January 2, 2013 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #607674
The CR community has been victim to trolls for a long time now. Trolls, such as Shmendrick are polluting the quality of the CR. It seems like every other thread nowadays is started by a troll looking for a high. While some users actually enjoy reading troll posts, trying to find inconsistencies and trip up the troll, I feel that majority of the posters and readers here would be happier without Shmendrick, Joseph and their array of different SN’s.
I propose that the CR democratically recruit a brigade of Troll Slayers that will decide which trolls deserve to be blocked. The mods would work hand in hand and block as per the TSB’s suggestions. I don’t mean to criticize the work the mods have done so far, but I feel that the CR members have way less tolerance for trolls (like Shmendrick) than mods do. Almost every single post (possibly all posts) by shmendrick is a troll post, yet no one stopped the posts from going through.
Mods, please let us CR coffee drinkers decide what brand of coffee we like best. Because frankly, not too many of us like troll-flavored coffee.January 2, 2013 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #917351
You should keep in mind that we have no idea what happens behind the scenes – we may only be seeing half of shmendrick’s posts (the others being deleted). The mods have said in the past that that was the case with some trolls that people complained about. I think sometimes we expect certain things from the mods, without taking into account the effort they are already putting in.
That being said, I do like the idea of there being a user-based method of flagging trolls. However, it should not be done on the public forum. We all know from experience that it can quickly spiral into some very unpleasant and messy witch-hunts. I think that it would be nice if there was some sort of line of communication straight to the mods dedicated to flagging troublesome users. However, I don’t know how difficult such a thing would be to execute, so I don’t know if it’s something we can expect.January 2, 2013 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm #917352
OOM: “You should keep in mind that we have no idea what happens behind the scenes – we may only be seeing half of shmendrick’s posts (the others being deleted).”
If 99% of shmendrick’s approved posts are trolls, I don’t care if his total posts are approved 50% or 1% of the time. Just block him. And I thank the mods for finally doing that a few minutes ago. I personally would have done it a month ago.
…it should not be done on the public forum. We all know from experience that it can quickly spiral into some very unpleasant and messy witch-hunts.
You may be right about that. I guess it could done via email with a select few volunteers. Anywho, if it’s possible to go forward with the TSB, I would suggest you, ICOT, and Popa to take up the job among maybe two others.January 2, 2013 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #917353just my hapenceParticipant
Where do I get my regulation Vorpal Sword from?
Seriously though, I do feel that the mods have been cracking down a bit recently with the removal of a few of the more odious trolls which, personally, I am very grateful for. That said, there does seem to be a lot of tolerance given to trolls here sometimes. As such, if needed, I shall be more than happy to unsheathe Glamdring.January 2, 2013 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #917354apushatayidParticipant
“However, it should not be done on the public forum.”
I a world where anonymity reigns, there is no such thing as “public forum”.January 2, 2013 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #917355besalelParticipant
the problem with this forum is that often people cant tell the difference between humor/sarcasm and someone being a troll. even shmendrick only became a troll after his original posts were treated as if he was being serious when clearly he was being sarcastic. he took it and ran with it. if he were treated like pigeons and cats, and not fed, it wouldnt have become a problem.January 2, 2013 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #917356ToiParticipant
I agree. The problem with trolls is that then when I post a troll-esque opinion, no-one is willing to listen, they just yell troll.January 2, 2013 9:57 pm at 9:57 pm #917357
Besalel, Toi: That issue is easily dealt with. Experienced, long time posters, that have an eye for trolls would be in the Troll Slaying Brigade. They would be able to figure out who is trolling for fun and who is trolling lishma.
Oh, and Toi, why take offense when a troll post of yours is labelled as a troll? A troll-post here and there doesn’t (necessarily) make one a troll. A troll could be either the cheftza or the gavra. Or both.January 2, 2013 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #917358just my hapenceParticipant
besalel – I’m not entirely sure that shmendrick was ever benign, some of his posts were just too OTT for that. Trolling does not entail that one is serious about what one posts, most trolls are rarely serious about anything they write. shmendrick might have been being sarcastic, but he was still, IMHO, always a troll from the beginning.January 2, 2013 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #917359
uneeq: If 99% of shmendrick’s approved posts are trolls, I don’t care if his total posts are approved 50% or 1% of the time. Just block him. And I thank the mods for finally doing that a few minutes ago. I personally would have done it a month ago.
True…I guess I just feel a little bad for the mods. Blocking a user is a tough call to make. You want your decision to be impartial, and it’s hard to do that when you are prejudiced against someone on basis of their opinions. To clarify: I don’t think people should be blocked just for having bizarre opinions – only if they are obviously using them to mess with people and/or using multiple screen names illegally to express them. And it’s hard to make that call when you already have that bias.January 2, 2013 11:25 pm at 11:25 pm #917360
apushatayid: I a world where anonymity reigns, there is no such thing as “public forum”.
Virtual public forum, then. I don’t agree with the idea that anonymity equals no holds barred. There are still civil and uncivil ways of dealing with these things.January 2, 2013 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #917361
OneOfMany, I don’t care for why you or anyone else of many who typically do, are bent on defending the mods, when one of shmendrick’s first posts is self admittedly the cause for his blocking, and they also somehow know he is the same as the other troll. In any case in my opinion it was not a tough call at all determining what he was here for. The same goes for the other troll post they let through the other day and others in previous times. Worst case scenario the troll can just be meshane shmo and stop being a troll.January 2, 2013 11:35 pm at 11:35 pm #917362
besalel, Toi: The difference between trolls and posters who troll is that posters who troll are also capable of expressing themselves in a non-trolling and decent manner. They may occasionally engage in sarcasm at the expense of others, but it is clear from the rest of their interactions with others that it is in the context of civil exchange. Stam trolls don’t attempt to operate within this context (or break the unspoken rules that govern such interactions).January 2, 2013 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #917363popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I’m not so bothered by trolls. Maybe because I kind of started as a troll, and have been called a troll on several websites (including this one).
