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I just don’t get it, ppl sign school agreements and say that they don’t have TV/ internet, so how come I see so many frum ppl at blockbuster, and getting netflix?!?!?! or ppl who talk about the shows they watched online? What’s the diefference if your watching your show on fox.com or if u actually have a flat screen on the wall with a cable box to watch it? just food for thought….
Nothing but hypocrisy.
Good Q!
This way you can filter what it is you are bringing in.
*Waiting to be yelled at*
I’m not endorsing this, but crdle (cradle? curdle? craindle?), do you know what they’re getting?
And avoiding commercials and trailers for other shows these days is no kleinikeit.
THERE IS NO DIFF, THEY ARE FOOLING THEMSELVES..
Please princess, drop the all-caps
tzippi, watching TV shows on fox.com or wherever instead of fox does not eliminate commercials.
Tzippi, there are no contemporary kosher general movies.
SJS
There is a way to do it (altho if you are already watching the show, I dont think the commercials are really bothering you)
Helpful
Thats a blanket statement.
Tzippi, there are no contemporary kosher general movies.
I saw “The Bear” a while back. To my knowledge, there was not one un-kosher thing in it (aside from the bear himself, of course 🙂 ). The entire human cast was male and the only identifiable female character at all was the bear’s mother.
The Wolf
Wolf: How many fingers do you need to count all the movies without female characters (or even kosher attired female characters) in movies that came out in the past 30 years?
How Sac? Without stealing the content which is a whole nother ballgame.
No.
On ABC.com you dont have to go through the commercials you can just click on the next set.
ppl sign school agreements and say that they don’t have TV/ internet so how come I see so many frum ppl at blockbuster, and getting netflix?!?!?!
Why is this hypocrisy?
They don’t believe it is a problem. To obey the letter of what they signed, they don’t have a TV.
(Note: The schools/yeshivos where I am don’t make you sign anything (that I am aware of)).
Helpful, in the last 30 years? I can think of plenty. There have always been movies that crossed the line, but the line was much clearer in the 80s- i.e. gratuity was carefully avoided in certain genres. I can remember the director of one particular movie talking about how he glued the clothes onto his actors and actresses for a scene that involved rolling across the ground to ensure that the clothing did not ride up on film.
Wolf: How many fingers do you need to count all the movies without female characters (or even kosher attired female characters) in movies that came out in the past 30 years?
Doesn’t matter. You said there were no such movies. I contend that there is at least one (which I have shown) and probably more.
The Wolf
why do frum people go to movie theaters
They are not fooling themselves, they are fooling the schools. You can also be selective with the TV and the internet. You can also put parental locks on the tv and locks on the cable boxes. You can also put locks on your bedroom doors, etc. You can also rent a dvd player ONLY when you rent a Jewish video or dvd.
Schools should also MIND their own business and put some faith and trust in the parents. They should have more communication with the parents and less rules. There should be more conferences and workshops with parents and with parents together with kids and less rules and chumras. Work on midos tovos for all involved and stop telling parents what they can and can’t do. Work together as a team to produce the happiest and most productive and successful yiddishe neshomos. Stop forcing parents and kids to lie. Stop raising the bar so that everyone just walks under it instead of aspiring to reach it.
to produce successful yiddishe neshomos you have to get rid of the TV !!!!!!
Oh, and to answer the OP, renting a TV probably costs a lot more and is much more difficult to carry.
to produce successful yiddishe neshomos you have to get rid of the TV !!!!!!
To play devil’s advocate, prove it.
if you open a flowing sewage line into your living room, the King will not enter to dwell there. even if you choose only the best sewage.
prove this!
“ppl sign school agreements and say that they don’t have TV/ internet”
The mesivta and yeshiva ketana my boys attend and the girls school my daughter attends do not make anyone sign anything.
the schools send home a letter stating the school policy and the possible reprecussions if owning a tv or watching videos becomes detrimental to the chinuch of any child.
crdle – What the diffrence what type of guys they were? Whats the diffrence of they were yishivish or not?
Mod, that assumes there is not one single clean thing relating to TV or movies. Which is fine if you want to take that route, but then owning a computer that allows you to watch TV shows or movies, is a defacto “TV” or “dvd player.”
if you open a flowing sewage line into your living room, the King will not enter to dwell there. even if you choose only the best sewage.
You know I don’t like arguing with Mods.
Anyone else? (If you quote the same line, I will respond why the Mashel is invalid.)
I don’t own a TV, this is just Devil’s advocate.
