY Bais Medrash

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  • #591142
    bpt
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    I have heard lots of what seminary costs, but what does sending a 21-22 year old bochur cost? I was told a shared “deerah” runs about $200-300 per person, but what does tuition cost? Phone bills? Food? How many r/t flights in the 12 months?

    I’m not asking to name names, but figure on the standard post-Bklyn yeshiva bochur, and the Brisk / Mir / BMG type of boy.

    How much am I looking at?

    #823465
    bombmaniac
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    your arm…your leg…and your firstborn son!

    #823466
    AZ
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    Don’t know, but if he goes for 9 months instead of a year and a half……

    #823467
    bpt
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    Ok, let me rephrase the question:

    HS tuition in NY runs between $5000-8000 per child, depending on who you are and where you send. I’m told, seminary is in the $10 to 12 range.

    Where does the EY situation for boys fall?

    #823468
    mamashtakah
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    Why any return flights? The kid’s not old enough to be here for a year without going home? He doesn’t have any relatives/friends he can go to for the chagim?

    #823469
    hello99
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    I’m married about 15 years so my info isn’t current, but since noone else is answering i’ll share ny 2 cents. In my days a Mir/Brisk dira ran 80-100$ per boy per month. plus say $20 utilties and $100 meals in Brisk (Mir serves 3 meals a day). Take into account laundry and other misc and a frugal boy shouldn’t need more then $300/month, $200 in the Mir. If he gets into the Mir dorm, life can be virtually free.

    #823470
    Poster
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    hello99,many boys are not very frugal. I have a brother in law that is learning in the Mir. He is a real masmid, would not miss a seder or zman tefilla, but likes to be comfortable, and enjoys nice things (like many of us). Mir serves 3 meals, but he’d prefer to buy supper, either go out to eat or quick takeout; schwarma, shnitzel… He enjoys the bagel shop, or pizza for lunch. He travels around by taxi (as apposed to bus) and occasionally, he and his friends will rent a car for a shabbos getaway to Miron or Tzfas. Nothing harmful, like I said, he is really ehrliche boy that doesnt make trouble, but he ends up spending a nice amount of money a month. All these little things add up…(and I am not talking about laundry and utilities)

    #823471
    tzippi
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    Poster,funny you mention that. When my husband was in the dorm, if he didn’t like what was being served he just went hungry. (He was pretty skinny at the time.) Wonder why the boys now won’t make do with pas b’melech, or pb, at least a good part of the time.

    #823472
    hello99
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    Poster: I know and don’t disagree. I simply stated the minimum one could spend in my experience, and I feel a parent may demand their child live frugally if he wants to learn in EY.

    #823473
    Poster
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    There are boys that do not come to Israel with enough spending money, many of them find ways to make money. Once when leaving from a trip to Israel, my husband’s friend (then not yet married, learning there) approaced him and said he borrowed someones car and is driving someone to the airport, for 120 shekel, he will take us too. That is cheaper than taxi so we went with him. I assume he charged the other guy 120 as well, and I wouldnt be surprised if he found someone in the airport to bring to Yerushalayim for another 120 or more.

    #823474

    poster: do u send your kid to e.y to learn or work?

    #823475
    Poster
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    WOTW, I do not have children of age yet, I am simply stating facts of cases that I know. I dont think these are exceptions. The boy that drove us to the airport was in yeshiva learning a whole day, this was at night. He must be very tight on cash. There are bucherim that get jobs to pack away the sefarim, this is not instead of their learning this is in addition to.

    #823476
    tzippi
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    To wordofthewise: ever heard of work study?

    If this is the appropriate time for this boy to go and the parents can’t afford the whole nine yards, the boy should be resourceful enough either to pitch in with savings, or live as responsibly as he can while there.. If that means working part time, so be it.

    Do you have a problem with a boy/young man working while in the US or otherwise chu”l during the zman, e.g. haircuts, tutoring, or whatever he can find?

    #823477
    tzippi
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    To wordofthewise: sorry if my tone was a bit confrontational (“ever heard of work study?”)

