March 20, 2011 1:21 am at 1:21 am #595789
Post here when you are drunk.March 20, 2011 2:32 am at 2:32 am #799998good.jewMember
Popa, are you drunk yet?March 20, 2011 2:34 am at 2:34 am #799999
I’m just gonna have a couple beers tonight. Like a regular night.March 20, 2011 2:58 am at 2:58 am #800000shuliParticipant
wish i were old enough….March 20, 2011 3:27 am at 3:27 am #800001
popas always hungover…
i only drink at classy bars not out of a bottle that who knows who drank from….also i cant drink this purim because i gotta go collecting tomorrow, yay!!!March 20, 2011 3:34 am at 3:34 am #800002
I never heard of girls collecting.
Besides, when guys go collecting they do get drunk.March 20, 2011 3:39 am at 3:39 am #800003
im collecting for hachnasas kallah…March 20, 2011 4:55 am at 4:55 am #800004mewhoParticipant
hiccup!March 20, 2011 4:57 am at 4:57 am #800005☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I hope you collect a chosson…March 20, 2011 5:05 am at 5:05 am #800007ShrekMember
Jews don’t get drunk. they get shrekker. I mean shikker. hic.March 20, 2011 10:21 am at 10:21 am #800008
there’s no mitzva to drink at night, let alone to get drunk. since we jews generally regard getting drunk as repulsive, and there’s no mitzva at night, I dare suggest that it’s not a very good idea to get drunk purim night……March 20, 2011 2:37 pm at 2:37 pm #800009
I dare suggest you wouldn’t get drunk even if it was a mitzva, which means you just don’t care about mitzvos.March 20, 2011 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm #800010Sender AvMember
I heard that you have to be drunk enough to not be able to calculate the gematria of Baruch Mordechai,Arror Haman in your head. I cant do that anyways when I’m not drunk.March 20, 2011 7:48 pm at 7:48 pm #800011mewhoParticipant
i dont drink , where do i post?March 20, 2011 9:13 pm at 9:13 pm #800012always hereParticipant
FINALLY, some wine!! thanks for the Bartenura, oh youngest daughter o’mine! 🙂March 21, 2011 1:16 am at 1:16 am #800013gradaMember
drinking is geshmak so every1 calmdownMarch 21, 2011 2:48 am at 2:48 am #800014
lol…btw best purim ever!! and didnt even have a sip of wine… 😉March 21, 2011 10:22 am at 10:22 am #800015
I didnt log in the entire purim. There’s far too much going on. Its only poss to visit when you have a minute spare!
Cshapiro you didnt have any wine at all? So do you only stick to the hard stuff??? 🙂March 21, 2011 7:01 pm at 7:01 pm #800016BaalHaboozeParticipant
Didn’t know where to post this so I’ll just post here…
(Heard from a drunk yid who laughed so hard at his own jokes he literally fell off his chair backwards – gotta love shikkur yidden!!)
Q. What brocho did Haman say before he died?
A. Al Ho’eitz
Hope you all enjoyed Purim!!!March 21, 2011 8:40 pm at 8:40 pm #800017Sender AvMember
I was sick home all day yesterday(except when I went to hear the megilah)…I could have used a drink.March 21, 2011 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #800018
thats rite shticky….i love mixers :))August 16, 2011 3:31 am at 3:31 am #800019
“I dare suggest you wouldn’t get drunk even if it was a mitzva, which means you just don’t care about mitzvos.”
The reason why I said that “we Jews generally regard getting drunk as repulsive,” is because after the Rambam says that it’s healthy to drink diluted wine during a meal, he mentions that one should be careful not to get drunk, because “anyone who gets drunk is a sinner, is disgraced, and loses his wisdom. And if he gets inebriated in front of the unlearned, he causes a chillul Hashem.” Mishnah Torah, Hilchos Dei’os, 5:3.
“”….you don’t care abut mitzvos.” That statement is based on your baseless assumption that I wouldn’t drink if it were a mitzva. I actually do care about mitzvos. Now that you mentioned it, though, I actually cannot drink, despite the mitzva. This is because I am dangerously allergic to any alcohol, no matter how minute the amount. Therefore, if i would drink even a revi’is, I would be putting my life in significant danger, and last time I checked, drinking “ad d’lo yada” is not “yehareg v’al ya’avor.”
Getting drunk when it’s not a mitzva is a serious issur. (see above Rambam.) The Mishna Berura quotes the Ramo, who says that one can be yotzei the mitzvah by drinking a little more than usual, and then going to sleep. The Mishna Berura says this is “ra’ui la’asos!” the proper way to do it.
The Beis HaLevi was also noheig like that.
You want to be more machmir than the Chofetz Chaim??
