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  • #1101661
    tzippi
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    Rockymts. it sounds like an idea whose time has come, especially since it allows the girls to experience Tishrei (and let’s hope a happy Av).

    Fabie, you can probably find the menahel’s number on line – Rabbi Eli Yelen, Oak Park MI.

    #1101662
    potpie
    Member

    Confused Tatty, what seminary did your daughter decide on in the end?

    #1101663
    arc
    Participant

    anyone know about montreal?

    #1101664
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    anyone know about montreal?

    Big city in Canada. Many people speak French.

    The Wolf

    #1101666
    tomim tihye
    Member

    One point about Yavne, Cleveland:

    Some girls think that if they don’t live in a dorm, they’re missing out on a major part of the sem experience; since Yavne doesn’t have a dorm, these girls are reluctant to go.

    NOT TRUE!

    Although you board with a family, you can request a house which has several boarders, so that it actually feels like a mini-dorm. Plus, you usually have the basement or attic to yourself, so you can invite friends over and really have dorm life.

    The advantage, of course, is that you still have your space and privacy when you want it, which you don’t have in a real dorm.

    #1101667

    potpie — My daughter decided in the end on Machon Raaya. She, as are we, is very excited to go next year. IY”H she (and all the other girls attending seminary next year) will have much hatzlacha.

    Thank you all for your patience and valuable input.

    #1101668

    Everyone should remember to take into account that whatever seminary your daughters’ attend defines what type of girl they are when it comes to shidduchim

    #1101669
    hodulashem
    Participant

    in the parsha, please tell me you aren’t being serious…

    #1101671

    I was actually joking. I recently heard that some people do think like this, I was just making fun of this train of thought. Sorry, it was in poor taste.

    #1101672
    dogo
    Participant

    Every joke has “some” truth to it

    #1101673
    emlf
    Member

    I’m surprised. Is Bais Yaakov in BP closing?

    I went there five years ago and had a very good year. There was a big mixture – Litvish, Chasidish, Sefardi, from all different places.

    One point – enjoy the seminary year. I wish I could be in seminary again . . .

    #1101674

    Bais Yaakov in BP is not closing.

    The half day program is better than the intensive program, the intensive program leaves too much time empty for most girls and the hours are not good for doing anything else at the same time.

    EDITED

    #1101675
    potpie
    Member

    Does anyone know anything about Bnos Sarah? Haskafah/academic wise, type of girls, size of school, etc.?

    #1101676
    fabie
    Member

    We are considering the new Gateshead. Does anyone know about this?

    #1101677
    potpie
    Member

    Which seminaries emphasize hashkafah in addition to being academic?

    #1101678

    I personally think that BYHD and the intensive program are both waiting rooms to get married and say that they passed sem. Nothing wrong-just not for the girls who want a serious year of learning and a REAL sem experience. I know quite a few girls who went there and were home half the time. They were the type for it and so they loved it.

    #1101679
    potpie
    Member

    The CR has been quite busy today; just bringing this thread back to the main page. Please answer the question that I posted above!

    #1101680
    potpie
    Member

    Just reviving this thread now that it’s a new year.

    If any of my questions still haven’t been answered, please answer them. Thanks!

    #1101681
    nebsrox
    Member

    I’m applying to sem this year but our mechanchos aren’t bringing it up yet bc our grades extremley competitive. they’re trying to minimize the comp. But meanwhile I need to know abt sems + can’t ask them so…

    I’m looking for a very very haskafick sem + easier on the work load

    Is bya + nachalas the same type?

    Are they the type I want?

    Is nachalas + tiferes the same type?

    Is it true that tiferes is yesivish?

    Oh and btw I’m from montreal + we have an amazing sem called bnos raizel

    #1101682
    nebsrox
    Member

    Could I be answered asap plz thanx so much

    #1101683

    BYA and Nachlas I think are pretty much the same type. BYA might have more of a good name (in shidduchim) being that its around for ages. Tiferes is more yeshivish or so they say.

    I went to BYA- I wouldnt say that it was easy on the workload but I guess compared to BJJ it was. But let me tell you there was still plenty of work. And they have great hashkafah classes there with excellent teachers.

    #1101684

    Yes Tiferes is Yeshivish, supposed to be like Hadar but with less work.

    #1101685
    Sacrilege
    Member

    Tiferes is Yeshivish but not academic.

    #1101686
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege and Pascha

    Which Seminaries would you say produce girls who have very good Hashkafos, (knowledgeable in Hashkafah not a mishmash of confusion no offense to anyone)

    Are frum (they live their Hashkafos, would not watch movies, listen to non Jewish music…but may have at some point in their lives) but are also worldy, normal and down to earth and not super yeshivish or “chinyuked?”

    Thanks

    #1101687

    WIY: Every seminary is perfect, but every girl is different. You will find such girls in every seminary, and every seminary has girls who don’t live up to standard.

    The fact is that SEMINARY DOES NOT “PRODUCE” A GIRL. 9 months cannot stand up to 18 years!

    If you ask, which seminary has girls who know meforshim, which seminary has girls who never listened to nonjewish music, which seminary has girls who love to daven… we can suggest based on stereotypes. But the above questions are too general.

    #1101688
    Sacrilege
    Member

    There is a mix in every seminary so narrowing it down to that can leave out a lot of great girls. That being said if you want a good girl who is with it not obsessed with finding the next Rosh Yeshiva for herself, doesnt think she has to be on par with the boys in Brisk, I’d say:

    Israel Seminaries Only:

    Seminar, Bnos Chava, BYA & Tiferes (this was after my days, but my sister looked into it)

    #1101689
    WIY
    Member

    Pascha

    I hear what you are saying. In your opinion (other than Tznius) how do you know a girl is frum and serious about her yiddishkiet and wants to grow?

