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  • #1894180
    Reb Eliezer
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    syag, if you want a dictator, vote for Trump. People get what they deserve.

    #1894201
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    This is all moot. Trump did a clear political quid pro quo with US governors (!?!*%) over PPE in broad daylight.If you think the man is as honest as they come, you probably reflected long and hard, before reaching such an obvious, unanimous conclusion.

    #1894206
    Health
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    RE -“syag, if you want a dictator, vote for Trump. People get what they deserve.”

    If you Want Anarchy, Vote for Biden (Spokesman for Alzheimer’s research – primary example).

    #1894230
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,
    Biden is your average joe senator for the last thirty years. There is no easy knock here. Maybe you can talk up Trump’s attributes. Like, how he can solve the racial divide, control the pandemic, and restart the economy.

    #1894278
    Reb Eliezer
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    If you want democracy, vote for Biden and not one who hijacks the post office in order he should win and encourages the Russians to help him.

    #1894311
    Health
    Participant

    nOmesorah -“Like, how he can solve the racial divide,”

    Actually when he came into office, there wasn’t much fighting among the Races.
    Obama started right away with “Trayvon could be my son.”
    He wanted a Race War!

    “control the pandemic, and restart the economy.”

    Actually he was partially right. He should have got rid of that Loser in NIH.
    HCQ works; but You need to combine it with Zinc.
    If he would have Forced the issue – then the economy would Restart.
    There are a lot of Docs that use HCQ + Zn for Covid 19.

    #1894552
    Dr. Pepper
    Participant

    Reb Eliezer-

    My post was meant for Dr. Hall but it’s a public forum so anyone is welcome to respond.

    Those who plan to vote for Joe Biden this November can be split into 3 categories;
    1. Those voting Democrat because they want the handouts,
    2. Those who do not want President Trump to have another four years as president and are voting against him and,
    3. Those who agree with the beliefs of the Democratic Party.

    I believe that most Frum people who will end up voting for Joe Biden this November will be in the first two categories with Dr. Hall being one of the rare exceptions.

    I tried reaching out to him (as I respect his credentials and opinion even though I disagree with him) to try and see my concerns from his point of view. Unfortunately he hasn’t responded to any of my posts recently.

    As was mentioned before- politics isn’t black and white- there’s lots of gray area. The way I see it there’s lots of gray area on the Democratic side and less on the Republican side which is why I plan to vote Republican this November.

    You mentioned that the Republicans dismissed the articles of impeachment without calling a single witness. I didn’t follow the details of this story so I don’t know if this is accurate or not.

    What I do know though is that even before President Trump was sworn in as president the Democrats were vowing to have him impeached. While that wasn’t possible when the Republicans controlled the house it became possible after the midterm elections.

    The Democrats brought up articles of impeachment that they knew had no possibility of removing the president from the White House. To me it seemed as if all they were trying to do was waste time and make the president look bad. Now he will go down in history as being impeached.

    Do you recall the glee on Nancy Pelosi’s face as she signed the articles of impeachment and gave out souvenir pens?

    While I’m no spokesperson for the GOP it seems to me that the Democrats were the ones to turn this into a kangaroo court. The Republicans did the responsible thing and threw out this waste of time that had no chance of getting anywhere as soon as possible.

    As a side point the economy has been improving steadily and unemployment claims have been going down.

    I also wouldn’t consider President Trump to be a dictator. Just the opposite!

    In a dictatorship citizens have less rights to protect themselves and make their own decisions. Which side is it that wants to take away the right to bear arms? Which side wants to get as many people as possible dependent on government handouts? Which side is it that wants to control everyone’s healthcare?

    #1894653
    Reb Eliezer
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    health, the CDC recalled their ruling using HCQ even in case of emergency and with zinc as Dr. Fauci when asked said that no randomized tests have been done so we cannot rely on it.

    #1894654
    Reb Eliezer
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    Rashi in Parashas Noach on the dor haflogah with starting words mishom hefitzom, they did not get killed like the dor hambul because there was unity. Trump strives in division whereas Biden advocates unity.

