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I don’t understand the original question. After all, there is a WATCH MAN …
Why does she have to participate?
The reason why Yichud with 2 women is assur even though it’s muttar with 2 men is because women are cooperative and men are competitive, so the women won’t tell on each other. Even though the other women is married and is afraid of her husband, there’s no reason why that would lead to her telling on the other woman, so why should it be okay for the other woman?I don’t think it’s about who is going to snitch on whom.
The presence of someone who will not get involved in any inappropriate behavior serves as a natural restraint on those who otherwise may have done so.That is how I always learned it or understood it. Otherwise, why is that 2 women and 1 man is assur but 2 men and 1 woman is not?
Because נשים דעתן קלות.
I don’t think it’s about who is going to snitch on whom.
The presence of someone who will not get involved in any inappropriate behavior serves as a natural restraint on those who otherwise may have done so.Correct. See רש”י in the משנה in :קדושין פ.
isn’t it דעתיהן?
No
The girls schools usually omit teaching in depth about נשים דעתן קלות.
oh, I always thought it was. Thanks for educating me!
that’s not true. We learned about it. We even learned the story with Bruriah in 7th or 8th grade. A Rav I know was shocked when I told him that.
So why don’t (didn’t?) you understand the difference between two women with one man vs. two men with one woman?
The Rav was shocked because it is unusual for girls to be taught it in depth, despite your exceptional experience.
Because that’s not the reason that I learned. You might be right – I had just never learned that that was the reason. I learned that it was something else.
Hmmm… maybe because Joseph is right?
The grandfather one was funnier. Or else the humor is getting overused.
And then there will be those who will take you seriously and start ranting about unnecessary chumros, and how this does not reflect Yiddishkeit, etc etc.I didn’t learn it b’nogeah to hilchos Yichud. I will have to look that up when I have a chance. But we did learn about the concept.
In any case, I don’t understand something. Even if נשים דעתן קלות, wouldn’t that be counteracted by the fact that men have a bigger yetzer hara? And what about the fact that there are more boys at-risk than girls?
And I don’t see what the Bruriah story proves since there was also a man involved.
“Or else the humor is getting overused.”
maskim.“And then there will be those who will take you seriously and start ranting about unnecessary chumros, and how this does not reflect Yiddishkeit, etc etc.”
+1 : )
I didn’t learn it b’nogeah to hilchos Yichud.
Perhaps because Joseph is right.
And I don’t see what the Bruriah story proves since there was also a man involved.
He convinced her, not the other way around, and he was merely testing her.
I thought they were oiver in the end. That was not how I learned it in 7th grade. Then I learned that they weren’t – that he was just testing her. But the Rav who was shocked said that they were oiver.
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