    But this is not a bad thing for our boys. I’m not saying you subscribe to this, but there seems to be a school of thought that feels that if a boy concentrates on absolutely anything but learning, he has to go back to square one or something or he won’t reach gadlus (or his full potential). I beg to differ.

    #823478
    bpt
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    But what does tuition to the yeshiva itself run? Eating out and renting cars is something that can be managed, but tuition has got to be the biggest part of the package.

    And mamashtakeh, I sort of agree with you (that a 22 y/o should be able to make his own arragments for Yom Tov) but the truth is, I don’t want to let 12 months go by without seeing my son face to face. Alot can happen in a year (flipping in or out) and hopefully me or my wife would spot something before it becomes a problem.

    #823479

    sorry to all offended

    when a parent want to send a bachor to learn in E.Y i dont think they are interested in him making money to support himself. and if parents cant afford to send them there are people these days who dont go to E.Y.

    and yes there are always people in yeshivas binding giving haircuts i did them my self but thats in yeshiva not out of yeshiva!

    and yes if he wants to go work (and learn)nothing wrong either

    #823480
    arc
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    I was in EY for a few years, I came home every Pesach. Technically I could have stayed but very few did and both my parents and I wanted to spend Pesach together.

    These days you can expect to give $100-$150 spending money monthly add that to the cost of a dira mentioned above.

    #823481
    arc
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    ETA my last $100-$150 at the minimum.

    #823482
    hello99
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    BPTotty: Mir and Brisk do not charge tuition.

    #823483

    sorry mir does charge

    #823484
    oomis
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    Some kids do NOT have any friends or relatives at whose homes they could stay bein hazmanim. It is one thing to spend a Shabbos by a friend of a friend, but expecting to be put up for a few weeks is really an imposition on someone’s generosity. So going home becomes a necessity, if all the other students are going home. That does not reflect poorly on their inability to be away for the year.

    #823485
    hello99
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    That’s new. How much?

    #823486
    hello99
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    oomis: if he’s renting an apt, he can stay there and if he’s in the dorm it is likely to be open.

    #823487

    My son was enrolled in the Mir. He never actually went, but we got to the point of discussing tuition. They certainly do charge tuition but they are VERY flexible and will accept whatever you can afford. At least that was my experience.

    #823488
    bpt
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    Thanks, Mod 80. I was hoping to keep the pay scale at close to what I’m paying here for Bais Medrash, so this gives me an idea of what’s in store

    #823489

    I have 2 sons in E’Y , one in a dormitory yeshiva tuition is less then what we payed in the states to allow for him to come home for Pesach.He buys some food but mostly makes due with yeshiva food.It is that yeshivas policy that unless staying with family members for the entire off time all bochrim come home.He has some minor expenses less than $50 a month. The other is in a shared dira $150 a month plus phone,laundry,utilities and some food and misc about $300 a month total.

    #823490
    bpt
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    Sooooo, now its time to dust off the cobwebs of this thread, as all of a sudden, I’m in the driver’s seat.

    Guess what? It’s costing about 30% MORE than what it costed here is the US of A.

    So while its not costing anywhere close to what girls Sem costs, boys are not getting away with a free ride either.

    But, Its all good. If his “cost” from KG thru HS (which, like all kids) exceeded 6 figures, was worth the price tag, the extra few thou’ for the year+ overseas will be the icing on the cake.

    And best of all, the BMG entrance (and exit)countdown beings!

    #823492
    Toi
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    first of all how in the world did syags comment make it through.

    for the op- i just got married and was in one of the brisk-esque yeshovos. so heres the lowdown. a dira will cost between 130-175 a month,175 is a bit high. youll need to pay gichon, chashmal, bezeq, and maybe gas. figure another 75-100 dollars. ass spending money. this depends on which yeshiva hes in. ie if its brisk he gets all meals etc., youll have to figure it yourself. i did ok on 250 a month, but im very frugal. for bein hazmanim youll probably need to give more for food, trips, daled minim,etc. anything else?

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