    #1894715
    Health
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    RE -“health, the CDC recalled their ruling using HCQ even in case of emergency and with zinc as Dr. Fauci when asked said that no randomized tests have been done so we cannot rely on it.”

    I’m aware of the News – that’s why it’s called Fake News.
    Let me ask a question – the Gov. does Primary Care, like in the Armed Forces, so why DON’T they do a Radomized Study? That means half are treated & half Not with Zinc & HCQ?
    You have to do it within 4 days of onset of symptoms – so sometimes you’ll treat pts. before you know the Lab results. If you treat the pt. & you get a negative result – stop the treatment & don’t include that pt. in the Study.

    #1894718
    Health
    Participant

    RE -“Trump strives in division whereas Biden advocates unity.”

    Just the opposite! The DemonCrats want to put the Black Race on top of the white race. Just to make up for past unequalities!

    #1894800
    Reb Eliezer
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    health, what you are saying requires no reply. They would have picked another black candidate for president plus many Republicans appeared in the convention and support Biden.

    #1894813
    charliehall
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    HCQ has failed multiple clinical trials. It has been proven to be useless against COVID-19. There is nothing else to day.

    #1894846
    Health
    Participant

    RE -“They would have picked another black candidate for president plus many Republicans appeared in the convention and support Biden.”

    You simply didn’t understand my post! I wasn’t talking about Kamala.
    I was talking about Race Relations, like the DemonCrats support Affirmative Action!

    #1894855
    PROUD REPUBLICAN
    Participant

    @Charli I personally know people that took HCQ and they were older people and I know people that took plasma and recovered with in 2 hours. So please stop killing them. Just because you think doesn’t help all fauci wants to do is to kill people and he wants to make a killing with his vaccine. That’s his all purpose of being where he is now.

    #1894854
    Health
    Participant

    Oh Charlie, -“HCQ has failed multiple clinical trials. It has been proven to be useless against COVID-19. There is nothing else to day.”

    You keep repeating the same Dribble time after time.
    Why don’t you look up NYU’s Study about HCQ + Zinc?!?
    Oh I know why – because it doesn’t Fit your Agenda that Promotes your TDS.

    #1894987
    Pekak
    Participant

    Dear moderator please pin post #1892468

    #1895021

    Why?

    #1895080
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    “HCQ has failed multiple clinical trials. It has been proven to be useless against COVID-19. There is nothing else to day.“

    I guess your democratic congressman for NY who thanked trump for it didn’t get the memo

    #1895152
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    Do you seriously think that this protocol is a ‘game changer’?

    [I understand that it may be eventually effective, and has shown (limited) positive results. But even the best perspectives, portray a negligible impact on the overall state of the pandemic.]

    #1895153
    Chaim Shulem
    Participant

    The only real damage is caused by us, the people, who buy in to this nonsense that there is a “right” or “wrong” side, that everything is black and white, and that we’re always on the “right” side while the other side is always wrong.

    When we allow ourselves the admit that we don’t know everything, that people are multi-layered and that “picking a side” is the most childish, moronic concept of modern politics, we and our children will be much better off.

    #1895161
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    RE -“Trump strives in division whereas Biden advocates unity.”

    Just the opposite! The DemonCrats want to put the Black Race on top of the white race. Just to make up for past unequalities!

    And this explainer:

    I was talking about Race Relations, like the DemonCrats support Affirmative Action!

    It leaves me to think of your post as incomprehensible. You may oppose Affirmative action as putting the black race on top of the white race. The supporters of it, do not.

    #1895168
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Reb Eliezer,

    For democracy to thrive, there needs to be (at least) two viable options. For a long time, neither party has conceded to the other the ability to represent the people/(right to exist). Though it seems like the Democrats are coming to terms with the idea that it is for their own good to have an opposition party that is representing the same interests. I am not convinced they will stick to it.

    #1895170
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    I endorse Chaim Shulem for party spokesperson.