Well, if we can find one kosher item on TV, then it no longer is a sewage line. More like a water line that needs filtering.
Mod, that assumes there is not one single clean thing relating to TV or movies.
yes but not “clean” as you define it
when it comes to the Holy Jewish Neshama any values, and ways of thought that are not Torah pollutes
if you pour some pure water into a sewage line, it is still a sewage line
and ways of thought that are not Torah pollutes
I’m not disagreeing with you, but that is a prior assumption.
(Just pointing it out:-)
What if they are broadcasting shiurim on TV? On a totally kosher channel with shiurim all day long.
Granted, I realize you disagree with the premise of TV in general which is totally fine with me. But there are currently programs on TV that are perfectly fine. I just think its hypocritical when people say “Oh I don’t have a TV I’m so holy.” and judge me for showing my son Mickey Mouse, but they play their kids Elmo DVDs. Sorry, that aint holier.
if there is a box in your house all you have to do is push a button and you could see EVERYTHING hashem doesnt want to see wats in that box but your kids do
Mod80, with a proper filter on your sewage or water line, water goes from “rancid” to “pure” or at least “acceptable.” Hence why people filter their internet.
There is enough clean, quality programming that I watch that for me its not a sewage line. For you, I understand why you think so.
Some people believe that pouring sewage into a water line makes it a defacto sewage line. I think that is the crux of the debate here.
you dont mind a regular flood inyour house with just “water”
If that is the crux of the debate then none of these people would have internet either. Because a computer connected to the internet has everything that a TV has, plus more. There is the same sewage in your cable connection whether the device on your end is a TV or a PC.
clean, quality programming
i see sj you kindly wish to find a point of compromised agreement with me. thank you.
our real point of disagreement is your phrase above.
i dont find tv programming, as “clean” as you wish, to be harmless, as it places you into an environment of goyish values, thought, attitudes, and feelings. they WILL be absorbed, no matter how careful and selective you are. this is what i consider sewage to a Jewish Neshama.
im not talking about the lewd immoral content that is so ubiquitous and pervasive all over the programming including commercials and the news.
and some people can deal with a little sewage seepage rather easily.
Mod-80, please explain to me how Mickey Mouse helping my son learn colors and shapes is not clean, quality programming. Please tell me what immoral goyish values, thoughts, attitudes and feelings come through from a mouse saying “What shape is that?”
Tuchscreen, we all have water pipes in our house. We have valves and faucets to control it.
i dont find tv programming, as “clean” as you wish, to be harmless, as it places you into an environment of goyish values, thought, attitudes, and feelings. they WILL be absorbed, no matter how careful and selective you are. this is what i consider sewage to a Jewish Neshama.
This is also not a disagreement but….
This is the very crux of the “Charaidei” movement.
“I can’t have any contact with outside society because it may invite sewage that can ruin my holy neshama.”
Just replace the word “TV” with “non toiradik”.
That is your intent anyway, no?
“i dont find tv programming, as “clean” as you wish, to be harmless, as it places you into an environment of goyish values, thought, attitudes, and feelings. they WILL be absorbed, no matter how careful and selective you are. this is what i consider sewage to a Jewish Neshama.”
Kind of funny coming from someone who works (paid or unpaid) for a website.
immoral goyish values, thoughts, attitudes and feelings
i did not have the word immoral in that phrase, that was the crux of my entire point
and yes i dont see anything wrong with a mouse asking “what shape is that?”
Talking mice? Must be something hashkafically wrong with that 🙂
On that note. Time to get ready for shabbos.
Ah ok, an addition of mine. But if you don’t have a problem with a mouse saying “What shape is this?” then do you not object to Mickey Mouse?
youre correct pusheta i am exposing myself to a lot of goyish values by moderating this website.
yes gavra that was sort of my intent
Actually, the crux of the argument was wether a computer with internet access where you watch TV or DVDs is any better than a regular TV.
yes gavra that was sort of my intent
OK, thanks.
“Mod, that assumes there is not one single clean thing relating to TV or movies. Which is fine if you want to take that route, but then owning a computer that allows you to watch TV shows or movies, is a defacto “TV” or “dvd player.””
The internet is often filtered and controlled, whereas TV is usually not.
You can’t argue from both sides of the fence. If having an internet enabled computer is OK because of the clean and harmless content, then once you admit a TV has some clean and harmless content you’re stuck. You can’t be selective if you use that logic.
If you stick with what you said originally, that TV has NO clean content, you are consistent. But then others can say that they find clean and harmless content and you can argue no further.
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