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  • #1936276
    ubiquitin
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    johnklet

    “and a lot of people will regret voting him out of office, just give it a couple of months…”

    I think the opposite is true. In time (more than months at least years) people will deny ever having voted for him. People will look back at his presidency with embarrassment. That isnt to say there wasn’t some good, but that will be dwarfed by Corona, and more so by his exit. It is hard to downplay what happened yesterday

    People who dont know much american history might know some tidbits like The British burned the whitehouse during the war of 1812. A century from now , people will know a Trump instigated mob stormed the Capitol in the hopes of overturning an election.
    sure a few history buffs will know that Trump did some good like move the embassy I can hear it now “Really the crazy guy who tried to instigate a insurrection? I never would have guessed”

    CY

    “he could have left with dignity instead he had instigate his people to rush the Congress, ”

    This was predictable. And no he couldn’t leave with dignity that isn’t who he is.
    Its a bit confusing that people expected him to change . People don’t change this late in the game. Many of my friends and posters here have been confused how we cant support Trump who has been so good for XYZ. hopefully now you understand

    #1936289
    jackk
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    The following people resigned due to the violence yesterday.
    Mick Mulvaney, Stephanie Grisham, Matthew Pottinger, Sarah Matthews, and Anna Cristina “Rickie” Niceta. Reportedly more are coming.
    Vice President Mike Pence’s chief of staff, Marc Short, on Wednesday accused President Trump of revoking his White House access as tensions between Pence and Trump continued to worsen.

    It is strange that people who wanted Trump for 4 more years , can’t stand to even live with him for another 2 weeks.

    #1936317
    johnklets
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    Huju

    Nothing seriously happened to America by yesterdays demostration, besides that 1 women was killed, but that is not important because she was not black and especialy she was a trump supporter, so her blood is green, the protest in the summer of black lives matter was a real damage to America, here Trump right the way said to stop the violence and follow the law and there no single tzaddik of those bigshut democrats raised there voice to stop the protest which costed many lives plus damage to millions worth of peoples money. Now Twitter and Facebook are becoming the Presidents of the world and decide between good and bad. Wake up before the liberal dictatorship takes over America and the world, only because we are letting ourself from the biased media and because of politicaly correctness.

    #1936323
    Amil Zola
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    What do you say to the Chabdniks who were on the steps of the capitol following the terrorists inside?

    #1936325
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    Please amil, we would much rather hear what *you* have to say to them!

    #1936327
    charliehall
    Participant

    Second President ever to have encouraged insurrection. John Tyler signed Virginia’s Ordinance of Secession, served in the Provisional Confederate Congress, and was elected to the House of Representatives of the Confederate States of America. He died before he could be sworn in to the last position. When he was buried, his coffin was draped in a Confederate flag, not the US flag. Note that there were numerous Confederate flags carried by the coup mob yesterday.

    #1936332
    johnklets
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    Ubic,

    Trump did not try to overturn an election by invading the capitol, thats a welknown lie the media is trying to put in in our brains, it was a demostration where some people got out of control while Trump told them specificaly to follow the law. The resignations of his close people only shows how far we are scared of the media and their kingdom, thats the weakness of the right and because of that the left is slowly taking over the world not by putting something in the vaccines to control peoples minds, but by continuausly and again and again brainwashing our minds. in my eyes Trump did nothing wrong yesterday and it is not worth to be remembered by history at al if not for our dear media. After al thay did not storm the beis hamikdash. The only sad thing is that one woman was killed, but nobody cares about it because she was not black and not liberal.

    #1936334
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    John – before they call for your cancellation let me just tell you how right you are, how sad that it is so bad that you cannot even be heard let alone understood, and that there are many many out there willing to know this truth. Just not here. And don’t let them beat you into silence (the new way of spreading truth)

    Be well

    #1936363
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    Amazing

    what a cult
    There is no evidence that can change your mind. sure We can rpovdie tweets from Trump and pronouncements from him and supporters calling for violence

    But you will deny they say what they say (“wild” doesn’t mean wild it means calm protest right?) Trial by combat means demonstration

    If that fails claim they are fake tweets planted by the media
    IF that fails just say he /they were in on it .

    Whcih is fine. I dont intend nor think I can chaneg your mind

    Edited

    sostop pretending your mind is made up and thats that .

    #1936452
    Amil Zola
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    Syag, do you have a mouse in your pocket? There’s got to be some reason you’re using the imperial we.

    I think these home grown terrorists should be treated just like antifas, gas, rubber bullets, tazers, sensory weapons. I am happy that many of these folks will be identified because they chose to be interviewed by the media. I do hope that the courts and LE follow our current presidents recommendations “I have authorized the Federal Government to arrest anyone who vandalizes or destroys any monument, statue or other such Federal property in the U.S. with up to 10 years in prison, per the Veteran’s Memorial Preservation Act, or such other laws that may be pertinent…..” DJT tweeted June 2020.

