December 16, 2011 4:14 am at 4:14 am #839183amichaiParticipant
can’t the mods just write the fellow and tell him what they think, that his writting might be at a time that it is shabbos?? let the guy explain how he is writting at that time.December 16, 2011 4:36 am at 4:36 am #839184lolkatzMember
Nobody posting here is unaware of shabbos.December 16, 2011 5:44 am at 5:44 am #839185
what are you trying to cause over here????
I was enjoying this site and gained alot here, however If you don’t want me here for whatever reason just say it outright, don’t try to kill me in all sorts of ways.. Which you have inevitably already done! I tried keeping the peace earlier in a different thread however this constant friction is too hard for me to bear… I am not used to this sort of aggression… please take your anger and frustration elsewhere until it subsides..
I really don’t mind being called a troll when I’m not and try my best not to be, being acused of having other screan names when I don’t, being called a ‘cute Aussie’ I’d say was parevly fine, since I am currently located here..but I still really don’t appreciate you breeching my privacy in this way… however when I am being accused of being mechalel shabbos that is too much for me to handle! May this false accusation be a kapparah for all my aveiros and may all my tefilos be answered bekorov in this merrit! Amen!!December 16, 2011 5:55 am at 5:55 am #839187
Jothar- why are you babysitting this CR?
What business do you have following posters and making sure everyone’s doing what’s right?
With a stalker, I can understand you don’t want other to get hurt, but in this case- as sad as it is, why is this up for discussion?
If you feel like you have to give Mussar, do it privately. Get a hold of that specific poster’s email or ask the editor to email him/her.
HALF- who exactly accussed you of being the one? You basically volunteered that it might be you.December 16, 2011 6:21 am at 6:21 am #839189
smartcookie-Very interesting to note that this post was deleted earlier… If you read the thread closely they are accusing someone located in Australia, then they proceed to change my subtitle to validate the point..
I am not a mechalel shabbos and I never have been therefore i don’t really care what they try to concoct! i just don’t understand how some people can behave with such hatered toward someone they don’t even know for no apparent reason!December 16, 2011 6:23 am at 6:23 am #839190
Stam, the difference would be that it usually stays in the server forever, rendering it a Ksiva that is Kayama.
Smart, I wouldn’t jump on the bandwagon accusing people of wild stuff on someone else’s say-so. Especially since we should know by now not to do that.
One more question: Are you talking about two posts by the same screenname or two different screennames that you are sure belong to one person? An accusation of Chilul Shabbos is no light matter. Don’t base it on piecy evidence. You are actually Mechuyav to try to imagine different scenarios to explain the strange phenomenon.
So far I really don’t believe that there is Chilul Shabbos going on here. I just hope it gets straightened out before it gets even more crooked.December 16, 2011 6:24 am at 6:24 am #839191
So after all I was right that jemmapuddleduck is The same troll’er as Half.December 16, 2011 6:38 am at 6:38 am #839192
Sounds like people enjoy jumping! Even though I have NO clue what Jothar’s point was, and I hate when he sets himself up for condemnation, if you READ the OP he does NOT say anything about the persons value as Jew. He asks why a person who is only trolling would pick a frum website if they themselves don’t keep shabbos and could go where ever they want. And Jothar, why do you say things that you know people will mis read and get upset by? Is that an issue of Lifnei Iver? Or do you really not see it til it happens?
And thirdly (if I counted right)who is even thinking that everyone on this site is frum, Jewish or anything else that they claim to be? Not every customer in a kosher pizza shop keeps kosher either.
(end rant)December 16, 2011 11:41 am at 11:41 am #839193
smartcookie~ yes, it’s another case of rabble-rousing, stirring the post … & not in a good way 🙁December 16, 2011 12:19 pm at 12:19 pm #839194
*correction: stirring the potDecember 16, 2011 1:51 pm at 1:51 pm #839195
Always here- I agree.
We come here to post and enjoy. We don’t need anyone to watch our every move.
If a poster bothers others, the mods can have him banned. Otherwise, each person can do however they please, as long as it’s for him/herself.
