December 10, 2010 11:58 am at 11:58 am #593405
Just for this Shabbos,I am going to make sure I don’t say or cause others to say A WORD of Loshon Hora.
Anyone care to try it with me?December 10, 2010 1:02 pm at 1:02 pm #716218
anonymously is fineDecember 10, 2010 1:10 pm at 1:10 pm #716219pet peeveMember
count me in. great idea.December 10, 2010 3:12 pm at 3:12 pm #716220
I’m going to say lashon hara all day to distract the soton and help you.December 10, 2010 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #716222
Sorry, no can do.
As a Ba’al Kriah, I am going to read Beraishis I am going to read the pasuk where Ya’akov Avinu says that the days of his life are “m’at v’raim…” an act for which he was later punished.
So, I plan on saying Loshon Harah this shabbos — publicly. I guess that’s another reason that I’m doomed in the afterlife — every year I say LH about people in the Chumash.
The WolfDecember 10, 2010 5:28 pm at 5:28 pm #716223dunnoMember
You are too funny!December 10, 2010 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #716224
thanksDecember 10, 2010 5:48 pm at 5:48 pm #716225arcParticipant
wolf I know you were attempting to be humourous but I dont think its right to imply the torah is being hypocriticalDecember 10, 2010 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #716226
I did not mean to imply that at all. Nor was I attempting to be humorous. When I attempt to be funny, I’ll usually include a smiley.
The WolfDecember 10, 2010 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #716227SacrilegeMember
You arent saying LH about people in the Torah if you read it. Duh.December 10, 2010 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #716228bptParticipant
I’d love to join, Eclipse, but I’m still working on my “kriyas shemah shel mitta, from a siddur” kabbolah, and I’ve still got a ways to go there.
But you picked a great idea!December 10, 2010 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm #716230YW Moderator-80Member
Nor was I attempting to be humorous.
you werent being humorous..
you want us to accept that you believe that you will doomed in the afterlife because you lain in Shul
you want us to actually believe this.
please tell me there is an alternate explanation to: Nor was I attempting to be humorous.December 10, 2010 6:20 pm at 6:20 pm #716231
About Shabbos….December 10, 2010 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #716232
Well, I believe that I’m doomed in the afterlife regardless of what I do in shul on Shabbos — but that’s a whole other discussion I suppose. This is just one more “nail in the coffin” so to speak.
The WolfDecember 10, 2010 6:24 pm at 6:24 pm #716233
Antiochus Kills Channah’s Seven Sons
Antiochus had established his cruel decrees of religious persecution, and prepared to leave Yerushalayim to return to his throne. He appointed his official, Phillip, as the governor of Judea, and ordered him to harshly enforce his decrees. Phillip promptly arrested Elazer Hakohen, an elderly chacham, and ordered him to eat pig meat which was offered as a sacrifice to Antiochus. The governor was eager to have his orders obeyed by Elazer to set an example to the rest of the Jews. He even told Elazer that he would secretly exchange the pig for kosher meat, and he would only have to appear as if he was eating pig meat. Elazer Hakohen refused and was put to death.
The seventh and youngest brother, who was only seven years old, was then brought. Antiochus was determined to win over at least this child. Antiochus begged him to obey his orders, and promised him to appoint him as his viceroy, who will rule over his entire kingdom. He promised him wealth and possessions. The boy contemptuously rejected his offer. Antiochus offered to throw down his ring and the boy will bend down to pick it up, at least giving the appearance of obeying the king. The boy refused.
Chanah then stood over the bodies of her sons, and davened. As she finished davening, she threw herself off the roof and fell to her death.
From Revach.netDecember 10, 2010 6:26 pm at 6:26 pm #716234
BTW, don’t get me wrong… I think that eclipse’s idea is a good one, and one that most people should join. I’m not knocking her (it is her, isn’t it?) idea at all.
