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I am also confused
why are hazals definitions of galut not good ‘working definitions’ ?
I did not post “random musings” …
I posted hazal’s definitions of galut
why are hazal’s definitions not ‘commonly agreed foundations’ ?
I am not disagreeing perse with anything you wrote
just that it is hollow ,incomplete and therefore misleading , to define a concept by only one characteristic …
all explanations by hazal are relevant …
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or not ?
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.maybe i am just having issue parsing your words. please make a concrete statement like “Gulis is ….”, so we will (hopefully) have a baseline agreement of what we are talking about.
[btw, i mean the thing we formally call “gulis” since chorbon bayis rishon, and perhaps since shibid mitzroyim. I don’t mean the nonspecific generalized word that could mean “gulis from my fathers house” or “personal gulis from myself”, etc. It is valuable you brought this up and the exact reason I want to clarify this word now.]
Bump to keep this thread up. If still want my answer, I am awaiting your response.
have not forgotten
will post bln
.galut includes :
shibud malhuyot in the form of onerous taxes specifically on the jews
shibud malhuyot as they interfere with kiyum hamitsvot
lack of malhut beit david
dispersion of the yehudim all around the world
being far from EY
lacking the avoda
lacking the tahara engendered by hakravat hakorbanot
lacking the BHMK
lacking hashra’at hashechina
the tsa’ar hashchina
physical tsarot as a result of shibud malhuyot
the immense power of the se’or sheba’issa or the yetser hara
the fact that most of the world’s inhabitants are not aware of the RBSHO and his torah
lacking the required menucha needed to delve into torah properly
lacking batei din smuchim
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that is as far as my mind goes at this moment
all of the above is included in galut
and will be restored when mashiach will come , may it be soon in our days
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.just as reminder
everything on the list above comes from hazal and sefarim kdoshim
nothing is my own
all of the above is kasher to be used as a ‘shared foundation and starting point’ for discussion.
.hello mr somejew
this is not a competition in intellect at all
this is a conversation re the proof that , zionism nowadays, is against any ikarei emuna
where we are still waiting for somejew to substantiate this claim
we are waiting along time already …..
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Thought that somejew went on an extended holiday
but then he popped up on one of the other threads ….
so mr somejew …
we were in the middle of a conversation …
you were going to prove that zionism is a contradiction to the ikarei emuna ….
you were even going to pinpoint which of the ikarei emuna it contradicts and why …
you were going to prove that it is impossible to be a religious zionist , because those two terms have to contradict each other …
am still waiting ….
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so many questions ….
so many questions katan , somejew and ujm are ignoring …
why are they not answering ….
does it have anything to do with the possibility that they simply do not have the answers …..
does it have anything to do with the possibility that they fear that their own answers will incriminate their own shittot …..
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.it seems that shtika is kehoda’ah ….
zionism is not necessarily against any of the ikarei emuna
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.katan and somejew
would you use a zionist neurosurgeon ?
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katan and somejew went on an extended holiday …..
how convenient ….
no need to answer questions ….
no accountability ….
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