The REAL Logic Behind the Election Fraud Dispute
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December 6, 2020 11:52 am at 11:52 am #1926225ujmParticipant
The likelihood that there was sufficient fraud to change the outcome in three states necessary to overturn the purported results is not high. Nevertheless there has been some measure of election fraud for many many decades. It has largely been unaddressed, uninvestigated and unprosecuted. And it is largely (though not exclusively) conducted by or on behalf of Democrat Party candidates.
This year the Democrats used the pandemic to introduce late changes permitting more voting by mail than state laws already permitted. Mail in voting provides the greatest opportunity for fraud. This late change, without additional safeguards against mail in ballot fraud, increased the typical amount of election year fraud.
Of course lack of a requirement to produce photo identification when voting, something Democrats have worked very hard to insure is the law in most states mostly through their friendly judges overturning state laws requiring ID, as well as a lack of annual pruning of dead voters from the electoral registers and lack of any requirements to prove residency and US citizenship when registering to vote provide additional fraud opportunities.
Following four years of the Russia Hoax where Democrats cynically attempted to discredit President Trump’s amazing 2016 victory in one of the greatest presidential upsets in American history, the Republicans are now returning the favor by now having convinced a large portion of Americans that Biden is a fraud who stole the election.
With U.S. Attorney General William Barr having recently appointed Special Counsel John H. Durham, who like Special Counsel Robert Muller is highly respected on both sides of the aisle, we can now have four years of investigations of various Democrats for their illegal actions leading up to the Russia Hoax.
And the issue of election fraud has now been raised high in the conciousness of hundreds of millions of Americans so that it can no longer be ignored and allowed to fester and used to fraudulently steal elections. Even if this year’s election fraud, whatever the extent was will never be known, cannot be fixed.
This is the very worthwhile and patriotic goal and accomplishment of President Trump and America’s Mayor Rudy Giuliani raising this vital national issue and beating this drumstick for two months following the election.December 6, 2020 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #1926238
I doubt that you ascribe the correct motives to Trump and Giuliani, but I agree that it’s about time we address the weak election security they have.December 6, 2020 2:29 pm at 2:29 pm #1926241
This patriotic goal ends up questioning democracy. This type of behavior blaming Jews for the loss believing in conspiracy theories after World War I brought Hitler ym’s to power when he lost the 1932 election and there were Jews who supported him in the beginning being afraid of communism.December 6, 2020 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #1926287jackkParticipant
I find this to be false and ILLOGICAL.
Just imagine Trump had won like he did in 2016, would Trump and Guliani be doing this ?
The truth is that Republicans exclusively steal elections through many forms of voter suppression.
Now they want to tell 80 million Americans that because they are sore losers,you need to redo the election.
If you believe Democrat’s cheat, don’t vote again ever. Do us all a favor.December 6, 2020 2:34 pm at 2:34 pm #1926290🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
I live in chicago. I KNOW democrats cheat.December 6, 2020 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #1926320commonsaychelParticipant
There may a been a little bit of fraud here and there but not enough to overturn an election.
THE ELECTION IS OVER, YOU NEED TO GO ON WITH YOUR LIFE, הבחירה הסתיימה, אתה צריך להמשיך בחיים שלך, Wybory dobiegły końca, musisz kontynuować swoje życie, LA ELECCIÓN TERMINÓ, NECESITAS SEGUIR CON TU VIDA, די וואַלן איז איבער, איר דאַרפֿן צו פאָרזעצן מיט דיין לעבן. A VÁLASZTÁS VÉGRE VONATKOZIK, ÉLETEHEL FOLYTATNI KELLDecember 6, 2020 4:10 pm at 4:10 pm #1926301ujmParticipant
RE: Most democracies in Europe, the Americas and elsewhere have much tighter election security than the United States.
ckk: Absolutely, yes! As soon as President Trump assumed office in 2017 he appointed an election integrity and fraud commission to investigate exactly this. The Democrats forced it to close down because they oppose secure elections that might prevent them from cheating.December 6, 2020 4:11 pm at 4:11 pm #1926322CTLAWYERParticipant
UJM post a lot of accusations with not a single iota of proof and also posts falsehoods.
Rudy Guiliani is NOT America’s Mayor. He was once the Mayor of NYC, he was never the mayor anywhere else.
He is a serial adulterer, a liar, cheat, and senile. He is not representing America, but is Trump’s personal attorney paid to do Trump’s bidding as an individual, not as President.
I live in a state that requires Picture ID to vote, unless the voter refuses and then has to fill out a form subject to the laws of perjury, attesting the voter is who he/she says is.
You must show proof of residency to register to vote and attest to citizenship subject to criminal penalties.
We don’t have Democrat friendly judges, overturning laws that prevent voter fraud. Our judges are not elected (except Probate) and are non-partisan.
The decision to allow unrestricted absentee ballots in CT was not a late decision, it was made in late March.
I have been an Asst. Registrar of Voters for years. We may not open envelopes and start processing the absentee ballots until the polls open on election day. Our town starting the process at 8am and it was complete before midnight. Every ballot was examined by both a D and and R poll worker before it could be fed into the tabulator machine.
