September 18, 2022 2:44 pm at 2:44 pm #2125908ujmParticipant
FYI for AAQ: Manhattan was, not that long ago, the center of Jewish America.September 18, 2022 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #2125938
ujm, yes, but it is a center of many other things also. Maybe Lower East Side was more Jewish, but not the rest of it.
YU does have a Bronx campus for grad schools and Touro in Brooklyn, so maybe the change is gradually happening.September 18, 2022 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #2125964
what does it mean that all these colleges are “affiliated”, “under umbrella”!? If you are creating a brand name and then use it for marketing, you should be applying some standard. Otherwise, it is gnevas daas. They should at least state: this is yeshiva/touro-affiliated but not following xyz.
Maybe all these colleges and sub-colleges stand on their own. I am very suspicious of any educational institutions expanding beyond their core mission. If you are a true non-profit, you don’t need to expand.September 18, 2022 7:18 pm at 7:18 pm #2126021smerelParticipant
>>>what does it mean that all these colleges are “affiliated”, “under umbrella”!?If you are creating a brand name and then use it for marketing, you should be applying some standard. Otherwise, it is gnevas daas.
Anyone seriously considering going to YU knows the difference between RIETS, the undergraduate school and the graduate schools. No frum student enrolled in say Cardoza law thinks he is going to Yeshiva. No non-Jew enrolled in say Cardoza law is there because of it’s affiliation with Yeshiva University.
It is not easy to gain recognized accreditation as a college. Were all the schools to break up and apply for separate accreditation some of them would cease to exist. The results would be more YU grads going OTD in completely secular colleges. And Sorah Schnierer and other yeshivish graduate programs who are accredited through places like Wurzweiller closing down tooSeptember 18, 2022 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #2126023LostsparkParticipant
“The better question is why didn’t YU shut down all their clubs at their graduate schools over the last 25 years, in order legally to shut down the toeiva clubs.“
YU has a bottom line, let’s not be fooled into believing this has anything to do with yiras HaShem.September 18, 2022 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #2126071chiefshmerelParticipant
I never thought I’d say this as a response to AAQ, but UJM has a point.
YU’s roots are in the Eitz Chaim Yeshiva in the Lower East Side. When the neighborhood continued on the dense path it went on, YU/RIETS decided to move their campus to Washington Heights due to its upper class status (in comparison).
YU may not be for the proletariat but that doesn’t mean that there are no Jews who can afford it. And yes, Manhattan was the center of American Jewish life when YU opened up there.September 19, 2022 11:16 am at 11:16 am #21262031Participant
chiefshmerel quite a few people today go to queens college and landers for learning because the YU tuition is very high.September 19, 2022 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm #2126220smerelParticipant
>>> quite a few people today go to queens college and landers for learning because the YU tuition is very high.
YU is not so tough on tuition . I know someone who registered in YU but then backed out because of their tuition costs. They basically told that in that case he only has to pay for room and board which was cheaper than Landers where he ended up going .
Landers does have an evening program separate from their learning program but they will not allow you to join their learning program and attend Queens college in the afternoon. I’m sure those who go to Queens college don’t come out better than had they been in YU.September 19, 2022 11:37 pm at 11:37 pm #2126460
smerel > apply for separate accreditation
a fair point. Any credential requirements indeed increase monopolization (and possibly quality, of course).
> Anyone seriously considering going to YU knows the difference
this is less convincing: as if we are not really fooling you, as you can see through it. But the above argument is probably the explanation.
Still, a food for thought from one of Rebbes. When, during a public meeting, a chosuve head of a choshuve mosad invited him into a joint effort, he (somewhat) politely declined, saying that he is in full control of his own initiatives and can vouch for them and prefer it to stay that way.September 19, 2022 11:43 pm at 11:43 pm #2126464
when you discuss tuition, you need to consider different groups.
For people who qualify the discounts, they might offer you a competitive price. I don’t know about YU but, from what I read, even small colleges hire consultants who use statistical modeling to predict a chance for every student that he will accept their offer and what the class composition and total revenue is expected.
For those who don’t qualify for discounts, the full price at some point stops making any sense. I find it ironic that I can not “afford” to send my kids to schools that were ready to take me for free. Maybe I should go to kollel until all kids graduate.
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