In Yiddish it goes, “Mish Zich Arois!”.December 16, 2011 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #839196
And no shortage of posters happy to be stirred. and not in a good way.December 16, 2011 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #839197
Real, you and I have been through this. You had a close up view of the accuracy of the publicized accusations. And yet, you are still willing to jump along and hurt others!?December 16, 2011 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #839198
add on to this, the admission that ‘friends’, inclusive of Mods & others, are <sitting around> discussing us CR posters (outside the CR, or IRL?)… it’s disturbing.December 16, 2011 3:42 pm at 3:42 pm #839199
Welcome to cyberspace.December 16, 2011 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #839200
“Stam, the difference would be that it usually stays in the server forever, rendering it a Ksiva that is Kayama.”
nope…doesnt work like that…magnetic fluxes on hard drives somewhere in the middle of nowhere is not ksivaDecember 16, 2011 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #839201
Why is it worse for Jothar to ask a dumb question, then for you guys to put him down? If you don’t like his posts, ignore them. What you’re doing is also upsetting to the atmosphere around here.December 16, 2011 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #839202JotharMember
So it’s disturbing to have friends who are shomer shabbos baalei chessed volunteer mods, but it’s not disturbing to defend a troll who is mechallel shabbos…it would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. This is the yeshivaworld, not a secular jewish or antireligious website.
Syag, you’re asking good. I appreciate your reading my post as I meant it. The skewing of my posts seems to be a deliberate attempt by the trolls to smear me, which I understand. Being exposed as a mechalel shabbos means that the troll is now hoping that posting the same “what a rasha, he’s friends with the mods, and what’s wrong with being a mechalel shabbos troll” using multiple sn’s will make this “afra lepumeh” sheker believable.
Given a choice between shomrei shabbos baalei chessed and mechallelei shabbos trolls, I choose the shomrei shabbos. I choose to loudly protest chillul shabbos, and I refuse to defend those who are mechalel shabbos. I’m not sure why this is an issue here, on a blog known as “yeshiva world”. As in, a blog for those who believe in Halacha. Chillul shabbos is one of the worst halachos to violate.
But I didn’t attack his right to exist. Every Jew has a neshama, even a mechalel shabbos troll. I just want to know why they would want to troll here instead of on the various anti-religious websites, of which many exist. Leave this place for the shomrei shabbos. It is a sad day when the yeshiva world is full of sn’s defending chillul shabbos and attacking the tzidkus of not just the shomrei shabbos baalei chessed mods, but even those who are their friends. “Vesim chelkeinu imahem” means with the tzaddikim, not the resha’im.December 16, 2011 4:44 pm at 4:44 pm #839203
Soliek, you’re right. In reality it is not Kesiva.December 16, 2011 5:06 pm at 5:06 pm #839204
Syag, nobody is putting down the moderators or Jothar.
Also, if you really read through this whole conversation you would notice that they are referring to a Frum-content-posting poster, and perhaps a specific one.
Unlike last time, I cannot suggest that the accusation is unfounded. But I do say to learn from experience and be careful not to jump to conclusions because of proofs. Not every anomaly gets understood right away, but not understanding something shouldn’t cause you to pass judgement and embarrass someone.
And, if indeed there would be injustice or bullying going on here then it would, in fact, be everyone’s duty to dispute it. In the past, you expressed a view to the contrary, but I cannot fathom it. If you want, you can start a new conversation about killing a murderer or making a Ganov pay double or yelling at those who talk during Davenning or any such phenomena.December 16, 2011 5:08 pm at 5:08 pm #839205
Jothar. I am trying to understand what you are trying to tell us by opening this thread. Are you trying to warn us that trolls are lurking on the site? Are you trying to warn us that there is at least one mechalel shabbos who frequents the coffee room and to beware of the hashkafos espoused by this person? Something else?December 16, 2011 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #839206kollel_wifeParticipant
Jothar – it is very commendable that you want to keep things on the straight and honest path. I would imagine though that many of the frum posters here aren’t 100% upfront about their identities. Whether they profess to be male or female, young or old, etc. There may be non Jews or not frum people also “faking it.” I would think – leave well enough alone unless they’re pushing an agenda that’s insulting, criticizing the other posters and Yiddishkeit. Am I right?December 16, 2011 5:47 pm at 5:47 pm #839207
“I choose to loudly protest chillul shabbos, and I refuse to defend those who are mechalel shabbos.”
i am now officially siding with Jothar on thisDecember 16, 2011 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #839208
Change yourself, and you’ve changed the world.December 16, 2011 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #839209
Halevei – ‘nobody is putting down the moderators or Jothar’
you’ve got to be kidding
“And, if indeed there would be injustice or bullying going on here then it would, in fact, be everyone’s duty to dispute it.”
yes, and respectfully so, after being very careful to first get the facts.
