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FYI for AAQ: Manhattan was, not that long ago, the center of Jewish America.
ujm, yes, but it is a center of many other things also. Maybe Lower East Side was more Jewish, but not the rest of it.
YU does have a Bronx campus for grad schools and Touro in Brooklyn, so maybe the change is gradually happening.
what does it mean that all these colleges are “affiliated”, “under umbrella”!? If you are creating a brand name and then use it for marketing, you should be applying some standard. Otherwise, it is gnevas daas. They should at least state: this is yeshiva/touro-affiliated but not following xyz.
Maybe all these colleges and sub-colleges stand on their own. I am very suspicious of any educational institutions expanding beyond their core mission. If you are a true non-profit, you don’t need to expand.
>>>what does it mean that all these colleges are “affiliated”, “under umbrella”!?If you are creating a brand name and then use it for marketing, you should be applying some standard. Otherwise, it is gnevas daas.
Anyone seriously considering going to YU knows the difference between RIETS, the undergraduate school and the graduate schools. No frum student enrolled in say Cardoza law thinks he is going to Yeshiva. No non-Jew enrolled in say Cardoza law is there because of it’s affiliation with Yeshiva University.
It is not easy to gain recognized accreditation as a college. Were all the schools to break up and apply for separate accreditation some of them would cease to exist. The results would be more YU grads going OTD in completely secular colleges. And Sorah Schnierer and other yeshivish graduate programs who are accredited through places like Wurzweiller closing down too
“The better question is why didn’t YU shut down all their clubs at their graduate schools over the last 25 years, in order legally to shut down the toeiva clubs.“
YU has a bottom line, let’s not be fooled into believing this has anything to do with yiras HaShem.
I never thought I’d say this as a response to AAQ, but UJM has a point.
YU’s roots are in the Eitz Chaim Yeshiva in the Lower East Side. When the neighborhood continued on the dense path it went on, YU/RIETS decided to move their campus to Washington Heights due to its upper class status (in comparison).
YU may not be for the proletariat but that doesn’t mean that there are no Jews who can afford it. And yes, Manhattan was the center of American Jewish life when YU opened up there.chiefshmerel quite a few people today go to queens college and landers for learning because the YU tuition is very high.
>>> quite a few people today go to queens college and landers for learning because the YU tuition is very high.
YU is not so tough on tuition . I know someone who registered in YU but then backed out because of their tuition costs. They basically told that in that case he only has to pay for room and board which was cheaper than Landers where he ended up going .
Landers does have an evening program separate from their learning program but they will not allow you to join their learning program and attend Queens college in the afternoon. I’m sure those who go to Queens college don’t come out better than had they been in YU.
smerel > apply for separate accreditation
a fair point. Any credential requirements indeed increase monopolization (and possibly quality, of course).
> Anyone seriously considering going to YU knows the difference
this is less convincing: as if we are not really fooling you, as you can see through it. But the above argument is probably the explanation.
Still, a food for thought from one of Rebbes. When, during a public meeting, a chosuve head of a choshuve mosad invited him into a joint effort, he (somewhat) politely declined, saying that he is in full control of his own initiatives and can vouch for them and prefer it to stay that way.
when you discuss tuition, you need to consider different groups.
For people who qualify the discounts, they might offer you a competitive price. I don’t know about YU but, from what I read, even small colleges hire consultants who use statistical modeling to predict a chance for every student that he will accept their offer and what the class composition and total revenue is expected.For those who don’t qualify for discounts, the full price at some point stops making any sense. I find it ironic that I can not “afford” to send my kids to schools that were ready to take me for free. Maybe I should go to kollel until all kids graduate.
My comment on the article:
This is a happy ending, but any wise person, איזהו חכם הרואה את הנולד, saw it coming from the outset.
In this case, it didn’t take a great chochom to anticipate the direction things were heading. On the surface, their requests seemed innocent: they simply wanted a group where they could receive chizzuk from rabbanim for their struggles.
But when we look beyond the walls of the yeshiva, we see a familiar pattern. Decades ago, the movement began with similarly modest demands—just the right to do what they wanted privately in the bedroom. Then came the push for legal recognition of marriage. Today, they march in our streets, infiltrate our schools, and demand that society devote an entire month to celebrating their confused “identity.”
Now they approached the yeshiva, saying, “All we want is a little space and some pizza for our chizzuk, nothing more.” But we’ve seen this playbook before. We know how it begins, and where it leads.
Menachem > This is a happy ending, but any wise person, איזהו חכם הרואה את הנולד, saw it coming from the outset.
I am not sure this is “ending”, but the problem comes with accepting federal funds, as we see now with other colleges. Let’s not demand purity and perfection here: YU is a leader at combining reasonably high quality general education in safe Jewish environment with serious learning. The only reason clubs are relevant is that parents/students demand such activities. If they minimize/separate clubs from the school itself, I don’t think a lot of kids will be bothered by this small group. This is like a story about an Israeli woman who first bothered an Ashkenazi Rav in a bus, who had to move away, and next day – a Sephardi Rav who did not respond to the provocation and explained why he did not defend his honor: “Hu Rav, ani Haham”. So the less will be said about this story, the better. Of course, some will use it to discredit a competing derech, but this is their problem, not YU’s.
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