November 18, 2010 2:02 am at 2:02 am #593094TheChevraMember
Considering that the ??????????? were left undisturbed by outside (non-Jewish) influences for thousands of years (to a much greater degree than perhaps any other sector of Jews) being in a backward corner of the world were technology and communication did not much impact, their minhagim are probably closest to how Yidden practiced Judaism since Har Sinai. For example, they still have sounds in their Loshon Kodesh vocabulary that has been lost by the rest of Judaism over the ages, including to Ashkenazim and Sefardim.
That being the case, should we all not emulate many of their upstanding and original practices? I submit that wearing peyos as they do (and the Chasidim have emulated) is how Moshe Rabbeinu had. And what a zchus it would be for us all to emulate.November 18, 2010 3:58 am at 3:58 am #877664WIYMember
Laughs and moves on.November 18, 2010 4:20 am at 4:20 am #877665
The OP makes some valid and interesting points worth pondering.November 18, 2010 5:02 am at 5:02 am #877666WIYMember
In all seriousness I believe its an old tradition that dates back to the time of the Bais Hamikdosh however I believe it was davka a Yementite thing to look different from the Muslims and there were Jews in specific areas that did it. You would some real sources that such payos dated back to the time of Moshe.November 18, 2010 5:06 am at 5:06 am #877667AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
An interesting fact some may not know…
Taymanim refer to their payot as their “simanim”.
Why “simanim” (signs)?
Because in Tayman (Yemen), a moslem country, ALL the men have beards, and ALL the men wear a head covering. So what in their appearance differentiates them from the yishmaelim? – their Peyot are the siman!November 18, 2010 5:16 am at 5:16 am #877668popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Hmmm. I wonder how this minhag was never mentioned in the mishna or the gemara?November 18, 2010 5:29 am at 5:29 am #877669myfriendMember
The Mishna mentions every custom of the time?November 18, 2010 5:34 am at 5:34 am #877670
That being the case, should we all not emulate many of their upstanding and original practices? I submit that wearing peyos as they do (and the Chasidim have emulated) is how Moshe Rabbeinu had. And what a zchus it would be for us all to emulate.
Whay do you assume that there ever was only one set of “original practices”? Just because the Parsha coloring sheets depict Moshe with long peyos doesn’t mean that’s what he had.November 18, 2010 5:51 am at 5:51 am #877671
The Yemenites are a better indication of ancient Jewish practices.November 18, 2010 6:15 am at 6:15 am #877672
Let us also never forget that the zionist reshoyim maliciously cut off the peyos of these innocent Teimanim as soon as they arrived in Eretz Yisroel. And then they kidnapped their babies to take them away from the Yiddishkeit the Teimanim faithfully practiced for thousands of years, and lied to their mothers that the babies had died.November 18, 2010 9:20 am at 9:20 am #877673
There were Jews in Yemen before there were any Muslims there.November 18, 2010 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #877674AinOhdMilvadoParticipant
I think you are correct that “There were Jews in Yemen before there were any Muslims there” BUT the term “simanim” that they use for their peyot IS because of the reason mentioned above.
Do you feel better now that you got in your daily dig at the terrible Zionists? Of course I agree that what you referred to WAS a very terrible thing, so should I now mention a thousand wonderful things done by Zionists? The point is that what you wrote about is NOT what this thread is about.
How about if all the vicious anti-Zionists try to, at least, keep their comments for articles and CR threads that have to do with Israel.November 18, 2010 2:20 pm at 2:20 pm #877675
AOM: It has to do with the Yemenite Jews, which is what this thread is discussing.November 18, 2010 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #877676RSRHMember
Bezalel: Yes, but we don’t know what kind of peyos they had, now do we?
OP: I think your original premise (Teymani Jews were undisturbed by outside influences) is highly questionable, if not plainly incorrect. First, the whole of the Arabian Peninsula has been populated since ancient times, both by nomadic tribes and smaller settled communities and city-states. Second, Yemen, of all places, was probably more susceptible to external influences than many other places in the Peninsula; it sits at the juncture of some of the most important sea-trade routes in history. The trade between China, India, Indonesia, East Africa, Egypt, and the entire Mediterranean Basin passed along the Yemenite Arabian Sea and Red Sea coasts.
Even if you are correct that Teymani Jews practice Judaism as closely as possible to the original B’nei Yisrael, I’m not sure why this should matter. Teymani Jews live in a culture most akin to that in which the original B’nei Yisrael lived, so it makes sense that their customs would be similar. For the rest of us, it seems that we follow the customs that have developed out of our own unique individual, familial, and communal experiences throughout the world. Our customs are preferable for us precisely because we do have interactions with other cultures, and our customs grew out of those interactions. Teymani customs are not halachah. As another poster pointed out, they are not recorded in the gemarah; they are not particularly preferable or halachik, otherwise they would have been recorded for posterity by the compilers of the Torah shebaal pe.
Teymani customs are preferable for Teymanim (again, if your original premise is correct) precisely because Teymanim were isolated and there customs grew out of their unique circumstances. Our own customs are preferable for us precisely because they grew out of our interactions with other peoples and represent the way we molded the non-halachik aspects of our practice to deal with our particular living conditions.January 9, 2011 3:12 am at 3:12 am #877677shev143Member
How is that Sefaradim who lived closer to and share more similarities with the Yemenites wear no Peyos, but the Ashkenazim (especially Chasidim) who lived further away and practice entirely differently share the same minhag when it comes to Payos?January 9, 2011 3:27 am at 3:27 am #877678GabboimMember
The Sefardim are originally from Spain. So they too were just as far away.January 9, 2011 4:23 am at 4:23 am #877680charliehallParticipant
“How about if all the vicious anti-Zionists try to, at least, keep their comments for articles and CR threads that have to do with Israel.”
They can’t control themselves. It isn’t their fault. Pray for them.January 9, 2011 4:25 am at 4:25 am #877681
But over the last 600 years they spread throughout North Africa and Southwest Asia.January 9, 2011 4:33 am at 4:33 am #877682charliehallParticipant
Should we destroy all our sifrei torah and replace them with the Yemenite versions, which have a few consonants that are different?January 9, 2011 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm #877683Derech HaMelechMember
I don’t think the chassidim wear peyos because the Yemenites do but rather because its brought al pi kabbalah.
Also what would the zchus be in emulating the Yemenites’ minhagim or along the lines of your thought- emulating the minhagim of the dor dea’ah?
I am not convinced that eating chamin instead of chulent will act as a meilitz yoshar for me at my din v’cheshbon.
The minhagim that they took on were for their reasons and the minhagim that we have today are for our reasons.June 3, 2012 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #877684ohr chodeshMember
Why do the Yemenites wear peyos like the chasidim?
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