    #1936467
    Reb Eliezer
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    Speaking of a mouse, there is a parable of this uncivil insurrection act attributed to the Rambam.
    A minister praised himself to a king how he can perform a strange act. He can teach a cat how to eat with a knife and fork from a plate. At the day of the test, another minister puts a mouse in his pocket.
    When they place the cat in front of the plate, the minister releases the mouse and the cat forgets all its training and runs after the mouse. When their is an opportunity for these people, all training and civility is tossed out the window and they follow their animal insticts.

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    #1936475
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    Participant

    your boiling my blood up. if you respond to me, read my post. besides for the line about imprecise quotations you apparently comprehended nothing of what I wrote. literally everything you wrote just now I addressed in my previous post but you keep on reiterating the fact that trump has no proof over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again when that has absolutely nothing to do with wether or not trump had an invented deadline for potential evidence.

    refua sheleima.

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    #1936502
    Health
    Participant

    Let me ask you Libs one thing – did any Federal officer use live fire all last year?
    How about in Portland where Animals set Fire to Federal Buildings?
    Did they kill anyone?
    Here they killed a lady for breaking a window in the Capitol.
    This Lady served in the US Air Force for many years.
    Did Cops, either Fed, State or Local kill anyone all last year for Breaking Windows?
    How about all the Looting? Was anyone killed, all last year, for that?!?
    Biden said it right – they have 2 sets of Values, but he got it wrong which side is the Moral Side!

    Btw, Trump might still be President because Hopefully the SCOTUS will decide in his Favor.

    #1936514
    ubiquitin
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    Participant

    “that has absolutely nothing to do with wether or not trump had an invented deadline for potential evidence”

    This was never the topic at hand

    That you thought it was is on you

    “your boiling my blood up. ”

    To quote you “refua sheleima.”

    See I read your posts. Every one of them. you misunderstood the topic don’t understand the US election and are nasty to whit. Read a little about the election, read my posts. And I will always take the time to explain it to you. Yes even “over and over and over…”

    #1936516
    ubiquitin
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    “Btw, Trump might still be President because Hopefully the SCOTUS will decide in his Favor.”

    Love it!
    you do not disappoint.

    Participant you with him? Or do you grant the Fat lady has sung?

    #1936571
    johnklets
    Participant

    What i realy do not understand is how a yid can be happy by the coming in of a President who wanted Pollard to rot in jail until the end of his life and he actualy adviced Obama not to pardon him.

    #1936570
    johnklets
    Participant

    Ubic,

    Send me an adres where Trump asks for a violent protest or for invading the capitol.

    Syag Lchochma ,

    Sorry that i did not know that this Coffee room belongs to the Communist party and i shoould not post my opinions which are in contrast with Mother Russia

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    #1936580
    🍫Syag Lchochma
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    I didn’t say you shouldn’t post your opinons, I said to expect backlash.

    #1936586
    ☕️coffee addict
    Participant

    There is so much שקר in the world that no one knows what is אמת anymore

    #1936584
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    john

    “Send me an adres where Trump asks for a violent protest or for invading the capitol.”

    sure. though I’m not sure what you mean by “adres” The rally was planned for weeks, there were calls for violence on twitter for weeks Including storming the capitol and having a firing squad for Mike Pence
    On 12/19/20 Trump tweeted “…Be there will be wild”

    On January 7 (when the outcome was inevitable) and people were in Washington for the planned for violence, what did he do. did he protest the result but encourage calm like a normal person?
    No of course not, he hates the country far too much for that, instead he further inflamed his supporters and threw his loyal VP on the bus by demanding of him an act he had to have known was illegal and impossible. Naturally this further inflamed the masses

    The crown shouted “”Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!”” – remember the crowd that arrived planning violence. What did Trump do, did he urge peaceful protest.? No of course not He said “Thank you” and He further inflamed tensions with “We will never give up. We will never concede.” “Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore, and that is what this is all about.”

    AFTEr the rioting started Trump still Encouraged them calling them ““These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long,”” before telling them to go home
    These are not the words of someone who condemns violence .

    compare his speech before to his concession speech. THAT was a normal speech. compare the difference in tone.

    Note there was no real practical change that occurred Jan 6-7 in Congress. The result wanted in doubt. The change is Trump relaized his legacy is now in tatters with even the GOP saying he should be removed.