    #1895171
    Health
    Participant

    nOmesorah -“Do you seriously think that this protocol is a ‘game changer’?”

    What protocol?

    #1895172
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Proud,

    The fact that certain people recovered from severe cases of coronavirus, proves nothing. The recovery rate is high. Nobody thinks coronavirus is a death sentence.

    Dr. Fauci is a government worker. Not an investor. He does not have a vaccine.

    The implicated contradiction of your two statements is very strong. It reminds me of your dual single minded support for Trump and hashem.

    #1895183
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    “control the pandemic, and restart the economy.”

    Actually he was partially right. He should have got rid of that Loser in NIH.
    HCQ works; but You need to combine it with Zinc.
    If he would have Forced the issue – then the economy would Restart.
    There are a lot of Docs that use HCQ + Zn for Covid 19.

    “he was” Trump? Right about what? The pandemic?

    “Loser in the NIH” If you say so. (You are the undeniable expert on who should be America’s top health professionals.) Collins? (Trump must have forgotten to consult with you over reconfirming his post. Or maybe he did. And he just values Vladimir Putin’s opinion more.) Fauci? (You may be onto something. Because once you get past all the breakthroughs he pioneered, and all the world leaders that relied on his advice, we are left with this anonymous account. It just proves what a nobody he really is.

    In a 2020 analysis of Google Scholar citations, Dr. Fauci ranked as the 41st most highly cited researcher of all time. According to the Web of Science, Dr. Fauci ranked 7th out of more than 1.8 million authors in the field of immunology by total citation count between 1980 and January 2020.

    Dr. Fauci has delivered major lectures all over the world and is the recipient of numerous prestigious awards, including the Presidential Medal of Freedom (the highest honor given to a civilian by the President of the United States), the National Medal of Science, the George M. Kober Medal of the Association of American Physicians, the Mary Woodard Lasker Award for Public Service, the Albany Medical Center Prize in Medicine and Biomedical Research, the Robert Koch Gold Medal, the Prince Mahidol Award, and the Canada Gairdner Global Health Award. He also has received 45 honorary doctoral degrees from universities in the United States and abroad.

    Dr. Fauci is a member of the National Academy of Sciences, the National Academy of Medicine, the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, and the American Philosophical Society, as well as other professional societies including the American College of Physicians, the American Society for Clinical Investigation, the Association of American Physicians, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, the American Association of Immunologists, and the American Academy of Allergy, Asthma & Immunology. He serves on the editorial boards of many scientific journals; as an editor of Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine; and as author, coauthor, or editor of more than 1,300 scientific publications, including several textbooks.)

    Forced what issue? HCQ? You are way to optimistic about this.

    #1895189
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    nOmesorah -“Like, how he can solve the racial divide,”

    Actually when he came into office, there wasn’t much fighting among the Races.
    Obama started right away with “Trayvon could be my son.”
    He wanted a Race War!

    I notice a contradiction. If Obama was starting a race war, you cannot say there was not much fighting.

    (The real world exists beyond the headlines that make it to the front page.)

    #1895221
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    nOmesorah -“Do you seriously think that this protocol is a ‘game changer’?”

    What protocol?

    HCQ plus zinc.

    #1895225
    Health
    Participant

    nOmesorah -“I notice a contradiction. If Obama was starting a race war, you cannot say there was not much fighting.”
    You obviously didn’t read my post!
    What does Wanted mean? -“He wanted a Race War!”

    #1895234
    Health
    Participant

    nOmesorah -“he was” Trump? Right about what? The pandemic?”

    That’s right. Just he promoted HCQ plain, without Zinc.
    You need both, within a few days of symptoms starting!

    ““Loser in the NIH” If you say so…
    It just proves what a nobody he really is.”

    I wasn’t talking about his knowledge or awards, but his lackadaisical attitude when it comes to Covid19!
    When a pandemic is here – you don’t have the luxury to wait for proper studies!