    #1101690
    WIY
    Member

    Thanks Sacrilege

    Most of those girls are looking for Kollel guys no?

    #1101691
    Sacrilege
    Member

    Seems like most girls nowadays are, no?

    #1101692
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    Yeah I guess.

    #1101693

    WIY: That’s a really hard question and I honestly don’t know any answer. How do you know if someone has real Yiras Shamayim?

    #1101694
    WIY
    Member

    Pascha

    But how can a guy “sniff out” if a girl is for real or just goes through the motions?

    #1101695

    WIY: You said not to use tznius, but I do find that it is a strong correlate. However, even stronger is someone who will talk about her struggles with tznius.

    In a dating situation, if a girl brings up something that she is working on in herself, you know this is someone who cares if you see that reflected in her actions (as opposed to just trying to impress the other person with her frumness by not wearing a seatbelt or something.)

    Pirkei Avos says Ain Am Ha’Aretz Chassid – if she is aware of small halachos and follows them, I would say she is a Yarei Shamayim. Also if she has a set time every day that she studies Halacha and/or shmiras Halashon.

    Females of the CR – do you think this is correct?

    Thanks!

    #1101696
    Sacrilege
    Member

    First of all I think you have to daven for Siyata Dishmaya and then TRUST YOUR INSTINCTS THEY ARE YOUR GUIDE. Seriously, people doubt themselves too much, go with your gut and be confident with your decision.

    You can usually sniff out a faker, if you cant you probably need to do some adjustments.

    #1101697
    WIY
    Member

    Pascha

    I hear. That sounds like good advice. I like the daily learning bit, it certainly shows she cares to grow.

    Sacrilege

    Guys obviously have a harder time figuring girls out than girls do. Especially if she acts all frum on the date.

    Would the 2 of you say as a rule that girls try to come off frummer than they are on dates?

    #1101698

    I certainly don’t try to come off as frummer (not that it’s possible to get much frummer than me 1 yr ago!)

    I hear a lot that girls do this but personally have no idea how or why someone would.

    #1101699
    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    Funny that you would ask that question. In my early dating career, I was SO yeshivish back then, IDK if I tried to be frummer but I think I was also trying to prove to myself how frum I was. I remember I would bring up these out there concepts that I would NEVER discuss now…

    Either way, like I said before, you can usually sniff it out because even as Yeshivish as I was back then the guys always (ok, sometimes they came up with a diff excuse) said I was too “secular”, Ha! if they would only see me now!

    #1101700
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    Sometimes we think we are something that we aren’t but other people can see what we don’t. You may have thought you were Yeshivish but maybe you really weren’t or you were giving off a secular impression.

    Its strang how people get impressions of people that just aren’t who the person is. I know a guy who isn’t that Yeshivish but he looks more Yeshivish than he is and the girl said after too dates that he is “too” yeshivish which is funny because his impression of her is that she was too yeshivish and she was she dressed extremely plain, no makeup…from a very yeshivish Seminary.

    The question is what do we go by? What the person looks like or what the person says? But how do we know they are what they say?

    #1101701
    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    Oh believe me I was Yeshivish.

    Maybe just a little more open minded and knowledgeable than the normal fan base…. hence my self-exile.

    #1101702
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    Self exile? You went into Galus? I’m not sure what that means. Also what were the types of things you’d NEVER say now that you said then?

    #1101703
    phrum
    Member

    Sacrilege

    Maybe instead of “Yeshivish” you are “Yeshiv-ish”.

    I’m Yeshiv-ish, and Chassid-ish, and Litv-ish…

    One can tap into the kedusha of many derechs without be completely subsumed by them.

    As long as we are all Jewish, baruch HaShem!

    #1101704
    Ben Torah
    Participant

    Every day after a girl leaves the Beis Yaakov marks another step away from idealism, for the street and the office and the secular school have an unfailing effect which increases from day to day.

    #1101705
    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    Exile from the land of Yeshivish.

    “Also what were the types of things you’d NEVER say now that you said then?”

    I’m trying to maintain a shred of self-respect (if thats still possible) so no stories.

    Phrum

    Could be. Maybe they smelled out that I wasnt the real thing 😉

    #1101706
    WIY
    Member

    Sacrilege

    I hear. Well I don’t believe that someone needs to be any one thing Yeshivish, Chassidish….they all have pros and cons I’m personally happy being a mix of all of those. I take what I like from each and leave behind what I don’t. In fact my true philosophy is what the Torah says. I learn Halacha and Hashkafa seforim and I try to do my best based on that. Frankly I find that works best for me.

    I wasn’t asking for stories, just topics that you would discuss that you think you would NEVER discuss now. You don’t have to share if you don’t want to. Self respect is overrated 🙂

    #1101707
    phrum
    Member

    Sacrilege

    On the contrary, you seem like the real thing to me.

    #1101708
    Sacrilege
    Member

    WIY

    Well I guess I am just a little slow in that regard because thats my philosophy now (except I dont really see any Chassidish in me…) I guess it took me a while to figure out what I truly am.

    #1101709
    Sacrilege
    Member

    Phrum

    I thank you for that massive compliment, I can only try.

    #1101710
    phrum
    Member

    Sacrilege

    Trying is all the Aibisher asks of us, and HaShem knows that often that is hard enough. Keep trying and inspiring, know that in the cr on ywn you succeed, and may HaShem bless you on your journey.

    #1101711
    Sacrilege
    Member

    Wow…

    Amen & Thanks!

    #1101712
    potpie
    Member

    ConfusedTatty, how does your daughter like Machon Raaya? How are the girls, work, etc.?

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