    It isnt the media. The GOP senate understood Trump’s speech for what it was . IF you think all of them, all the rioters, and all of us got it wrong, and only you and a few others understand how poorly misunderstood innocent Trump was. Then I don’t know what to say

    hope this helps

    #1936827
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    Participant

    u briq
    1. then wth is the point of this thread?
    2. whether or not it’s the point of the thread it’s certainly the point of every post I’ve made on this thread. so maybe I’m a hijacker but I’m not wrong.
    3. funny how you woke up now that it’s not the point of this thread. in previous posts you’ve talked about potential deadlines and how they all passed.

    amazing how after such a clear and detailed post (my last on the first page) you’re still too dumb to comprehend.

    I think even your idiocy would understand such a post if not for two other factors: 1. to think everyone else is also dumb and never passed elementary school. to spell it out for your pea brain , I know how the elections work in USA. 2. your firm belief that there was no fraud blinds you from discussing what if there would have been fraud.

    I’m still waiting for you to thank me for taking the time & effort for dumbing it down for you.

    now you’ll answer

    participant
    you should really take a civics lesson. the electoral college has to vote and it has to be ratified by congress. if there was fraud why hasn’t trump proven it yet? he had plenty of time to prove it . now all ships have sailed. when would you think is a reasonable deadline to have to 8prove fraud? do you agree with health? there are some who will always say there’s fraud. do u agree with them? December 13 was a reasonable deadline for him to have had to prove fraud. now all ships have sailed. there was no fraud.
    there. simple. I said there was no fraud. I also said if there was fraud he had to have proven it by Dec 14 even tho that’s not the point of this thread. so what don’t you understand?

    there. wrote it for you. thank me for saving you the time.

    #1936857
    ubiquitin
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    “1. then wth is the point of this thread?”
    As explained earlier There was never any chance of overturning the election.
    Most people new that.

    Some people beleived Trump, that he had some evidence he was taking time to put it together and when a judge would see it things would go his way.

    Those people chose to give him some time to make his case.
    Again, he never had a chance of making a case
    Some people gave him until Dec 15 realizing (As you didnt) that ultimatly that was what REALLY counted, and maybe States would direct electors or courts would or there would be faithless lectors – no not the clintons but , and I realize this is news to you, there were 304 eelctors pledged to vote for the Democrat who were not clintons.

    Once Dec 15 passed, and Trump didn’t provide anything substantial those people, correctly , realized that there was less of a chance that he ever would. Some held out hope a bit longer, but with every passing day more and more people realized he had nothing- or perhaps the courts weren’t interested in hearing what he had .

    On Jan 6/7 we came even closer. Now most people relaize he had nothing (or tha the courts werent intrested) Sure there are some who still Don’t quite get it See Health’s comment on Jan /7 “Btw, Trump might still be President because Hopefully the SCOTUS will decide in his Favor.”

    but by now most people know that Trump doesnt have any ace up his sleeve.

    do you relaize that yet?

    Were you able to read up on the Electoral college?

    2. Yes its the point you’ve been making but I explained to you (patiently) that you were mistaken

    see reply # 1930315 on 12/20 “he cant prove fraud There is a spectrum of how long people are willing to hold on to the fantasy that he can. some gave it until the Electoral college (a reaosnable benchmark as outlined above) others are giving it until Jan 6 still others until JAN 20. others even after that.” (before your ” clear and detailed post (my last on the first page)” that was as wrong and irrrelvent as all your other posts on this page)

    3″3. funny how you woke up now that it’s not the point of this thread. in previous posts you’ve talked about potential deadlines and how they all passed.”

    Yep. and another one passed on Jan 6.

    Again some are hoping there will be some miracle before Jan /20 Some will still be hoping for some karaken release in Jan 2135, And Trump’s corpse will be propped up as president. I suspect you fall into that camp.

    “now you’ll answer
    participant
    you should really take a civics lesson.”
    Yes You should!

    ” the electoral college has to vote and it has to be ratified by congress.”

    Yes. Thanks to me you now know that. youre welcome!!

    ” if there was fraud why hasn’t trump proven it yet? he had plenty of time to prove it .”

    Excellent point!

    ” now all ships have sailed. ”
    not all, but another one (though remember there never were any ships)

    “when would you think is a reasonable deadline to have to 8prove fraud?”

    Excellent question

    ” do you agree with health?”
    another good question!

    ” there are some who will always say there’s fraud. do u agree with them?”
    December 13 was a reasonable deadline for him to have had to prove fraud. now all ships have sailed. there was no fraud.”
    Nah It isnt a deadline, not so sure what this is saying

    ” I said there was no fraud.”

    Yes, (though again remember the context: that he would be able to prove)

    ” I also said if there was fraud he had to have proven it by Dec 14 even tho that’s not the point of this thread. ”
    I never said that, so no its not the point of the thread

    “so what don’t you understand?”

    “there. wrote it for you. thank me for saving you the time.”

    Thanks ! was pretty good Second half didnt make sense, but first half wasn’t bad.

