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How come I never knew that the Queen of England is married?
Does the media ever mention her husband, Prince Philip?
Interesting stuff… thank you 🙂
How come? I don’t know. Maybe because you live in the USA and we don’t fawn over them or write about them everyday. However, he is seen in photographs a few times a year. Also, since she is the Queen, he did not get the title “king” but remained “Prince”.
Perhaps because the person asking the questions has better things to do than to read up on British royal family.
Interesting discussion:
The title of King is higher than the title Queen. Thus if the Queen is the sovereign her husband isn’t entitled King (as that would imply he is of a higher position than her), but if the King is the sovereign, his wife is entitled Queen.
Charles, Prince of Wales, will become the next King. At that time, Camilla, currently the Princess of Wales and Prince Charles’ wife, will become Queen Camilla.
@Joseph
Camilla, the adulteress, married to Prince Charkles, the adulterer will NEVER be Queen of England. A condition of approval of their marriage was that IF Charles ever gains the throne Camilla will be Princess Consort. (Charles’ father is Prince Consort to Queen Elizabeth II).The announcement of their marriage by Clarence House :
“It is with great pleasure that the marriage of HRH The Prince of Wales and Mrs Camilla Parker Bowles is announced. … It is intended that Mrs Parker Bowles should use the title HRH The Princess Consort when The Prince of Wales accedes to The Throne. The wedding will be a largely private occasion for family and friends.Feb 10, 2005”Camilla currently uses the title Duchess of Cornwall, one of Charles’ lesser titles. If this homewrecker had dared to use the title of ‘Princess of Wales’ there would have been rioting in the streets and it would have been a slap in the face to Charles’ sons William and Harry, whose late mother Diana, was beloved as the Princess of Wales.
Charles is only in direct line for the throne because his Great Uncle Edward VIII abdicated because he was not permitted to marry an American Divorcee (Wallis Simpson) and be King of England, Defender of the Faith, Head of the Church of England. Now, only 80 years later, the church is willing to have a divorced and remarried man sit on the throne and head the church.
CTL, absolutely incorrect.
Camilla WILL be Queen (unless she or Charles passes away before Queen Elizabeth). As wife of the future King, by law of both the UK and all Commonwealth nations, she is currently the Princess of Wales and will be Queen upon Charles’ ascending to the throne. Period. Whether she tells the newspapers to call her Queen or Princess of Wales or Duchess of Cornwall or HRH The Princess Consort or any of whatever the MANY titles both she and Charles have, is an irrelevant personal preference of either hers or the newspapers.
But no matter what you or others (even she!) likes or dislikes, Princess Camilla is now Camilla, Princess of Wales and will be Queen Camilla once there is a King Charles.
As far as the divorce issue, don’t forget that their zeida King Henry specifically broke the Church of England away from Roman Catholicism so that he could remain King and get divorced. So they surely have ample precedent. (And like adulteress Diana, two of his wives were beheaded for adultery, which he – like Charles – was also guilty of.)
It would not surprise me in the the least (in fact I anticipate as such) that King Charles will officially refer to his wife as Queen Camilla once he is King, despite the PR titles that were said will be used for Camilla not long after the untimely but deserved early death of the adulteress Diana occurred and emotions were still raw in the United Kingdom. The wedding announcement was a mere 8 years after Diana met her demise in a crush of metal. By time Charles ascends it’ll be more like 30 years thereafter.
Indeed, the rumblings from Buckingham Palace over the past five years has made clear that Prince Charles is making known that this will be the case.
There is cult in the nation of Vanuatu who believe that Prince Philip is a divine being (see the Wikipedia article on the Prince Philip Movement). This raises an interesting halachic question: is one allowed to bow to Prince Philip?
There are rumors that the Queen will bypass Charles and hand the Kingdom to William. I don’t know if she is legally allowed to bypass Charles…..
“Camilla WILL be Queen (unless she or Charles passes away before Queen Elizabeth).”
You’re overlooking some possibilities: The U.S. might conquer the U.K. and abolish its monarchy. Ireland could attack England and dismantle its govenment in revenge for Cromwell.
iac: Succession is set by law, and the law is jointly set to be the same by the legislatures of all Commonwealth nations. They’d all have to jointly legislate any change to make any adjustments. And the reigning monarch has no say in who succeeds him/her.
CT Lawyer – actually it is settled that Camillia would be queen consort if Charles becomes king (i.e.outlives is mother, which isn’t certain since women live longer than men and the queen was relatively young when Charles was born). A problem with her using the title of “Dutchess of Cornwall” is that Charles daughter in law inherits that title. Of course parliament can juggle the line of succession , and change titles, and has done so quite often since the 15th century.
Also, note that adultery by a male member of the royal family has never been a problem. Indeed, many have suggested the real reason Edward VIII (Duke of Windsor) was forced from the throne was his sympathy with the Nazis (which is also why he was “stashed” in America during the war, to make sure he didn’t try to become the Quisling of occupied England).