    Are you the Kidney doc that posts here?
    What does Nephro know about ID?
    I’ve had fights with so-called ID docs & I’ve been proven right.

    #1895235
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    health, you want anarchy in corporations behavior, vote for Trump.

    #1895237
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    Whether I read it wrong or you wrote it wrong, I obviously did read your post.

    Either way, your point is still caught in the same bind.

    #1895290
    Health
    Participant

    RE -“health, you want anarchy in corporations behavior, vote for Trump.”

    If You don’t WANT Made in America, But Just Made in CHINA – Vote Biden!!!!

    #1895291
    Health
    Participant

    nOmesorah -“Either way, your point is still caught in the same bind.”

    Now what Bind is that?!?
    Do you really think this Fauci guy is G-d?
    I can’t criticize him?!?
    After all – the US has the Most Deaths Worldwide.

    #1895516
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    health, isn’t what you are saying a lie? Biden was advocating at the convention specially ‘MADE IN AMERICA’.

    #1895597
    Health
    Participant

    RE -“health, isn’t what you are saying a lie?”

    I’m Not the Liar here.

    “Biden was advocating at the convention specially ‘MADE IN AMERICA’.”

    These Lying DemonCrats – for 47 years – What has Biden done for the US?
    How could anything be MADE IN AMERICA?
    This country under the Democrats have Demolished Manufacturing in the US.
    It’s Only Trump that has Restored some of it!
    No one wants to Produce anything in the US, due to High Taxes.

    #1896071
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    I have no problem with your support for HCQ + zinc. How much of an impact can one treatment have on this pandemic?

    If I understood Dr. Fauci correctly, he does not have a problem with unproven treatments. His point is, that unless a treatment has shown promise of being exceptionally effective, it is a waste of time and resources to keep researching it, as opposed to looking for more alternatives.

    #1896122
    PROUD REPUBLICAN
    Participant

    @n0mesorah Dr. Fauci is there for one and only purpose is to make a vaccine and make money. That’s all he wants he would kill people if not and that’s what he’s doing. The same for plasma he said it doesn’t work I know people personally that took plasma and got better in 2 hours. So all these things work and they are the right treatment but he won’t admit because he wants his vaccine out and making money. You willing to take his vaccine? I’m not!!!

    #1896190
    Health
    Participant

    nOmesorah -“How much of an impact can one treatment have on this pandemic?”

    IDK. Acc. to Zelenco, it could be in the high 90%.
    But even if it’s 10% improvement – this could have saved thousands of lives!

    “If I understood Dr. Fauci correctly, he does not have a problem with unproven treatments. His point is, that unless a treatment has shown promise of being exceptionally effective, it is a waste of time and resources to keep researching it, as opposed to looking for more alternatives.”

    He doesn’t tell the Truth.
    First of all, Zinc + HCQ isn’t very costly.
    2nd of all, I posted this above -“the Gov. does Primary Care, like in the Armed Forces, so why DON’T they do a Radomized Study? That means half are treated & half Not with Zinc & HCQ?
    You have to do it within 4 days of onset of symptoms – so sometimes you’ll treat pts. before you know the Lab results. If you treat the pt. & you get a negative result – stop the treatment & don’t include that pt. in the Study”.
    If they did this in the beginning of the Pandemic & it worked, Thousands upon thousands would be Alive Today!

    #1896202
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    HCQ must be given in the beginning and then it is questionable whether the risk of ill effect should be taken.

    #1896250
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Proud,

    IThere are two hundred vaccines in the pipeline. Which one is ‘his’?

    #1896285
    PROUD REPUBLICAN
    Participant

    All. He will test all of them on you.

    #1896257
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    Thanks for your reply! I have been interested in your take on this treatment for months.

    To be very clear, I have no opinion on how effective it may be.

    I got from you two points.

    It can save lives, but is not known how many.
    And, it has to be taken within a few days.