It’s the stalkers and creeps who bother me. I say leave the trolls be.January 3, 2013 12:38 am at 12:38 am #917364
“They may occasionally engage in sarcasm at the expense of others”
OneOfMany- We are not goyim, troll. Stop legitimizing reprehensible behavior.
Also, I find the schizophrenic meandering between seriousness and sarcasm to be more disingenuous and disagreeable than “normative” trolling.
popa_bar_abba, as a non-troll, I say don’t leave the trolls be.January 3, 2013 1:05 am at 1:05 am #917365N.GMember
Never figured out what Troll meansJanuary 3, 2013 1:21 am at 1:21 am #917366I can only tryMember
How about “For Whom the Bell Trolls”
Or “The Billy’s Club” (as in the billy goats gruff)
Take a troll down memory lane?
Trolling for dollars?
Trolling down the river?
“That being said, I do like the idea of there being a user-based method of flagging trolls. However, it should not be done on the public forum. We all know from experience that it can quickly spiral into some very unpleasant and messy witch-hunts. I think that it would be nice if there was some sort of line of communication straight to the mods dedicated to flagging troublesome users. However, I don’t know how difficult such a thing would be to execute, so I don’t know if it’s something we can expect.“
Unfortunately.January 3, 2013 1:38 am at 1:38 am #917367
Kozov: We are not goyim, troll. Stop legitimizing reprehensible behavior.
Did you read the second half of that sentence? I’ll run it by you again: “…but it is clear from the rest of their interactions with others that it is in the context of civil exchange.” I don’t know about you, but in real life, I find that very many times people engage in humor that playfully pokes fun at someone, very often a sibling or a close friend. The point is that they are doing it in a context of mutual respect and acknowledgment, which makes such interactions agreeable to both parties. Obviously, if you do not have that context, then the jibe is nothing more than an insult. But if you are not comfortable with that type of humor, fine – just realize that it is a very common and legitimate way for people to interact.January 3, 2013 2:03 am at 2:03 am #917368
I vote for Trollbusters! ^_^January 3, 2013 3:23 am at 3:23 am #917369
I read “at the expense of others” along with the rest of the post the only way I was able to understand it.
And again, if something is common, it doesn’t make it legitimate.
Also, the context of this forum is not the same as the context you mention, hence the multitude of complaints and offenses taken, not just by myself.January 3, 2013 3:42 am at 3:42 am #917370☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
The problem is, most interesting, controversial threads are started by [a] troll(s).January 3, 2013 3:44 am at 3:44 am #917371
k dudeJanuary 3, 2013 3:50 am at 3:50 am #917372wanderingchanaParticipant
I think that even the regulars have more patience for trolls than they’re admitting. I swing by every so often and see that not much has changed. To be honest, I felt like I’d been had when it occurred to me that all this ‘troll activity’ keeps people coming back to the CR, and maybe that’s why the mods put up with a lot more than perhaps they should.
It will be interesting to see if this gets edited, or should I say EDITED…!January 3, 2013 4:04 am at 4:04 am #917373☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
it occurred to me that all this ‘troll activity’ keeps people coming back to the CR,
Bingo!January 3, 2013 4:16 am at 4:16 am #917374
Oooooooh, conspiracy theories… ^_^January 3, 2013 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #917375
There are two posters here who are de facto trolls, as their posts are not within the boundaries of “The Yeshiva World.” One is just a farbissener, whereas the other looks for attention. Neither is entertaining in the least, whereas Schmendrick did have a couple of humorous threads to his credit.January 3, 2013 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm #917376TheGoqParticipant
“For Whom the Bell Trolls”
Icot i have to say i was the one to first post these two things i dont remember on what threads i did them but they were mine.January 3, 2013 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #917377ToiParticipant
uneeq- Because, as i said, it has become the vogue to yell TROLL!!! MODS!!! and disregard my very funny posts. They are very funny.January 3, 2013 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #917378
Troll House chips are available from Mageifa, a special line put out by a joint venture between Mehadrin and Gefen and certified kosher by Moussa al-Dib Beck of Ir haKoidesh Monsey NK.
Mix 1 bag of Troll House chips with lots of nuts. Half-bake in an oven that is missing a lot of screws. Serve to inebriated guests on Peerim, or give to shababniks to throw at passing cars every Shabbos.January 3, 2013 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #917379I can only tryMember
Trolliers Encyclopedia verifies that “The Goq” was indeed first:
Furthermore, “Troll Patrol”, which was going to be my next suggestion, was also already posted other threads.
Well, you know what they say about great minds.January 3, 2013 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #917380popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Don’t forget to take off challah and donate it to Od Joseph Chai.January 3, 2013 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #917381
And don’t forget, both trock music and troll music, as well as trock-and-troll music are ossur lemehadrin and subject to cherem chamor.
Now, all my wonderful friends, my dear holy trollers, the sweetest of the sweet, the holiest of the holy, the trolliest of the trolly…
I’m really on a troll these days….(or am I also a troll?)
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