Of course the queen (technically, she’s the Queen of the United Kingdom, not the Queen of England) is married. Where do you think her children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren came from?
Also, since she is the Queen, he did not get the title “king” but remained “Prince”.
Phillip was a Prince of Greece and Denmark since birth, but renounced those titles upon naturalization as a British citizen. When he married Princess Elizabeth in 1947, he was no longer a prince. He was not a prince again until 1959 when Queen Elizabeth made him a Prince of the United Kingdom.
Charles, Prince of Wales, will become the next King. At that time, Camilla, currently the Princess of Wales and Prince Charles’ wife, will become Queen Camilla.
Technically correct. When Charles ascends the throne, Camilla will (absent an Act of Parliament) be Queen, just as she is now, legally, the Princess of Wales (although she does not use the title). However, it is unlikely that Camilla will use the title of Queen in public, and will likely be styled “Princess Consort” as per the announcement. Nonetheless, despite that, she will legally be Queen.
Charles is only in direct line for the throne because his Great Uncle Edward VIII abdicated because he was not permitted to marry an American Divorcee (Wallis Simpson) and be King of England
Not true. Edward VIII (later Duke of Windsor) ended up having no children, so had he married Wallis Simpson and kept the throne anyway, the only change would have been that George VI would never have become king and that Elizabeth would have ascended the throne in 1972 instead of 1952.
There are rumors that the Queen will bypass Charles and hand the Kingdom to William. I don’t know if she is legally allowed to bypass Charles…..
She is not. Succession is a matter of law set by Parliament (and the governments of the states where the British soverign is the head of state). The Queen has absolutely no say over who succeeds her.
George V absolutely did not want his oldest son to follow him on the throne. He was convinced that his son’s behavior was ruinous and that he would not last a year on the throne. As it turns out, he was correct, but there was nothing he could do to change the law regarding who his successor was. Succession is in the hands of Parliament and Parliament alone.
In fact, there is no provision in British law for the sovereign to abdicate. When Edward VIII wanted to abdicate to be able to marry Wallis Simpson, it took an Act of Parliament to allow it to happen. His final act as king as to give Royal Assent to His Majesty’s Abdication Act of 1936.
The Wolf (who’s done more than just a little reading on the subject).
Wolf: We disagree about the likelihood of Camilla officially and publicly using her title of Queen.
Wolf: We disagree about the likelihood of Camilla officially and publicly using her title of Queen.
That’s fine. Ultimately, time will tell whether you are correct or I.
The Wolf
A problem with her using the title of “Dutchess of Cornwall” is that Charles daughter in law inherits that title.
Actually, that’s not true.
If Charles predeceases his mother, William will not become Duke of Cornwall. That title is reserved solely for the oldest surviving son of the sovereign. However, if the next in line is not the oldest surviving son (as in this case) the Dukedom would merge with the crown until the Queen dies, whereupon William would become King and George would become Duke of Cornwall.
However, even if this were a normal dukedom, it would still not be a problem. The widow of a Duke is still styled as a Duchess, even if her daughter in law legally acquires the title. So, consider this scenario:
Prince Phillip dies and Charles inherits the title Duke of Edinburgh. Camilla, by marriage becomes the Duchess of Edinburgh (in addition to her other titles). If Charles then dies before ascending the throne, William becomes Duke of Edinburgh and Catherine becomes Duchess of Edinburgh. However, even so, Camilla could still be styled “Camilla, Duchess of Edinburgh” as a dowager duchess.
The Wolf
Diana will never become the Queen that Camilla will become. This is poetic justice given Diana’s sin. The vain Diana wanted nothing more than to become a Queen. Even after Charles divorced her she was still kvetching to the media that she still wanted to become Queen.
Now Camilla is, of course, no better than Diana and deserves the queenhood no more than Diana. She committed the same sin and they are two peas in a pod. But the reason to take pleasure in the fact that Camilla will become Queen where Diana will never get that title she desperately wanted, is the comparative public perception and reaction to these two trollops. While the public scorned Camilla, they worshipped Diana. And what they get is a crushed Diana and a Queen Camilla.
Wolf, I commend your knowledge of the British Monarchy. well done. I have nothing to add, even though this is my pet subject.
LB: If you didn’t know that Elizabeth was married, who’d you think is Charles’ father?
That title is reserved solely for the oldest surviving son of the sovereign.
I need to clarify this statement — The title of Duke of Cornwall is reserved for the oldest surviving son of the sovereign who is the heir apparent. If Charles pre-deceases Elizabeth, the title does not go to William (who is not Elizabeth’s son) or to Andrew (who is the eldest surviving son, but not the heir apparent.
The Wolf
To me the chiddush is that her grandson is married
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