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of a toddler finding & eating a pretzel(s) on Pesach?
I know someone who years later is still traumatized making Pesach…the mother can’t forgive herself, despite feeling that she had cleaned meticulously at that time.
Also, does anyone have any advice what I can say to her to help her now? She doesn’t feel she can rely on herself making Pesach anymore.
There are no ramifications. Nothing.
The mother should seek professional help.
@popa_bar_abba: Amen, bro, amen.
if she is cleaning herself, let her seek some cleaning help.
and if she does have help, then let start the cleaning a little closer to pesach, and not bring in chometz in the house. and third, if we (as the wives)know that we cleaned very well, then we did our parts, and the rest (if such a thing happens) is not our (the wives) fault, you take it away from the kid and you put in the outside garbage cans.
The tikun for her chometz negligence and to prevent chas v’shalom a recurrence, the mother should be m’kabel upon herself to wash all the windows and walls of her home every Pesach and to have in mind that that the cleaning should also act to cleanse her of the pretzel oversight. May she always have a wonderful and delightful Pesach.
I know someone who years later is still traumatized making Pesach…the mother can’t forgive herself, despite feeling that she had cleaned meticulously at that time.
None. The child is obviously not responsible. If the parents thought they did a good job of cleaning but somehow missed this one piece by accident, then, at worst, it’s a shogeg.
If you find chometz on Pesach*, you have to burn it**. Period, end of story. No other halachic consequences.
She said that she was told she gets kares, that the parents r responsible for the child eating chometz.
Whoever told her that was a fool. You get kares for *intentionally* eating chometz on Pesach. Did the person think that she deliberately handed her kid a pretzel?
And, even if, for whatever reason, you want to say that she does get kares, it sounds to me like she’s already done teshuva — she confessed her sin, she has regret for it happening and she’s resolved not to let it happen again.
The Wolf
* Assuming, of course, that it’s an accident and that you didn’t intentionally keep chometz over Pesach.
** Keep in mind that if you find it on Yom Tov or Shabbos, it is muktza and must be covered over until after YT/Shabbos and then burnt.
p.s. there was no pretzels left to burn or cover; the kid ate it all apparently…
Then my point about burning doesn’t apply. The rest of it does. She’s, at worst, a shogeg, so there’s no kares and, from your description, it sounds like she did teshuva since then.
FWIW, I’d say she’s in the clear.
The Wolf
A todler is alowed to eat chametz, so is a child that is below the age of chinuch, aldough we are not alowed to give them chametz because then WE have ???? from the chametz.
“A todler is alowed to eat chametz”
Yes, but do you have any idea what eating chometz did to the n’shama of this future Gadol B’Yisroel?
Yes, but do you have any idea what eating chometz did to the n’shama of this future Gadol B’Yisroel?
Do you know what it did? Do you know that it did anything?
The Wolf
Cherry
Who says is did anything? Perhaps the future Gadol B’yisroel can only become the Gadol by accidently eating the chametz and being traumatized for life over it and committing strongly to halacha?
Who are we to decide?? things happen in life. Move on and learn from it – dont beat youself up over it.
Why does everyone take my posts in this thread so seriously? Es tu, Wolf?
et tu
“Yes, but do you have any idea what eating chometz did to the n’shama of this future Gadol B’Yisroel?”
only ?????? ????? cause ?????? ??? not food that you cant eat NOW.
walton- the word BRO is strictly forbidden on this website!!!!!
Why does everyone take my posts in this thread so seriously? Es tu, Wolf?
Because I had no reason to not believe it. You gave absolutely no indication that you weren’t serious.
Check out the Wikipedia article “Poe’s Law.”
The Wolf
“The tikun for her chometz negligence and to prevent chas v’shalom a recurrence, the mother should be m’kabel upon herself to wash all the windows and walls of her home every Pesach and to have in mind that that the cleaning should also act to cleanse her of the pretzel oversight. May she always have a wonderful and delightful Pesach.”
Wolf, what did you think about my tikun suggestion; did I need to indicate that I wasn’t serious?
“and she doesn’t want to develop OCD!”
I’m afraid it’s too late for that…she can’t get over the fact that her kid ate chametz years ago!! Seriously?! She did nothing wrong, her kid did nothing wrong, what exactly does she feel guilty about? Did someone really tell her she’s chayav kares? I have never heard something so ridiculous in my life, and I’m not using that loosely. The yetzer hara always tries to get us to focus on things like this, so we don’t actually work on ourselves in places that we actually do need work.
am yisrael chai:
Maybe you can email her a link to this thread?
If nothing else, this shows the dedication that the klal has for mitzvos. May we all get chizuk.
Of course, the mother has nothing to worry about.
What is the halocha on eating chometz DURING THE YEAR, that was possibly not sold over Pesach?
Is it halachically ‘inedible’?
Thanks
What is the halocha on eating chometz DURING THE YEAR, that was possibly not sold over Pesach?
