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  • #592822

    crdle
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    I just don’t get it, ppl sign school agreements and say that they don’t have TV/ internet, so how come I see so many frum ppl at blockbuster, and getting netflix?!?!?! or ppl who talk about the shows they watched online? What’s the diefference if your watching your show on fox.com or if u actually have a flat screen on the wall with a cable box to watch it? just food for thought….

    #704926

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Nothing but hypocrisy.

    #704927

    Sacrilege
    Member

    Good Q!

    This way you can filter what it is you are bringing in.

    *Waiting to be yelled at*

    #704928

    tzippi
    Member

    I’m not endorsing this, but crdle (cradle? curdle? craindle?), do you know what they’re getting?

    And avoiding commercials and trailers for other shows these days is no kleinikeit.

    #704929

    crdle
    Member

    lol Sacrilege, i think we should be friends, u sound like a funny girl! sorry lady! lol. I’m telling u, i was parked outside the BB, and I saw from the other movie store next to it, 2 really yeshivish guys come out with movies in their hands, I was blown away! it’s weird

    #704930

    THERE IS NO DIFF, THEY ARE FOOLING THEMSELVES..

    Please princess, drop the all-caps

    #704931

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    tzippi, watching TV shows on fox.com or wherever instead of fox does not eliminate commercials.

    #704932

    Helpful
    Member

    Tzippi, there are no contemporary kosher general movies.

    #704933

    Sacrilege
    Member

    SJS

    There is a way to do it (altho if you are already watching the show, I dont think the commercials are really bothering you)

    Helpful

    Thats a blanket statement.

    #704934

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Tzippi, there are no contemporary kosher general movies.

    I saw “The Bear” a while back. To my knowledge, there was not one un-kosher thing in it (aside from the bear himself, of course 🙂 ). The entire human cast was male and the only identifiable female character at all was the bear’s mother.

    The Wolf

    #704935

    Helpful
    Member

    Wolf: How many fingers do you need to count all the movies without female characters (or even kosher attired female characters) in movies that came out in the past 30 years?

    #704936

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    How Sac? Without stealing the content which is a whole nother ballgame.

    #704937

    Sacrilege
    Member

    No.

    On ABC.com you dont have to go through the commercials you can just click on the next set.

    #704938

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    ppl sign school agreements and say that they don’t have TV/ internet so how come I see so many frum ppl at blockbuster, and getting netflix?!?!?!

    Why is this hypocrisy?

    They don’t believe it is a problem. To obey the letter of what they signed, they don’t have a TV.

    (Note: The schools/yeshivos where I am don’t make you sign anything (that I am aware of)).

    #704939

    squeak
    Participant

    Helpful, in the last 30 years? I can think of plenty. There have always been movies that crossed the line, but the line was much clearer in the 80s- i.e. gratuity was carefully avoided in certain genres. I can remember the director of one particular movie talking about how he glued the clothes onto his actors and actresses for a scene that involved rolling across the ground to ensure that the clothing did not ride up on film.

    #704940

    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Wolf: How many fingers do you need to count all the movies without female characters (or even kosher attired female characters) in movies that came out in the past 30 years?

    Doesn’t matter. You said there were no such movies. I contend that there is at least one (which I have shown) and probably more.

    The Wolf

    #704941

    tuchscreen
    Member

    why do frum people go to movie theaters

    #704942

    aries2756
    Participant

    They are not fooling themselves, they are fooling the schools. You can also be selective with the TV and the internet. You can also put parental locks on the tv and locks on the cable boxes. You can also put locks on your bedroom doors, etc. You can also rent a dvd player ONLY when you rent a Jewish video or dvd.

    Schools should also MIND their own business and put some faith and trust in the parents. They should have more communication with the parents and less rules. There should be more conferences and workshops with parents and with parents together with kids and less rules and chumras. Work on midos tovos for all involved and stop telling parents what they can and can’t do. Work together as a team to produce the happiest and most productive and successful yiddishe neshomos. Stop forcing parents and kids to lie. Stop raising the bar so that everyone just walks under it instead of aspiring to reach it.

    #704943

    tuchscreen
    Member

    to produce successful yiddishe neshomos you have to get rid of the TV !!!!!!

    #704944

    squeak
    Participant

    Oh, and to answer the OP, renting a TV probably costs a lot more and is much more difficult to carry.

    #704945

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    to produce successful yiddishe neshomos you have to get rid of the TV !!!!!!

    To play devil’s advocate, prove it.

    #704946

    if you open a flowing sewage line into your living room, the King will not enter to dwell there. even if you choose only the best sewage.

    prove this!

    #704947

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “ppl sign school agreements and say that they don’t have TV/ internet”

    The mesivta and yeshiva ketana my boys attend and the girls school my daughter attends do not make anyone sign anything.

    the schools send home a letter stating the school policy and the possible reprecussions if owning a tv or watching videos becomes detrimental to the chinuch of any child.

    #704948

    real-brisker
    Member

    crdle – What the diffrence what type of guys they were? Whats the diffrence of they were yishivish or not?

    #704949

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Mod, that assumes there is not one single clean thing relating to TV or movies. Which is fine if you want to take that route, but then owning a computer that allows you to watch TV shows or movies, is a defacto “TV” or “dvd player.”

    #704950

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    if you open a flowing sewage line into your living room, the King will not enter to dwell there. even if you choose only the best sewage.