Very good. But start with Lashon Hara.August 16, 2011 5:55 am at 5:55 am #800020Bar ShattyaMember
dangerously allergic to alcohol? maybe emotionally. but you got yourself into this mess so basicly at the end of the day you wouldn’t drink even if YOU had a mitzva to.August 16, 2011 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #800021
Bar Shattya dont fall for oy vey’s posts she’s winding you up. Cant you tell… She got so drunk over purim that it took her 4 months to respond to you! ☺ ☺ ☺
Anyways, with initials like the ones you have, dont let anyone accuse you of speaking baloney…August 16, 2011 10:06 pm at 10:06 pm #800022The last RebelMember
Anyone drunk now?August 16, 2011 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm #800023Bar ShattyaMember
Shteeck un ah steek
winding people up is my job. I’ve just been so bored since the dolty thing blew over. can you get upset for me? pleeeease.August 16, 2011 10:45 pm at 10:45 pm #800024HaLeiViParticipant
oy vey, there’s a big difference between falling asleep and going to sleep. With the first you are Yotze Ad Delo Yada, with the latter you aren’t.August 16, 2011 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #800025minyan galMember
Hic. What did you shay? Yawn.August 16, 2011 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #800026
Bar Shattya said: “dangerously allergic to alcohol? maybe emotionally. but you got yourself into this mess so basicly at the end of the day you wouldn’t drink even if YOU had a mitzva to.”
Incorrect. I’m physically allergic to alcohol. I don’t know what “mess” you’re talking about. And I WOULD drink if I had a mitzva to. (Because it’s a mitzva. Jews are supposed to do mitzvos, and I’m Jewish. So I do mitzvos.)
Shticky Guy said: “Bar Shattya dont fall for oy vey’s posts she’s winding you up. Cant you tell… She got so drunk over purim that it took her 4 months to respond to you! ? ? ?”
“She” is not winding him up. “He” is in fact winding him up.August 16, 2011 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #800027
if anyone is interested girls are b’davka not allowed to get drunk
also the gemara says chayav INISH (male) livisumeiAugust 16, 2011 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #800028
HaLeiVi said: “oy vey, there’s a big difference between falling asleep and going to sleep. With the first you are Yotze Ad Delo Yada, with the latter you aren’t.”
The Ramo says “veyoshein.” I don’t know if that means going to sleep or falling asleep, but I do know that the Beis “HaLeiVi” was noheg to actually force himself to go to sleep.August 16, 2011 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #800029August 17, 2011 12:21 am at 12:21 am #800030
I like this thread.
and I still stand by my earlier statement. i don’t think oy vey would get drunk even if it was a mitzva and even if oy vey wasn’t allergic to alchohol.
Besides, we’re all alergic to alchohol. It is a toxin.August 17, 2011 12:33 am at 12:33 am #800031HaLeiViParticipant
Sure he’d force himself — by drinking wine!
Coffee, I don’t disagree with your point, but that Inish thing is a poor excuse.August 17, 2011 1:05 am at 1:05 am #800032
popa said: “and I still stand by my earlier statement. i don’t think oy vey would get drunk even if it was a mitzva and even if oy vey wasn’t allergic to alchohol.”
Please give a decent reason why you think that. I am insulted by your accusation which clearly indicates that you think I don’t care about mitzvos.
“Besides, we’re all alergic to alchohol. It is a toxin.”
I’m dangerously allergic, to the extent that if I have an ounce of light wine – on a full stomach – I could wind up in a hospital bed.August 17, 2011 1:17 am at 1:17 am #800033
Because all the anti-drinkers I know don’t drink even by the seudah, when it definitely is a mitzva.
And they rarely do any of the tricks discussed by the acharonim to avoid it either. (the sleeping thing)August 17, 2011 1:26 am at 1:26 am #800034yitayningwutParticipant
Oy vey is way underage anyway, according to what he wrote on a different thread. If I remember correctly he’s 15.August 17, 2011 1:33 am at 1:33 am #800035
It’s not an excuse HaLeivi, It’s a Zeicher L’DavarAugust 17, 2011 1:40 am at 1:40 am #800036
popa said: “Because all the anti-drinkers I know don’t drink even by the seudah, when it definitely is a mitzva.
And they rarely do any of the tricks discussed by the acharonim to avoid it either. (the sleeping thing)”
I’m not an anti-drinker, I’m an anti-DRUNKer. So was the Rambam, but he cared about mitzvos as well. Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky said, “It’s an aveira to get drunk on Purim.” Rav Mordechai Willig: “The Mishna Berura says, “Vechein ra’ui la’asos!” Don’t get drunk! We’re Mishna Berura yidden!”
Drinking is definitely a mitzva. Getting drunk is not. By the way, I don’t care what “all of the” anti-drinkers do. I am an individual, and if I were able, I would follow the Mishna Berura’s suggestion.August 17, 2011 2:12 am at 2:12 am #800037ItcheSrulikMember
I’m just back from a farbrengen.August 17, 2011 2:20 am at 2:20 am #800038
Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky said, “It’s an aveira to get drunk on Purim.”
do you have a mekor or is it Aid M’Pee AidAugust 17, 2011 9:32 am at 9:32 am #800039
oy vey kids these days: sorry for guessing your gender incorrectly. I was not sure but I figured (a) its more of a feminine name that you have chosen, and (b) I KNEW that while a woman will not mind to be suspected of being a man, no man can remain silent if accused of being a woman. So I twice made reference to you being of the Bina Yeseira gender, and I stood back and waited to see what would happen.