    My analysis is, that is enough of a perspective to make it a closed topic. (In the real medical world.) Being that it has not shown the promise of being a ‘miracle drug’, there should not be a special emphasis on trying to see just how much this treatment can do. Let it prove it’s worth as it get’s used more. Special emphasis should be reserved for treatments that have promise, but have not yet been researched. (There are only so many patients at a given time in a given place to study. Why give them one treatment that does not hold much promise for them?)

    Even if it would turn out better than any drug available, (I think that would be a forty percent success rate. maybe higher.) it is still not enough to soften the overall impact of the pandemic. Except for the most optimistic guesses at herd immunity. Additionally, a treatment that is intended within four days will not help much as most patients are not being tracked from the very beginning. Furthermore, all treatments do not help toward slowing the spread. Which is the crucial factor in reopening the economy.

    As it stands now, if a doctor feels comfortable prescribing this treatment, he can do so. Dr. Fauci is not saying that it should not be prescribed. It would require the presiding physician’s intuition as to whether it should be given, and how it should be given. There is no way to regulate intuition. And for sure there is no reason to give it randomly (Such as after four days.) instead of medications that have fared well in more controlled studies.

    In conclusion, perhaps you could have saved thousands with HCQ + zinc. But most doctors do not seem to be as confident. And, you seem to be indicating that one has to know how to administer it. [Within four days. With zinc. Any specifics on the dosing?] There is no reason to believe that this would change the overall crisis.

    #1896342
    Health
    Participant

    nOmesorah -“Being that it has not shown the promise of being a ‘miracle drug’, there should not be a special emphasis on trying to see just how much this treatment can do.”

    You sure do Not know much about the practice of Medicine! When do we wait for Miracle Drugs?
    Is there a cure for cancer?

    “it is still not enough to soften the overall impact of the pandemic.”

    I don’t care about softening the impact, but about saving Lives!

    “Additionally, a treatment that is intended within four days will not help much as most patients are not being tracked from the very beginning.”

    You start tracking them when they come for Medical Care. This is around four days from the onset of symptoms.

    “As it stands now, if a doctor feels comfortable prescribing this treatment, he can do so. Dr. Fauci is not saying that it should not be prescribed. It would require the presiding physician’s intuition as to whether it should be given, and how it should be given. There is no way to regulate intuition. And for sure there is no reason to give it randomly (Such as after four days.)”

    Unfortunately, some of the States have Not allowed prescriptions for Covid19.
    So the Gov. should allow it for Emergency Use – So insurances will Cover it.

    “instead of medications that have fared well in more controlled studies”

    Please name me Meds that have Fared Well at the beginning of this Pandemic?
    Zinc and HCQ has been advocated at the Beginning.

    #1896390
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    My point was that since we are not expecting a miracle drug, we could do more trials on more drugs. There is enough to go on for those who want to use HCQ + zinc. Since it is not the solution for everything, we may as well look into other drugs too. We are not expecting to find out more with further research on HCQ + zinc.

    #1896402
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Proud,

    These vaccines are owned by private companies or foreign governments. Dr. Fauci works for the American Government.

    Dr. Fauci works for the NIH. The FDA has the final say on approving vaccines.

    #1896470
    Health
    Participant

    nOmesorah -“There is enough to go on for those who want to use HCQ + zinc.”
    Not according to some States.
    So we need at least that requirement to have insurance coverage in all States and territories.
    So to not be able to get Zinc & HCQ – is something that’s beyond me! They obviously don’t care about Lives. Even if it’s only one. But the Truth is – it could’ve Saved many Lives!

    #1896511
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    A lot of things could have saved lives. Maybe next time the country will do better. What you are referring to is a bureaucratic issue. And has nothing do to with Dr. Fauci et al. (I think it is handled by the FDA.)

    #1896533
    n0mesorah
    Participant

    Dear Health,

    I think your position on race relations is caught in a bind. You said that there was no fighting when Trump entered office. Whereas Obama wanted to start a race war. Good and bad intentions aside, that implicates that Obama managed to quell racial tensions as there was no fighting when Trump entered office. To walk that one back, would leave you stuck with the point that Trump is not calming the masses today.

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