    You know I don’t like arguing with Mods.

    Anyone else? (If you quote the same line, I will respond why the Mashel is invalid.)

    I don’t own a TV, this is just Devil’s advocate.

    #704951

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Well, if we can find one kosher item on TV, then it no longer is a sewage line. More like a water line that needs filtering.

    #704952

    Mod, that assumes there is not one single clean thing relating to TV or movies.

    yes but not “clean” as you define it

    when it comes to the Holy Jewish Neshama any values, and ways of thought that are not Torah pollutes

    #704953

    if you pour some pure water into a sewage line, it is still a sewage line

    #704954

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    and ways of thought that are not Torah pollutes

    I’m not disagreeing with you, but that is a prior assumption.

    (Just pointing it out:-)

    #704955

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    What if they are broadcasting shiurim on TV? On a totally kosher channel with shiurim all day long.

    Granted, I realize you disagree with the premise of TV in general which is totally fine with me. But there are currently programs on TV that are perfectly fine. I just think its hypocritical when people say “Oh I don’t have a TV I’m so holy.” and judge me for showing my son Mickey Mouse, but they play their kids Elmo DVDs. Sorry, that aint holier.

    #704956

    tuchscreen
    Member

    if there is a box in your house all you have to do is push a button and you could see EVERYTHING hashem doesnt want to see wats in that box but your kids do

    #704957

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Mod80, with a proper filter on your sewage or water line, water goes from “rancid” to “pure” or at least “acceptable.” Hence why people filter their internet.

    There is enough clean, quality programming that I watch that for me its not a sewage line. For you, I understand why you think so.

    #704958

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Some people believe that pouring sewage into a water line makes it a defacto sewage line. I think that is the crux of the debate here.

    #704959

    tuchscreen
    Member

    you dont mind a regular flood inyour house with just “water”

    #704960

    squeak
    Participant

    If that is the crux of the debate then none of these people would have internet either. Because a computer connected to the internet has everything that a TV has, plus more. There is the same sewage in your cable connection whether the device on your end is a TV or a PC.

    #704961

    clean, quality programming

    i see sj you kindly wish to find a point of compromised agreement with me. thank you.

    our real point of disagreement is your phrase above.

    i dont find tv programming, as “clean” as you wish, to be harmless, as it places you into an environment of goyish values, thought, attitudes, and feelings. they WILL be absorbed, no matter how careful and selective you are. this is what i consider sewage to a Jewish Neshama.

    im not talking about the lewd immoral content that is so ubiquitous and pervasive all over the programming including commercials and the news.

    #704962

    apushatayid
    Participant

    and some people can deal with a little sewage seepage rather easily.

    #704963

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Mod-80, please explain to me how Mickey Mouse helping my son learn colors and shapes is not clean, quality programming. Please tell me what immoral goyish values, thoughts, attitudes and feelings come through from a mouse saying “What shape is that?”

    Tuchscreen, we all have water pipes in our house. We have valves and faucets to control it.

    #704964

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    i dont find tv programming, as “clean” as you wish, to be harmless, as it places you into an environment of goyish values, thought, attitudes, and feelings. they WILL be absorbed, no matter how careful and selective you are. this is what i consider sewage to a Jewish Neshama.

    This is also not a disagreement but….

    This is the very crux of the “Charaidei” movement.

    “I can’t have any contact with outside society because it may invite sewage that can ruin my holy neshama.”

    Just replace the word “TV” with “non toiradik”.

    That is your intent anyway, no?

    #704965

    apushatayid
    Participant

    “i dont find tv programming, as “clean” as you wish, to be harmless, as it places you into an environment of goyish values, thought, attitudes, and feelings. they WILL be absorbed, no matter how careful and selective you are. this is what i consider sewage to a Jewish Neshama.”

    Kind of funny coming from someone who works (paid or unpaid) for a website.

    #704966

    immoral goyish values, thoughts, attitudes and feelings

    i did not have the word immoral in that phrase, that was the crux of my entire point

    and yes i dont see anything wrong with a mouse asking “what shape is that?”

    #704967

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Talking mice? Must be something hashkafically wrong with that 🙂

    On that note. Time to get ready for shabbos.

    #704968

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Ah ok, an addition of mine. But if you don’t have a problem with a mouse saying “What shape is this?” then do you not object to Mickey Mouse?

    #704969

    youre correct pusheta i am exposing myself to a lot of goyish values by moderating this website.

    #704970

    yes gavra that was sort of my intent

    #704971

    SJSinNYC
    Member

    Actually, the crux of the argument was wether a computer with internet access where you watch TV or DVDs is any better than a regular TV.

    #704972

    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    yes gavra that was sort of my intent

    OK, thanks.

    #704973

    mw13
    Participant

    “Mod, that assumes there is not one single clean thing relating to TV or movies. Which is fine if you want to take that route, but then owning a computer that allows you to watch TV shows or movies, is a defacto “TV” or “dvd player.””

    The internet is often filtered and controlled, whereas TV is usually not.

    #704974

    squeak
    Participant

    You can’t argue from both sides of the fence. If having an internet enabled computer is OK because of the clean and harmless content, then once you admit a TV has some clean and harmless content you’re stuck. You can’t be selective if you use that logic.

    If you stick with what you said originally, that TV has NO clean content, you are consistent. But then others can say that they find clean and harmless content and you can argue no further.

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