Thank you for proving my point!!August 17, 2011 1:28 pm at 1:28 pm #800040
“You want to be more machmir than the Chofetz Chaim?”
Considering that the Shulchan Aruch is, you wouldn’t be in bad company.August 17, 2011 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #800041
mw13 said: “”You want to be more machmir than the Chofetz Chaim?”
Considering that the Shulchan Aruch is, you wouldn’t be in bad company.”
Do you say “hanosein layo’eif koach?” The Shulchan Aruch says you shouldn’t. If you pick and choose different opinions for different things,(the ones that are most convenient for you), you’ll end up with a big mess of a Judaism. That’s why we follow the contemporary poskim what to do. The Mishna Berura says drink a little and go to sleep. Sefaradi? Rav Ovadiah Yossef says drink a revi’is. Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky says it’s an aveirah to get drunk on Purim. (I heard that from a very reliable close relative of his.) Rav Mordechai Willig says not to get drunk. Rav Shraga Feivel Zimmerman, Rav Moshe Tendler, etc. The list goes on and on.
More and more rabbonim are starting to come out against getting drunk on Purim. In 2008, the Yated Ne’eman printed a statement from the Mo’etzes Gedolei HaTorah of Agudas Yisroel, condemning giving drinks to bochurim, especially drinks other than wine, (for which there is NO MITZVA), and signed by 47 rabbonim.
If your rav says that you should get drunk, then go right ahead. But you can’t pick and choose opinions for yourself.August 17, 2011 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #800042
“Do you say “hanosein layo’eif koach?” The Shulchan Aruch says you shouldn’t.”
Come on, there things the Mishna Berura says that we don’t follow too.
“If you pick and choose different opinions for different things,(the ones that are most convenient for you), you’ll end up with a big mess of a Judaism.”
True. All I was pointing out is that don’t go all “how can you possibly be more machmir than the Chofetz Chaim”, there are plenty of prominent poskim that are indeed machmir in this case.
“More and more rabbonim are starting to come out against getting drunk on Purim. In 2008, the Yated Ne’eman printed a statement from the Mo’etzes Gedolei HaTorah of Agudas Yisroel, condemning giving drinks to bochurim, especially drinks other than wine, (for which there is NO MITZVA), and signed by 47 rabbonim.”
Huh? Coming out against giving drinks to minors is a far cry from saying nobody should get drunk on Purim.
“If your rav says that you should get drunk, then go right ahead.”
Actually, my Rov spends Purim in his dining room completely and thoroughly stoned. He also holds that the mitzva of getting drunk is a din in simchas ha’yom not the seudah, so he holds one should be drunk all day. I kid you not. However, obviously most others do not hold like this.
BTW, I have no problem with people who follow their Rov and do not get drunk on Purim. (Though I have yet to hear of a Possek who does not say to drink at least some wine, so I’m not sure what the people who have a completely dry Purim rely on.) My problem is with people who decide that everybody who does get drunk is doing the biggest aveira in the world and go all hysterical about how bad it is, how there’s no mekur, etc. That’s simply not true. Many prominent Poskim hold it is a chiyuv to get completely stoned, and those who do so have more than enough to rely on.August 17, 2011 5:20 pm at 5:20 pm #800043
especially drinks other than wine, (for which there is NO MITZVA)
That is not at all pashut. It is not the pashtus of the shulchan oruch or the gemara. Even if some acharonim say that, you can’t claim that so definitely.August 17, 2011 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #800044
PBA, I believe Rashi on the Gemora says that the Mitzva is only with wine.August 17, 2011 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #800045
popa said: “especially drinks other than wine, (for which there is NO MITZVA)
That is not at all pashut. It is not the pashtus of the shulchan oruch or the gemara. Even if some acharonim say that, you can’t claim that so definitely.”
Rav Moshe Feinstein zt”l held like that, and also the 47 rabbonim who signed the proclamation in 2008 held like that.
mw13 said: “Huh? Coming out against giving drinks to minors is a far cry from saying nobody should get drunk on Purim.”
That’s true. What I meant was that even if it’s okay to get mamash drunk, (which MANY gedolei haposkim are VERY against), there are still restrictions. Here is part of the text of the Agudah’s statement:
1. The mitzva of “Chayav Adam l’v’sumet b’Purya…” is only with wine as it is stated in Chayei Adam (155:30) and Kitzur Shulchan Aruch (142:6). Free use of whiskey and other alcoholic beverages is entirely inappropriate and contrary to da’as Chachomim.
2. Ba’alei Batim should not serve any alcoholic beverages, including wine, to groups of bochurim visiting their homes.
3. Those who drive under the influence of alcohol not only endanger themselves but all their passengers and other members of the public. Drivers must therefore not consume any alcoholic beverages, including wine, and must take extra care to drive safely, observing all applicable laws and safety procedures.
4. Nobody should enter a car if there is reason to believe that the driver is under the influence of alcohol, and all reasonable steps should be taken to prevent such an individual from driving.August 17, 2011 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #800046
And as a side point, “livsumei” doesn’t mean to smell like cigarette smoke.August 17, 2011 6:37 pm at 6:37 pm #800047
I second PBA,
ayun piskei tshuvah on the topic
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