The WolfDecember 10, 2010 6:46 pm at 6:46 pm #716235
With that mindset you will never improve and never even try to do Teshuvah because you think you are a lost case.
Rabbi Nachman M’Breslav says, “Im ata ma’amin sh’ykholim lekalkel, ta’amin sh’yecholim letaken”
The worst thing in the world is Yiush. You sound like you have given up. This is the most powerful tool of the Yetzer Hara. Anyone can change and its never too late. Until you are dead. (Even after death actually, a son can be Mezakeh the father.)
The point is no matter what you did, Hashem still accepts Teshuvah if its sincere. Learn the sefer Shaarei Teshuvah of the Rabbeinu Yonah (with the English translation)December 10, 2010 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm #716236
Anyone can change and its never too late.
In any event, it doesn’t matter. I’m not abandoning doing mitzvos. I’m not going out and eating pork and saying “what does it matter?” Nor do I have any plans to abandon observance of the mitzvos at any time in the future.
Furthermore, I can’t do teshuva because I don’t regret most of the things that cause me to lose my chelek in olam habah anyway. I went over that in another thread (sorry, I’m too lazy to look it up now).
The WolfDecember 10, 2010 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #716237
You can do Teshuvah, you can come to the point where you regret it and then you can do Teshuvah. I know from personal experience that there were things I did that took me a long time to get to the point where I sincerely regretted it. A person has to work on getting close to Hashem. Our purpose in life, if we were to sum it up in one sentence is to get close to Hashem. The closer you get to Hashem the more remorse you will have for having done things that are against His will.December 10, 2010 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm #716238
you can come to the point where you regret it
I can’t foresee any set of circumstances where I will regret calling my wife and kids by nicknames.
I can’t foresee any set of circumstances where I could be convinced that Young Earth Creationism is correct*.
Either of the above causes one to lose their chelek in Olam HaBah according to many opinions.
There are other things as well, but those are the two that come to mind first.
* Just to be clear — I *do* believe that HKBH created the world and is a manhig in the world. I just believe it’s well over 5771 years old.December 10, 2010 7:36 pm at 7:36 pm #716239
“I can’t foresee any set of circumstances where I will regret calling my wife and kids by nicknames.”
You see, youre giving up before even trying. Its not your job to see the future. Do you know whats going to happen in 5 minutes from now that you can say in all certainty “I can’t foresee any set of circumstances where I will regret calling my wife and kids by nicknames.”?!
When you become a fortune teller and predict the winning lotto numbers than you can say things like that. Otherwise, realize that as smart and knowledgeable a person may be, he still hasnt scratched the surface of how much wisdom is available to be known. Just focus on growing as a Jew.
If you ask a Baal Teshuvah who was formerly not religious he will probably tell you there were 1000’s of things he does now that he couldn’t foresee himself doing and 1000’s of things he now believes that he couldnt back then foresee himself believing.
There are probably numerous things in your own life that you can say this about as well. If theres any subject you dont well understand, instead of saying “I cant foresee myself….” why dont you go to a Rabbi who is well versed and believes and understands that thing that you cant “foresee yourself believing” and ask him to explain it to you.
I dont know much about quantum mechanics so I cant foresee myself believing that its true or real. Do I sound like an intelligent human being?December 10, 2010 7:44 pm at 7:44 pm #716240
Without caring about the other points.
It does not make sense to think it is impossible for the world to be 5771 years old.
If you believe G-d created the world, is it any harder to create a world that looks old than one which looks young? Is it harder to make cave drawings than caves? Is it harder to make fossils than fish? Is it harder to make dead dinosaurs than live?December 10, 2010 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm #716241YW Moderator-80Member
uh ohDecember 10, 2010 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #716242Yanky123Member
Didn’t read all posts besides original. Ill make an extra effort this shabbos bl”n. Thanks to original poster. Your Zechus. . .Good Shabbos!!!December 10, 2010 8:18 pm at 8:18 pm #716243Avram in MDParticipant
You say you follow the mitzvos, of which Hashem promised us good if we do them, so you cannot be consistent to say you are condemned.