Is it halachically ‘inedible’?
Chametz that was in the possession of a Jew over Pesach may not be consumed after Pesach.
The Wolf
And if it WAS eaten?
BTW, how do you italicise?
Thanks
And if it WAS eaten?
Then you have to rush down to the hospital and have surgeons remove it from your stomach.
OK, no… I’m not serious. Don’t do that. If you did it, then so what? If it was an accident, then you are at worst a shogeg and probably an oneis. If you did it purposely, then you need to do teshuva. That’s all.
BTW, how do you italicise?
Use the “em” tag.
For example:
< em > Your italicized text < /em >
Just remove the spaces in the brackets and the text will be italicized.
The Wolf
What is the halocha on eating chometz DURING THE YEAR, that was possibly not sold over Pesach?
Is it halachically ‘inedible’?
I’m not a Rov, but you said the word “possibly”, i.e. a Safek. Since Chametz after Pesach is a Drabbonon, we would apply Safek D’Rabbonon L’Kula. Furthermore, if it was not you yourself who owned the Chometz over Pesach, or if you did Bitul, there is further room to be Maikel, as there are many Rishonim who hold that The Gezairah of R’ Shimon doesn’t apply.
Ask your LOR for actual Halacha.
why does em mean italics
Do teshuva and Move On With Life.
I once ate traif as a kid, and my father freaked out when he found out. About 10 years later, my father reminded me of it, and it still hurt.
Now 30+ years later, I have moved on.
Guilt will kill you if you let it.
Be careful, but live a normal life.
why does em mean italics
It doesn’t. I believe it stands for “emphasis.”
The Wolf
She should have boiled the toddler’s mouth or done libun. 😉
Really, a baby is a baby, there is no aveira. The mom should learn from this and possibly refrain from having that type of chometz around for a couple of weeks BEFORE Pesach. I used to buy only Pesachdig nosh (just a little bit) for my kids the week before, so they did not bring additional chometz into the house. So if I found a cookie crumb, it was a non-gebrochts cookie (no matzoh or its derivatived prior to the Sedarim, after Purim), and I didn’t have to worry.
BTW, people who really are being sarcastic or mean to be funny (in their opinion), shouls use the 😉 symbol after what they write, to show it is meant in fun. That would go a long way to help prevent the situation when someone feels insulted where no insult was meant.
Thanks Wolf, I’ll test it out now 🙂
Guilt will kill you if you let it. Be careful, but live a normal life.
Well, I spose there really is nothing to do but keep living. Here’s what happened: some friends and I found some nosh in school (dw, ’twas hefker) and ate it, but only realised after that they must’ve been from before pesach (we checked the expiry date) and most likely was not sold… Whoops. Better be careful next time!
Most rabbonim sell ALL the chometz in one’s home.
BasYisroel94 — If the Chometz was hefker, then it was not owned by a Jew, so what is the problem? (I’m not sure, but I actually think that there are some opinions that hefker items may be better than mechira.) Unless it was owned by a Jew on Pesach, and then made hefker after Pesach?
am yisroel chai — Let her speak to ANY Rav she chooses and ask. I am confident there is no one who will tell her that she gets Kares, and she can relax. If speaking to a Rav doesn’t help, and she is still obsessing about this after a number of years, perhaps this is a psychological problem rather than a religious problem, and she should consider seeking professional help.
there are no ramifications, get over it
BTW, people who really are being sarcastic or mean to be funny (in their opinion), shouls use the 😉 symbol after what they write, to show it is meant in fun.
I didn’t use a smiley, but I did immediately follow it up with a sentence indicating that I wasn’t being serious.
The Wolf
Interestingly, some poskim say that today we should not burn chometz found on Pesach, as we write in the sale “and all chometz found in my reshus” – we would be stealing from the goy!
hey<e/m>
Just testing the italics.
Put < em > text </ em >
but without the spaces.
Hum… It works. But why did the e/m stay there?
Interestingly, some poskim say that today we should not burn chometz found on Pesach, as we write in the sale “and all chometz found in my reshus” – we would be stealing from the goy!
I think all poskim say that.
It is quite unfortunate that kids learn otherwise in school, from ignorants.
So where does the idea of burning chometz found during yom tov come from? Such a widespread concept cannot come from nowhere legit.
It comes from the shulchan aruch, before that from some rishon probably, and before that from the gemara.
And it isn’t talking about a case where you sold all your chometz including any that is lying around.
There are those who argue.
One possible reason is that since many are not nohaig to sell real chometz, you clearly did mean to include it in your sale.
Nobody argues. There are no possible reasons, and that one is not true. The reason is that
(a) devarim sh’beleiv einum devarim. The buyer has a right to all that stuff, and is not supposed to know whether you have a preference towards not selling real chametz.
(b) the presumption is absurd, since nobody would rather be oiver on baal yera’e baal yimatzei than sell real chometz.
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