Our Town clerk routinely sends copies of death certificates to the Registrar’s office so those deceased can be removed from the voting lists as soon as the death is registered. The Registrar also gets lists from DMV of address changes. If you move your drivers license out of town, you are struck from the voting roll.
Voter fraud is extremely rare in most of the USA, which is not ti say it is non-existent. BUT, it is not to the level that would have given Trump re-election.
The Grifter, deadbeat, serial bankrupt Trump is using this fraudulent claim to raise hundreds of millions of dollars, that he spend as he wishes through his new PAC. You can bet many of the family will be on the payroll.December 6, 2020 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1926368
The truth is that Republicans exclusively steal elections through many forms of voter suppression.
If you believe Democrat’s cheat, don’t vote again ever. Do us all a favor.
Since you think the Republicans cheat, I assume that in the name of consistency, you don’t vote…December 6, 2020 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #1926383
“The likelihood that there was sufficient fraud to change the outcome in three states necessary to overturn the purported results is not high.”
You are correct here. Biden won fair and square.
You go on to say Republicans are trying to sow doubt and trust in the election to hurt Biden’s presidency in payback for the Russian Hoax.
So let’s be clear you are saying Republicans know Biden won the election fair and square and still they are acting malicious.
The thing with the Russian Hoax, is that it was not a hoax. There was well documented interference by Russia in the election in 2016 to help Trump. Calling it a hoax is a lie. In any case, if memory serves it was Trump’s AG that appointed Mueller, not the Democrats. It was the GOP led Senate that issued a report on Russian interference in the election. This is not a Democrat led thing.
Seems like the GOP playbook these days is simply to lie. Lie about Russian Interference in the Election which a GOP led Senate issued a report that found interference, and now lie about the election Biden won fair and square. The GOP cannot be getting back at Biden for Russian Interference rather it is clear these actions are simply malicious.December 6, 2020 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm #1926378
“I live in chicago. I KNOW democrats cheat.”
And your true colors show once again. Insults against Democrats are fine by you apparently. Dare anyone suggest that support for nonsensical claims of fraud is driven by support for Trump, then you are all offended.December 6, 2020 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1926398
You are correct here. Biden won fair and square.
One doesn’t follow from the other.December 6, 2020 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1926399
And your true colors show once again.
Huh? This is known historical fact. And what do “true colors” mean? Is that some sort of insult? If it is, besides being ridiculous to respond to someone stating a known fact with an insult, it’s totally uncalled for to insult someone personally because if differing political opinions.
If it wasn’t intended as an insult, you’d better brush up on your communication skills, because it sure seemed like one.December 6, 2020 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #1926400
The thing with the Russian Hoax, is that it was not a hoax. There was well documented interference by Russia in the election in 2016 to help Trump.
Yeah, they made some social media posts.
The hoax was saying Trump was involved.
In any case, if memory serves it was Trump’s AG that appointed Mueller, not the Democrats. It was the GOP led Senate that issued a report on Russian interference in the election. This is not a Democrat led thing.
Yes, Rosenstein, but it most certainly was a Democrat led thing, namely Schiff and Pelosi.December 6, 2020 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #1926408Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant
Reb E: there were Jews who supported him in the beginning being afraid of communism
I agree that polarization blew up Germany – afraid of Nazis? vote communists. afraid of commies? vote national socialists … as the center weakened, both outcomes were bad. If communists wereto come to power, the world might have ended even in a worse place than in WW2 – first Stalin would bring army (through Poland) to support democratic republic of Germany, then Eastern Europe will be surrounded and absorbed, etc. There would not be any NATO in Europe to stand against that. Jews would not had it better also…December 6, 2020 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #1926416a pashute yidParticipant
For all those people who wrote a lot of(in my opinion)stupidites.Please bring proof to all the stuff that your saying.December 6, 2020 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #1926425
DY -“The hoax was saying Trump was involved.”
You are correct!
Even more so – these DemonCrats planned this from the beginning in 2016!
From many News Sites:
“Ratcliffe disclosed the information in a letter published by Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) just hours before Trump debates Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, who was vice president at the time.
Clinton’s alleged July 2016 plot would tar Trump by “tying him to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and the Russians’ hacking of the Democratic National Committee,” Ratcliffe wrote Graham, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Handwritten notes by then-CIA Director John Brennan, who now is a fiery anti-Trump commentator, say that Brennan briefed Obama on “alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.””
The Lying Libs defense is – “who says it true?”
They are playing with your Mind!
The only person to check on the Veracity would be Brennan, Not Ratcliff.
Brennan should have Never brought it to the attention of President Obama, even as an example of something, if there was a question of it’s Veracity!December 6, 2020 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #1926433
DY – The person I responded to was very upset by the idea on another thread that someone dared paint all Trump supporters with a single brush (while responding in kind…). On this thread, unprompted, she makes a comment that paints Democrats with a single brush and completely ignores well-known cases of election fraud by Republicans in the last few years.
All, I am saying, is don’t play victim when someone says something you don’t like about Trump supporters when you go a sling the other way.
