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  • #1270359

    shtusim
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    I don’t understand the original question. After all, there is a WATCH MAN …

    #1270528

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Why does she have to participate?
    The reason why Yichud with 2 women is assur even though it’s muttar with 2 men is because women are cooperative and men are competitive, so the women won’t tell on each other. Even though the other women is married and is afraid of her husband, there’s no reason why that would lead to her telling on the other woman, so why should it be okay for the other woman?

    #1270589

    catch yourself
    Participant

    I don’t think it’s about who is going to snitch on whom.
    The presence of someone who will not get involved in any inappropriate behavior serves as a natural restraint on those who otherwise may have done so.

    #1270835

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    That is how I always learned it or understood it. Otherwise, why is that 2 women and 1 man is assur but 2 men and 1 woman is not?

    #1270850

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Because נשים דעתן קלות.

    #1270856

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I don’t think it’s about who is going to snitch on whom.
    The presence of someone who will not get involved in any inappropriate behavior serves as a natural restraint on those who otherwise may have done so.

    Correct. See רש”י in the משנה in :קדושין פ.

    #1270863

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    isn’t it דעתיהן?

    #1270866

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    No

    #1270871

    Joseph
    Participant

    The girls schools usually omit teaching in depth about נשים דעתן קלות.

    #1270887

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    oh, I always thought it was. Thanks for educating me!

    #1271443

    Lightbrite
    Participant

    I’m alone with a mango!

    Does a dog break the yichud? If not then this is so assur! 😉

    #1271553

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    that’s not true. We learned about it. We even learned the story with Bruriah in 7th or 8th grade. A Rav I know was shocked when I told him that.

    #1271630

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    So why don’t (didn’t?) you understand the difference between two women with one man vs. two men with one woman?

    #1271666

    Joseph
    Participant

    The Rav was shocked because it is unusual for girls to be taught it in depth, despite your exceptional experience.

    #1271665

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Because that’s not the reason that I learned. You might be right – I had just never learned that that was the reason. I learned that it was something else.

    #1271685

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Hmmm… maybe because Joseph is right?

    #1271734

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    The grandfather one was funnier. Or else the humor is getting overused.
    And then there will be those who will take you seriously and start ranting about unnecessary chumros, and how this does not reflect Yiddishkeit, etc etc.

    #1271755

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    I didn’t learn it b’nogeah to hilchos Yichud. I will have to look that up when I have a chance. But we did learn about the concept.

    In any case, I don’t understand something. Even if נשים דעתן קלות, wouldn’t that be counteracted by the fact that men have a bigger yetzer hara? And what about the fact that there are more boys at-risk than girls?

    And I don’t see what the Bruriah story proves since there was also a man involved.

    #1271754

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Or else the humor is getting overused.”
    maskim.

    “And then there will be those who will take you seriously and start ranting about unnecessary chumros, and how this does not reflect Yiddishkeit, etc etc.”

    +1 : )

    #1271762

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    I didn’t learn it b’nogeah to hilchos Yichud.

    Perhaps because Joseph is right.

    #1271765

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    And I don’t see what the Bruriah story proves since there was also a man involved.

    He convinced her, not the other way around, and he was merely testing her.

    #1271795

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    I thought they were oiver in the end. That was not how I learned it in 7th grade. Then I learned that they weren’t – that he was just testing her. But the Rav who was shocked said that they were oiver.

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