May 23, 2010 5:33 pm at 5:33 pm #591689Aishes ChayilParticipant
Did anyone here anything about this? I heard Reb Yaakov Emden points it out and is specific about Iceland.
Can anyone please elaborate?May 23, 2010 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #685822Y.W. EditorKeymaster
Sefer Migdal Oiz from Reb Yaakov Emdin.
Bottom of column 1 on page 278.May 23, 2010 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #685823chesednameParticipant
what does it say?May 23, 2010 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #685824bombmaniacParticipant
ill let you jump in and see for all of us if it is 😀May 23, 2010 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm #685825goody613Member
it says that some sharei gehenom are volcanoes like in iceland. They had something called mesechta gehennomMay 24, 2010 1:18 am at 1:18 am #685826HIEParticipant
The sharrei gehenim are IN the core of the earth where there is lava over there, so it comes out every once in a while and yes indeed, VOLCANOES are the sharrei gehenimMay 24, 2010 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #685827
The sharrei gehenim are IN the core of the earth
Why would a spiritual place like Gehenom need a physical gate?
The WolfMay 24, 2010 8:23 pm at 8:23 pm #685828YW Moderator-80Member
Why would anything spiritual need a physical counterpart?
The Gemorah is full of references to the physical counterparts of Gehinnom. Smoking graves of reshoim. Chochomim who searched for the entrance to Gan Eden. Korach and his sons, why did they descend into the earth? Why could their voices be heard coming from underground in that particular physical location for generations after?
Good question. I don’t know why.May 24, 2010 8:57 pm at 8:57 pm #685829
Smoking graves of reshoim.
Korach and his sons, why did they descend into the earth? Why could their voices be heard coming from underground in that particular physical location for generations after?
Those are clearly miraculous events and were not a part of the “everyday” world as volcanoes are.
Chochomim who searched for the entrance to Gan Eden.
Do you know that they searched for a *physical* entrance?
And even if the answer is yes, it could be argued that since the Torah depicts Gan Eden as a physical place (even if it is no longer so), there is basis for that. One cannot say the same for gehenom.
The WolfMay 24, 2010 9:14 pm at 9:14 pm #685830emoticon613Member
why not?May 24, 2010 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #685831
In any event, I explained it above. Gan Eden was described as a physical place on this earth (even if it is no longer so). Gehenom, to my understand, is not*.
* But hey, I could be wrong. Lord knows I’m wrong often enough.May 25, 2010 12:34 am at 12:34 am #685832smartcookieMember
WOLF- I would think Hashem is trying to send us a mssge. So He shows us the spiritual things in a physical manner so we realize how true true it is.May 25, 2010 1:06 am at 1:06 am #685833HIEParticipant
when a volcano erupts it is coming from the core of the earth, the gehenim’s are “smoking”May 25, 2010 1:08 am at 1:08 am #685834gradaMember
I agree with you and I’d like to add another thing. We ourselves are just the physical counterparts of our spiritual neshamos.May 25, 2010 1:16 am at 1:16 am #685835
WOLF- I would think Hashem is trying to send us a mssge. So He shows us the spiritual things in a physical manner so we realize how true true it is.
I don’t have a problem with that concept. But that’s a far cry from saying that volcanoes are the literal gates to hell.
The WolfMay 25, 2010 1:39 am at 1:39 am #685836moishyParticipant
I heard about thisJune 3, 2010 12:38 am at 12:38 am #685838mosheroseMember
It should be so obvious that volcanos are the shaarei gehenim. Only a fool would say not.June 3, 2010 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #685839squeakParticipant
Where does the idea that Gehinnom is a “hot” place come from? The only source I know of is a Christian one (i.e. fire and brimstone, etc). Our ideas are much different (unless someone can provide an authoritative source to the contrary). If anything is a hot place, it is Olam Habah, as follows:
The temperature of heaven can be accurately computed. The authority is Sefer Yeshaya (Perek 30 Passuk 26) which says, “Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold as the light of seven days”.
Thus, heaven receives from the moon as much radiation as the earth does from the sun, and in addition seven times as much as the earth does from the sun, or eight times in all.
With this data we can compute the temperature of heaven. The radiation falling on heaven will heat it to the point where the heat lost by radiation is just equal to the heat received by radiation. In other words, heaven loses eight times as much heat as the earth by radiation. Using the Stefan-Boltzmann fourth power law for radiation:
(H/E)^4 = 8June 3, 2010 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm #685840Trying my bestMember
?’ ????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?’ ?? ?????
Isn’t “????? ???” brimstone and fire? The term is a Jewish one.June 3, 2010 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #685841SJSinNYCMember
Squeak, you are awesome!June 3, 2010 7:28 pm at 7:28 pm #685842
< humor >
Of course, the question really depends on whether or not hell is exothermic or endothermic. I won’t link to it, but do a Google search for the answer to the question. 🙂 < /humor >
The WolfJune 3, 2010 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #685843
Isn’t “????? ???” fire and brimstone? The term is a Jewish one.
Yes, but the association of “fire and brimstone” with hell is not necessarily a Jewish concept. Sodom’s fire did not necessarily come from hell (on the contrary, I would think it came from heaven. The pasuk explicitly says ?? ????? 🙂 )
The WolfJune 3, 2010 7:38 pm at 7:38 pm #685844squeakParticipant
SJS, thanks – but I didn’t come up with it. I’d suggest that you could thank H T Wensel, but I’m sure that wherever he is now it is very, very hot 🙂 🙂 🙂June 3, 2010 7:41 pm at 7:41 pm #685845SJSinNYCMember
HAHA! I’ll look him up. I’ve heard the exothermic/endothermic example but “yours” was a new one.
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