“In the past, you expressed a view to the contrary, but I cannot fathom it.”
Never. Maybe I am mis understanding you, but the ONLY thing I ever comment (and re-comment and re-comment)on is that people aren’t being careful to hear what the person actually said before they attack it. And then the posts continue from there, never really checking back to see if the original post ever even stated the offensive comment that is being bashed. I don’t care if bullys or concepts are attcked, I care when posters get attacked, and many (many) times the poster never even said what he is being accused of saying. I obviously am not making myself clear, which explains why my pleas for shalom are usually ignored. I really, very much appreciate your taking the time to try.December 16, 2011 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #839210cantgetitMember
If the poster is in Australia, did you check the EXACT Shabbos zmanim for every part of Australia, and compare them to the EXACT times of the relevant posts, before leveling serious accusations??December 16, 2011 6:38 pm at 6:38 pm #839211
“I would think – leave well enough alone unless they’re pushing an agenda that’s insulting, criticizing the other posters and Yiddishkeit. Am I right?”
nope. see most of the time you cant be moche because you simply dont know…but if you know? wouldnt it stand to reason that you have an obligation to be moche?December 16, 2011 7:32 pm at 7:32 pm #839212mewhoParticipant
i know someone who has a facebook page and saw other shomer shabbos peoples names having a status update during shabbos hours. it said mr pipik and mr smith are now friends and the time was somewher in the afternoon on saturday.
mr pipik is the jewish person and mr smith is not. so i asked someone to explain this to me and was told that mr pipik may have requested to be a facebook friend with mr smith on thursday and mr smith first accepted it saturday afternoon. not that mr pipik
g-d forbid was on facebook during shabbos.
sooooooo you never know how the mechanics work. perhaps there was a lag in the posting as well.
i personally have gotten text messages to my cell phone many hours after sent if there was a problem with the reception or carrier.December 16, 2011 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #839213
So, Jothar and the moderators spoke to a Rav who confirmed there is raglayim ladavar to accuse someone of chillul shabbos?December 16, 2011 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #839214
mewho: yeh except in this case it would men that one of the mods is a mechallel shabbosDecember 17, 2011 11:44 pm at 11:44 pm #839230
Dude, do you really think that if you keep posting the same post a hundred times we will approve it? Well, we won’t. But we will block you. Have a good life!
My wife and I come here for decent discussion not for abuse. And yes we both share a username, let me know if there is anything wrong with that.
No, nothing wrong with a husband and wife sharing a screen name (though I somewhat doubt that is actually the case here). There is something wrong with trolling and chilul Shabbos though.
“So after all I was right that jemmapuddleduck is The same troll’er as Half.’
I only have ONE username
real brisker seems to have come to the same conclusion as us without seeing the similar IPs.
Mr Half:I would have never married my wife if I knew that she was a mechalel shabbos, chas veshalom. what proof that you say you have gives evidence that this is so? I would like to know, thanks.
Maybe keep a closer watch on *her* at 2am Friday nights from now on…December 18, 2011 2:00 am at 2:00 am #839239WolfishMusingsParticipant
Well, I am a mechallel Shabbos (as discussed elsewhere), but I have not been posting on Shabbos. So, it’s not me.
The WolfDecember 18, 2011 4:17 am at 4:17 am #839243
What is the big deal? I don’t get it. The mods do a pretty good job of filtering out un-yeshiva-world-worthy comments, so who cares if one poster happens to not be as observant as the others? Stalking I hear. But this? Come on. We let Mechalelei Shabbos into shul, we can let them into the Coffee Room too.December 18, 2011 4:24 am at 4:24 am #839244cantgetitMember
We don’t let them flip the switch on, in shul, yitay.
Still, I’m not accepting that this is even the case here. There have been too many false accusations that later were admitted to have been a total error here.December 18, 2011 4:29 am at 4:29 am #839245
Cantgetit, no one is letting anyone ‘flip the switch on’ here either. Nothing can go through on Shabbos.December 18, 2011 4:34 am at 4:34 am #839246
MIB – The styles are so identical its hard not to realize.December 18, 2011 4:46 am at 4:46 am #839248
Real said that based on the sub-title, which was put there by a moderator who did see the IP.
And again, the IP does not tell you that it is the same person. In my case, I know that anyone using the same service as me will have the same IP. However, it does pass along an HTTP header “forwarded_for” with my own current IP.