The true colors is the intolerant partisanship. She loves to pretend she is above the fray.December 6, 2020 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm #1926435
Health – tried on another thread to debate something with you and you were making claims and then changing the claims and it was impossible to have a sensible conversation. Perhaps there are points you raise that are worthy of response but I feel it is a waste to address points that in your next comment you will say well of course I left out important details because this was not your point but rather something that you have yet to reveal.
Also, I expect at least one commenter here to be very offended by your use of Lying Libs, as they would feel you are using that as an insult against everyone who disagrees with your thesis here and of course it ignores the just as bad actions of the other side.December 6, 2020 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #1926441
On the other thread, the comments basically did say that by definition a Trump supporter is a cultist and thinks Trump can do no wrong.
Here, on the other hand, she did not say or imply that every Democrat is a cheater, just that it’s been historically true that there have been Democrat cheating scandals in Chicago.
If you want to argue that Republicans also cheat, or cheat more, that’s fine, you’re entitled to state opposing opinions (and of course saying that would not mean that every single Republican is a cheater), but don’t insult people baselessly.December 6, 2020 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #1926453
This was the offensive comment which lumped all pro Trump people together:
At this point after all the attacks Trump has made on American Democracy if you are still pro-Trump you either don’t care about American Democracy or you are in the cult and believe whatever he does is automatically the best.December 7, 2020 9:20 am at 9:20 am #1926559hujuParticipant
Logic alone tells us nothing about the REAL world. Facts are necessary. When you Trump supporters have some facts about election fraud, let me know. In the meantime, stop whining.December 7, 2020 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm #1926646
Huju -“Logic alone tells us nothing about the REAL world. Facts are necessary. When you Trump supporters have some facts about election fraud, let me know. In the meantime, stop whining.”
You Libs aren’t interested in Facts!
The Fake News won’t cover it.
Do you think YWN should cover it?
If you are really are interested in Facts, go to NTD news – they have Guiliani testifying with witnesses to Michigan committee, either Representatives or Senate, about the Fraud there!December 7, 2020 1:09 pm at 1:09 pm #1926669commonsaychelParticipant
This getting stale already, give it upDecember 7, 2020 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm #1926707hershhParticipant
anyone believing that Biden really won this election needs to be fed hay. the guy never really campaigned and has no opinion on any issue. it’s an amazing the way the media controls people’s opinions. they typically throw in such innocent phrases ‘ trump said without evidence’ and people be believe these words. The NYT would quote ‘3 anonymous sources’ whereas these are usually big libig lies. most people are not sophisticated enough to see this. America will miss theTrump leadershipDecember 7, 2020 3:01 pm at 3:01 pm #1926711hujuParticipant
To Health: The Michigan committee was not a court. Giuliani has lost in every court he’s entered on this fraud fairy tale.December 7, 2020 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1926744young rechnitzParticipant
reb eiezer you are talking to the wrong side. the repulicans are not the ones supporting socialism and antifa the dems went on a 3 year witch hunt and the gop cant go through the thousands of witnesses they have. the people on this chat need to go to a BM learn some gemarah
Edited – there are real people on the other side of these posts-29December 7, 2020 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #1926745young rechnitzParticipant
if the libs lie they should not be offended to be called liars they should be proud of itDecember 7, 2020 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #1926802
It’s not true that voter fraud never gets investigated in the US. Both the Bush and Trump administrations investigated voter fraud. Both found near nothing.December 7, 2020 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #1926803
Trump’s AG Sessions, a long-time conservative Republican, appointed Bush’s former FBI director, life-long Republican Mueller, to investigate the smoke around Trump associates and the Russian intervention (which the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee concluded happened). This is the Democrat’s “Russia hoax?!”
Hillary Clinton conceded at 2 AM the night of the election. No one ever claimed she hadn’t lost.December 7, 2020 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #1926805
Hershh – yes, the voters hated Trump so much that they elected Biden even while splitting their ballots for GOP lawmakers and state politicians. He’s that odious.December 7, 2020 9:10 pm at 9:10 pm #1926830
hershh, we need someone not so conceited that he thinks he knows everything by getting rid of his best advisers.December 7, 2020 10:33 pm at 10:33 pm #1926841charliehallParticipant
“This was the offensive comment which lumped all pro Trump people together”
The truth hurts. Well, facts don’t care about your feelings. If Trump does succeed in overturning the election it doesn’t just mean that the US is no longer a democracy, but that there is no longer a rule of law here.December 7, 2020 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #1926870
The truth? That’s your truth that if someone supports the most pro Israel president ever, he’s a cultist?
If the election is overturned, it will be because fraud is proven. If it wouldn’t be overturned even if fraud were proven, that would mean we have no rule of law.December 7, 2020 11:29 pm at 11:29 pm #1926862
Oh Charlie, -” If Trump does succeed in overturning the election it doesn’t just mean that the US is no longer a democracy, but that there is no longer a rule of law here.”
If Trump does succeed in overturning the election it doesn’t just mean that the US is a Great Democracy, but that there is a Very Strong rule of law here!December 9, 2020 10:43 pm at 10:43 pm #1927487
YWN is accepting that Trump lost. See https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1927351/are-jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-moving-to-miami.html
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