Furthermore, every reason you give for being condemned is fundamentally absurd, at best a gross distortion of rabbinical pronouncements or a caricature of things people have said here, for example, laining Torah (lashon hara?!), giving nicknames to your family (do you purposely hurt your family’s feelings with the nicknames, or are you by extension condemning every parent of an Avi, Ruthie, Shoshi, Rivkie, Malkie, etc.?), and a large number of other topics brought up here. You alternate this behavior with opening topics that demonstrate a high level of concern for proper middos and behavior, not the type asked by someone who is really condemned. You act fully within the Jewish sphere but seem to want the rest of us to place you outside of it for flimsy, silly reasons. Out of burning curiosity… why???December 11, 2010 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm #716244
giving nicknames to your family (do you purposely hurt your family’s feelings with the nicknames, or are you by extension condemning every parent of an Avi, Ruthie, Shoshi, Rivkie, Malkie, etc.?)
I don’t make any statements about anyone else. Unlike other people on these boards, I would never dare to suggest that anyone else has no chelek in Olam HaBah — regardless of their actions. That’s between them and HKBH — and I am not a party to that relationship. What other people call their kids and if they’re comfortable with their portion in the hereafter regarding that is not my business.
In any event, my reading of the Rambam doesn’t seem to make any distinction between if one intends to hurt people’s feelings or not. Obviously I don’t intend such a thing. Nonetheless, I started calling Eeees Eeees well before I learned the Rambam. It’s a part of our shared relationship — and one that I do not want to alter. If I stopped calling my kids things like “kiddo,” they’d probably start to wonder if there was a fundamental shift in our relationship.
If the Rambam wants to consign me to hell for that, then that’s fine. I’m willing to accept punishment for disobeying the Rambam. I value my relationship with my wife and kids that much.
It does not make sense to think it is impossible for the world to be 5771 years old. If you believe G-d created the world, is it any harder to create a world that looks old than one which looks young?
Suffice it to say that I find the Ompholos theory unsatisfying and just about as valid as Last Thursdayism. I don’t really want to debate the point here… I just picked it as an example. There are many other examples I could have picked. So, please, let’s not argue age of the universe here. Just accept that we agree to disagree.
The WolfDecember 11, 2010 11:33 pm at 11:33 pm #716245
I’m happy to report that with the exception that I noted above, I did not speak Loshon HaRah this Shabbos — all because of your suggestions.
Of course, a nice white shirt with a huge red stain in the middle of it is ruined no matter clean the non-stained area is. So, in the end, I didn’t really meet your goal. Nonetheless, I thought you might appreciate the effort.
The WolfDecember 12, 2010 12:56 am at 12:56 am #716246chesednameParticipant
Avram in MD
He does it for the reaction.December 12, 2010 12:58 am at 12:58 am #716247aries2756Participant
Eclipse, I did it! gut voch!December 12, 2010 1:52 am at 1:52 am #716248
He does it for the reaction.
BZZZZT! I’m sorry, but you are incorrect, sir. Nonetheless, thank you for playing. We have some lovely consolation gifts for you backstage. 🙂
The Wolf (who, if he was going for reaction, could post things that are FAR more provocative).December 12, 2010 2:36 am at 2:36 am #716249chesednameParticipant
don’t tease me, what did i win???December 12, 2010 2:42 am at 2:42 am #716250
Yes, but unlike a stained white shirt which has no value unless the stain is removed, G-d does not treat anybody imperfect as completely damaged. So even in your thinking, a whole shabbos with only one public lashon hara about the shivtei Y-uh is pretty good.December 12, 2010 5:28 am at 5:28 am #716251
Thank you for the feedback.Personally,I was careful– with one exception(someone asked me about landlord stuff…).But as soon as I remembered my post,I dropped the subject.
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