Time for Frum Magazines to Change their Standards

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With all respect, you are not an especially good troll. The CR is privileged to have a world class misogynist in Reb Yosef (aka UJM). Perhaps study his technique and style and try again after you have refined your skills.

Don’t blame the messenger because you don’t like the message. I didn’t author the Shulchan Aruch OR the Rambam.

Gadol, you’re mixing up the Rambam with the sefer yereim. The latter holds that a man is allowed to physically discipline his wife. Other rishonim hold that way too, but the Rambam makes no mention of it, and neither does shulchan aruch. Like all methods of mussar, they are subject to the ultimate question of if it will work – in today’s age, and really for the past 200 years, the answer to that is a resounding “no.” It does not work. It’s not wrong in principle, because there were rishonim who mention it, and if it works to ensure that the wife adheres to halacha, why is it any different than beis din beating people to comply with halacha?

Aveira,

The Rambam is in Hilchos Ishus 21:10; you’re free to verify this with any kollel man or Orthodox Rav. Since “it’s not wrong in principle”, how often do you beat your wife?

I’ll also add that any beis din will side with a wife who is being reprimanded by her husband with any sort of physical means

Dofi: The Rambam in Hilchos Ishus 21:10 is saying that Beis Din can administer corporal punishment to the wife, in such circumstances. NOT that the husband can.

Ujm, it’s not punishment. It’s forcing her or the husband to perform mitzvos, which is done across the board. It is noteworthy that the Rambam says “even with a stick” by a woman and doesn’t say “even” by men, since it’s a chidush that even beis din would use a stick to hit a woman.

Dofi, people change, hashkofa doesn’t.

So if chazal advocated for physical mussar in such terms, we would still do it nowadays. But they don’t. It’s in rishonim, who also do not give it any unconditional application. Therefore we apply conditions to those shitos – that’s besides the fact that the consensus of poskim appears to not be in accordance to those shitos.

So to recap:

Thus discussion, though a weak attempt at displaying my supposed hypocrisy, has nothing to do with chazal at all, as we are talking about not unqualified statements of rishonim.

Moreover, the halacha does not follow those rishonim.

“If Rishonim hold that it’s acceptable for a husband to beat his wife, how dare you write “it’s not only not effective but grossly harmful in our time”? That’s every bit as heretical as saying that Chazal didn’t know how to build cars or nuclear weapons!”

I was just having a discussion with my wife about parenting and I blame it all on feminism and TV

The Mishnah is sotah says “in ikvasa d’meshicha…. Chutzpah will be rampant a son will disgust his father a daughter will stand up to her mother etc” and I said that is was all do to the two things I mentioned

Those two things changed the psyche of people that made it that a father can’t hit his kids or his wife and therefore the family hierarchy is destroyed because women view themselves on equal level to the father and therefore kids devalue their parents

If you look at Arab countries where there is no feminism and tv only shows what they want the kids are way more obedient (cue the kids in Gaza)

Just my humble opinion, I’m sorry if I offended anyone

And to answer gadolhadofi that’s how people changed and it answers how the rishonim can know nuclear physics

2cents,

What I said holds true for other Arab countries too I was just using it as an example

CA,

“What I said holds true for other Arab countries too I was just using it as an example”.

It seems you’re treating an assumption as if it were a fact.

For those of you who think its funny trolling about spousal abuse, perhaps grow up and stop demonstrating your ignorance and immaturity.