September 12, 2011 4:44 am at 4:44 am #599323rebaMember
Is this a chiyuv. I know there is a segulah attached but I can’t remember what it is.September 12, 2011 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #1090506Sam2Participant
The Shulchan Aruch says that you have to wash before walking 4 Amos. The later Poskim (I believe it’s one of the first Simanim in the Chelkat Ya’akov, but I could be mistaken about what he says; saw it a while ago) discuss reasons why nowadays people don’t do it immediately and why that might be ok.September 12, 2011 4:01 pm at 4:01 pm #1090507old manParticipant
In Europe, people were very makpid to have water and a basin next to the bed.September 12, 2011 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #1090508TumsMember
old man: In America and Eretz Yisroel people are also very makpid to have water and a basin next to the bed.September 12, 2011 4:49 pm at 4:49 pm #1090509em0616Member
It is said from the Vilna Gaon, that after the Ger Tzedek, Avraham ben Avraham zt”l was martyred in Vilna in 1749, that the spiritual constitution of the world has become altered in such a way that a Jew was no longer bound to wash his hands in te morning within 4 amos of his bed. Rather, the entire house would be considered as 4 amos for this regard. This is why most non-chasidic ashkenazi Jews follow this custom now.September 12, 2011 5:21 pm at 5:21 pm #1090510a maminParticipant
So are the Chasidim here!!September 12, 2011 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #1090511NechomahParticipant
em0616 – do you have a mekor for that?September 12, 2011 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #1090512rebaMember
Right – em0616 – that is what I heard. But I also heard of someone who was very sick and they were told to washing negel vasser before putting their feet on the floor so that they would have a refuah shleima.September 12, 2011 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #1090513TumsMember
em0616: Source, please?September 12, 2011 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm #1090514HaLeiViParticipant
Those who consider the whole house as Daled Amos only quote the Shita of Rebbi Shimon ben Elozor who said that a room is like Daled Amos — by a Meis.
The Daled Amos comes from a Zohar Hakadosh that the Beis Yosef quotes. Otherwise the basic Halacha would require that you wash your hands before Davening.July 5, 2015 8:49 pm at 8:49 pm #1090515mik5Participant
By Chabad Chassidim, it is accustomed to be very strict with washing negel vasser before getting out of bed, and before putting one’s feet on the floor (unless one was sleeping in a bunk bed, in which case, if necessary, one may climb down before washing).
However, in other circles people are accustomed to be lenient, because the whole room is like daled amos (it is prohibited to learn Torah within 4 amos of a meis, and even outside his 4 amos it’s prohibited in the entire room – so we learn out from here that the whole room is like 4 amos).
If people will be woken up as a result of washing negel vasser by the bed, there is additional room for leniency, if there is a real need to be lenient.
@Nechomah – See Halichos Shlomo;Tefilah;Perek 20, Orchos halacha footnote 49) for the story with the Ger Tzedek, may the Almighty avenge his blood. HaRav Shlomo Zalmen Auerbach zt”l said this over in the name of the saintly Gaon of Vilna.July 6, 2015 7:44 am at 7:44 am #1090516ExcellenceParticipant
What the Vilna Gaon said quoted above is amazing! I must think on this further…
In the book A Path for Life, a collection of wisdom from many Chassidic Rebbeim, it said not to let your legs touch the ground before netilat or impurity will follow you around the rest of the day.
It’s tricky, but do-able.
That’s right. Do-able. It’s a semi-legitimate word.
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