June 1, 2011 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm #597209
I see on this forum a large number of individuals who apparently dislike the idea of ‘Medinat Israel’, and as such denounce it on the basis of “Many Rabbonim disliked it in the ’20s and ’30s.”
I must say I disagree. Read the book HaTorah Vehamedinah and the book Hatkufa Hagdola by Harav Menachem Mendel Kasher. The aforementioned Rabbonim disagreed with secular Zionism, not with the idea of Zionism as a whole. As secular as the medina is nowadays, it is impossible to say it does not support religious Yidden (funding for Yeshivos, etc.), and that we have no foothold. It can be improved in many ways, as a settler I can tell you such from firsthand experience (discrimination by police, expulsion of Yidden, no access to Har Habayis), but calling it a ‘maase satan’ is a terrible overstatement and a Chillul Hashem. Saying we disturbed the “natives” (We are the natives!) gets us back to the Gemara about the Shlosha Shvuos, which has been explained in a detailed and convincing fashion by those greater than I in Torah and in Mitzvos (I can explain if need-be, people generally quote that Gemara without looking at authorities on this). So please quit the overstatements. If you disagree you disagree, but ‘maase satan’ is too much.
Regards and a Yom Tov to all, DovidJune 1, 2011 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #773942mikehall12382Member
what he said 🙂June 1, 2011 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #773943
Whom?June 1, 2011 7:10 pm at 7:10 pm #773944YW Moderator-80Member
YoumJune 1, 2011 8:29 pm at 8:29 pm #773945chocandpatienceMember
If this takes off, it should be fun to watch.
Shame I’m off to sleep.June 2, 2011 6:37 am at 6:37 am #773946
Me? Who? What? What? When? Why?June 2, 2011 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #773948ToiParticipant
this generation,being so ignorant as a whole, and leting their feelings and passions make hashkafic decisions for them, is not qualified to decide large hashkafic issues. Those who do have a right are the great rabbis who have recieved guidance from their rabbeim on matters of hashkafa and how to think. taanos like”they do so much for us” etc. don’t address the actual issue of its existence.June 2, 2011 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm #773949msseekerMember
Dear Religious Zionists:
We are all sick and tired of arguing with you, as you can see in the last few threads about Zionism. If you are seriously looking for answers, kindly search TrueTorahJews.com.
Your Anti-Zionist and Non-Zionist fellow CRersJune 2, 2011 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #773953mikehall12382Member
Dear Your Anti-Zionist and Non-Zionist fellow CRers,
Some of us religious Zionist are too tired of arguing with you anti Zionist. I f you are seriously looking for answers I urge you to check out the following
Sincerely,June 2, 2011 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #773954YW Moderator-80Member
okay there you go equal time for each side
until the next thread on this subject
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