Any scenario comes before Chilull Shabbos. In truth, I don’t even get the Taava to post here on Shabbos when there is nobody to converse with, besides the fact that your post doesn’t go up.December 18, 2011 4:51 am at 4:51 am #839250JotharMember
Australia is 15 hours ahead. If 1 post is on 9AMEST on an EST Friday and 1 post is on 9AM EST on an EST Shabbos, then mima nafshach 1 post is on shabbos.
Throughout the years, before the word “Orthodox”, a frum person was defined as a “shomer shabbos”. A mechalel shabbos is, by definition, not a frum person.
So I was just wondering why a mechalel shabbos troll would hang out here, instead of on sites meant for non-frum people. It’s a simple question, and one undeserving of the bitter vitriol it has unleashed.December 18, 2011 4:56 am at 4:56 am #839252
Just curious. Do posts come time stamped? How do mods know the time someone hit the send button?
Yes, they are time stamped.December 18, 2011 4:58 am at 4:58 am #839254
In truth, I don’t even get the Taava to post here on Shabbos when there is nobody to converse with, besides the fact that your post doesn’t go up.
Lol +1December 18, 2011 5:02 am at 5:02 am #839255
So I was just wondering why a mechalel shabbos troll would hang out here, instead of on sites meant for non-frum people. It’s a simple question, and one undeserving of the bitter vitriol it has unleashed.
Please. “Sites meant for non-frum people”? You don’t see how such a question could possibly be provocative? That is a very troll-ish comment. Anyway, one could ask the same question of shul.December 18, 2011 5:04 am at 5:04 am #839256the other halfMember
I’m not sure what sort of glitches you are going through on your end, however my husband and I have NEVER posted on shabbos! we have 2 usernames now, one that can’t post and one that can.
2.the other half
and that is it! I really don’t know where you are getting these aronious conclusions from, however if i may say I really feel sorry for you that you bring yourself down to this level to come out and accuse someone of a serious aveira, I’d say it’s just as bad as doing it yourself!
And we don’t know why you are spamming this site with indignant posts. We aren’t sure what it’s meant to accomplish.December 18, 2011 5:13 am at 5:13 am #839257
HaLeiVi- I actually posted it a week ago.
Exactly the point. This Troll has been posting for awhile now and every new screenname is so blatantly obvious from the style. Half, jemmapudleduck, ice u scream, QT pie, etc etc etc. I sure hope s/he is actually posting from Australia as the IP indicates, otherwise there were a lot of Shabbos posts.December 18, 2011 6:05 am at 6:05 am #839259
Is the issue here the trolling, chillul shabbos or the combination?December 18, 2011 6:35 am at 6:35 am #839260
What a smart way to be Mekarev a lost Jewish soul who’s posting on Shabbos….December 18, 2011 9:00 am at 9:00 am #839261babygooseParticipant
and why would you care anyhow?
i sure hope you are strong enough not to get influenced by this place! i like hearing opinions and stuff, but i am who i am, and that’s where is begins and ends. let whoever wants post here, if they follow the standards, and don’t cause trouble….
though i doubt that a non jew would find intrest in this site since he has so many bigger “hasagos” so to say. or you know – reconsidering, i think this site would intrest anyone, especially outsiders!December 18, 2011 9:59 am at 9:59 am #839262Shticky GuyParticipant
IMO Jothar is 100% correct to warn/remind us that we should always bear in mind that some posters are coming from a very different viewpoint or standard of yiddishkeit. That’s if that was what he was doing. But he wasnt. Read the OP again. He was just wondering why such a person would WANT to post on Yeshiva World (and for sure why he posted here on shabbos if that is true). A very innocent question. But one that has lead, yet again, to a thread full of bad feelings and accusations. This is not the place it used to be!December 18, 2011 10:05 am at 10:05 am #839263moi aussiMember
What a smart way to be Mekarev a lost Jewish soul who’s posting on Shabbos….
I agree with you. People (Jothar & co) complain of chilul Shabbes, but they don’t know that shaming someone in public is worse than chilul Shabbes. Will they ever learn how to handle things privately?
I suppose the mods won’t print this post, because it doesn’t reflect well on them. I doesn’t change the fact that their ways are halachically incorrect.December 18, 2011 12:51 pm at 12:51 pm #839264
MIB – The poster does post at weird times as well, so the time zone is defineitly different than the US.December 18, 2011 3:17 pm at 3:17 pm #839265ZeesKiteParticipant
Maybe there’s an Eiruv. Nobody thought of that!
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