    See you’re starting to get it. Don’t feel so bad that you were wrong (though calling the OP “dumb” wasnt nice especialy given how ignorant your comments have been) . A lot of people didn’t know about the electoral college. I’m glad to be able to educate you
    no need to thank me, pushes me to learn more. So THANK YOU for your persistently wrong comments

    #1937196
    Participant
    Participant

    ugh u briq

    your idiocy has reached astronomical heights but more horrifying is the disgusting arrogance I almost vomited from. this time it really is my last time responding to u because ignoring my blood pressure is one thing; my stomach isn’t as easily appeased.

    all hopes of u understanding someone smarter than you have been completely dashed but maybe pointing out a contradiction in your own words will make u realize how desperately u need help. (then again this isn’t the 1st time u seem incapable of realizing9what u yourself wrote.)

    in your prev post to me you say “nah this isn’t a deadline not so sure what this is saying.”
    now reread post 930315.

    #1937234
    Amil Zola
    Participant

    Thanks for the clarification Common. Unfortunately it doesn’t help me understanding frum Jews aligning themselves with neonazis, white nationalists and anti semites.

    #1937238
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    They don’t.

    #1937241
    ubiquitin
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    participant

    “in your prev post to me you say “nah this isn’t a deadline not so sure what this is saying.”
    now reread post 930315.”

    Great question! keep asking. dont forget Lo habayshan lomad.

    There is no deadline Trump can bring evidence whenever he wants (post 1936857)
    Trump never had any evidence it was all a charade*
    with me ?

    Now some supporters were hoping that he had evidence. different supporters had benchmarks that THEY created by which it would be apparent to them that there was no evidence (something most new almost right away).
    Note these benchmarks or “deadlines” are not legal ones . They are benchmarks or deadlines by which he would have supplied evidence* if he had any or as I wrote in post # 930315. “There is a spectrum of how long people are willing to hold on to the fantasy that he can. some gave it until the Electoral college (a reaosnable benchmark as outlined above) others are giving it until Jan 6 still others until JAN 20. others even after that.”

    Perhaps you do well with mesholim.

    You invite your friend for Shabbos Lunch you tell him We start the meal 11:00 but come whenever. now this friend is a bit flaky and he has a tendency not to show up.
    11;00 He doesnt show- you say well he certainly wont be on time lets give him some time
    your wife says He never comes he’s not coming
    11:30 People who davened at his minyan pass by your house
    your son says, forget it hes not coming
    You say no give him time theres no deadline of 11:30
    your wife says He never comes he’s not coming
    2:00 You’re done your meal deciding if you should go to mincha
    your daughter says meal is over, hes not coming
    You say no give him time there’s no deadline of 2:00
    your wife says He never comes he’s not coming
    6:00 Youve made Havdolah
    you say ok I guess he isnt coming
    your wife says yes I told He never comes
    of course some wil lstill say maybe the supreme court will bring him.

    Now. Was there A Deadline” by which he had to come, in one sense No. The meal starts at 11:00 maybe he’s running late. but on the otherhand everybody has there own benchmark by which THEY HAVE given up hope. You son isnt dumb for thinking that he would have come by 11:30 , althoug h you never told him He had to come then same for your daughter at 2:00

    Hope this helps**

    *Note Never had evidence, or the courts weren’t interested in evidence, or never had enough evidence are practically speaking all the same for this thread

    ** No mashal is perfect don’t get to caught up in it ITs supposed to make it easier for you to understand If it isnt helping forget it.

    (also note: There are other reasons that make Dec 15 important too like faithless electors, and that legally I’m not sure it can be overturned even if was in errror, but I’m not sure about this last point, and the first more obvious point is giving you such a hard time it is probably best we steer clear of more advanced stuff) youve been ignoring too like faithless electors (other than the Clintons which is one point youve been write about See you can say smart things! Don;t be so hard on yourself they were unlikely to vote for Trump I grant that)

    “this time it really is my last time”

    all the best!
    and refuah sheleimah to your stomach, but don;t neglect your blood pressure either

    #1940663
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG!

    #1940764
    Health
    Participant

    CS -“THE FAT LADY HAS SUNG!”

    Who cares?
    I don’t care who’s in charge of the US government.
    I think the DemonCrats are More Bark than Bite, but if they actually fuffil their promises on all of US, especially what’s against the Torah, their elation will be short-lived!
    As a matter of fact, Not only will it be short-lived, but we’ll see our generation look like the Dor Hamabul, with almost Total Destruction!

    #1940775
    Reb Eliezer
    Participant

    Not caring about people starving and dying is against the Torah.

    #1940815
    Health
    Participant

    RE -“Not caring about people starving and dying is against the Torah”

    Who doesn’t care about people starving and dying?
    What are you talking about?
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